Thinkpad Edge considered as Non-Thinkpad on Thinkpads.com forum

See what I mean by scrolling down to the "Non-Thinkpad Lenovo notebooks" system:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/

What a joke. Lenovo makes a big mistake in calling the Edge a Thinkpad. It spits in the face everything a Thinkpad stands for.

 

I don't know that I'd agree with that statement. It's a much different world than when ThinkPads were first released almost two decades ago. People run their websites of their netbooks. People are much more mobile than they were, which is what they wanted even back then. As much as you I think you lament the loss of quality, people want more mobility and to pay less. For every thread about how ThinkPads are declining in quality, there's at least 10 looking for the best deals and coupons. If you keep producing the same $2k notebooks, no one's going to buy them because they aver price for a notebook these days is $700. Secondly you haven't even seen one, so I don't know how you could possibly come to that conclusion. Plus they've got a lot of things that a typical netbook/laptop don't like business support and the ThinkVantage tools to name a couple.

 

I think most of my complain is not about cut-costing measures (even though they are important to certain extent) but rather about how a laptop with so many features that are different from the traditional thinkpad image can be called a thinkpad (glossy lid, glossy screen, glowing red dot, chiclet keyboard, etc...)
Anyway, just my opinion. I'm curious to hear what others think as well.

 

Am with Zephir ... the only reason I have a Thinkpad is because of Keyboard (T61) and the matte screen though the quality of the screen is not that great at all I absolutely loathe a glossy screen and fingerprint magnet shiny outer shells ... makes it look very cheap. The Thinkpad X100e yes I am interested in since it has what I need, the matte screen etc. The keyboard I think I will be Ok with since I have used a MAC keyboard and I am fine with it. Then again I do think they could have made the same machine with the traditional keyboard on it. I will have to test it to really have an opinion on it. And with an AMD chip a bit concerned about heat etc ... all remains to be seen. I would be interested in the Edge if it were matte screen matte finish etc ... traditional Thinkpad like.

 

Thinkpad Edge is for people whom wants a thinkpad but can't stand the black and square format of the traditional thinkpad.

 

I read somewhere that the Edge still has a good keyboard, and better quality than the average consumer notebook, but not as good as traditional Thinkpads. It's a half-Thinkpad

 

Ponderpad...hahaha!!!

 

I like ThinkEdge.

 

So the T400/T410 are square screens? How does that look with movies and games?

 

As long as guys at Lenovo remember what makes the traditional Thinkpad great, I think it is ok to play around and tweak around. It's ok to despise the Edge, but I think it is stupid and close-minded to say it is not Thinkpad because it does not fit their definition of Thinkpad.

At the end, although we agree that Thinkpad is a great notebook, there is a reason IBM decided to sell, and it is not the most popular (or money making) brand among the notebooks.

 

Both the T400 and T410 are 16:10 (vs. 16:9) widescreen.

Most newer games support 16:10 natively (older ones only support 4:3). Movies usually have a slight to severe border above and below depending on the aspect ratio (1.78, 1.85, 2.20, 2.39, etc.). Older movies (pre-1960) and TV will have a moderate border on the left and right.

 

It's not by any means a Thinkpad, Lenovo is exploiting the remaining reputation of TP to get some extra cash.

It's like having Ferrari manufacture a budget/crappy car that anyone can buy for $10.000. Yeah it will sell in the beginning, but in the end the brand itself means nothing.

If they keep adding crappy models to the TP series, they will eventually wear out the reputation the brand has.

Just tell me, why they couldnt add Edge to the IdeaPad series? It has more features in common with them than TP, but IdeaPads have no reputation. (personally I think if they have any, that's negative and not positive)

 

There is one reason the edge is in the thinkpad series:
1. Money

A cheap 13" laptop with the popular thinkpad name on it is something that a lot of people are going to want to buy.

 

I'm curious as to what the reasoning was to put the Edge in the non-ThinkPad section over at TP.com?

The X100e is the much more compelling of the two. I wish they would have saw to it to put the the dual core Neos in there, even if it costs more, which I am sure it would.

 

Because that's where I think it belongs - lipstick on a pig and all that. I may eventually move it, but for now, I think it's in the right category.

 

I seem to recall a lot of people wishing for a 13 inch Thinkpad on these forums. Hence they released the SL 13 and now the much improved Edge

 

hey, what can you say, times are a changin'.

I would bet that many people on that forum wouldn't consider any new Thinkpad to be a real Thinkpad too.

I would say the Edge looks decent, better than most consumer laptops in quality, but not up to snuff like (most) other Thinkpads. I think the Ideapad brand would be better for the Edge and the X100e, but I don't care too much.

 

at this rate things are going the Thinkpad name will soon be just like Studio, Pavillion, or dare i say it Aspire.

if Lenovo wants to make a plastic black mac clone, put it under a different name.

well the Elitebook is getting better and better every iteration.

 

the lenovo Edge, LEdge..., because ThinkPads are on the ledge of becoming ...

 

The X300/X301 is also a 13" laptop, but no one can bash it for not being "true" Thinkpad like they can for the SL300 and X100e.

 

But the x301 starts at $1900, the edge starts at about $500 - of course they aren't in the same league

 

Exactly. Anyone who is still asking for a 13" Thinkpad should learn to accept that quality comes at a price.

For value, look at the X100e (or a used SL300). For durability, look at the X301.

For something in between the two, you'll just have to make due with a 14" Thinkpad.

 

There are many people in all corners of the ThinkPad community who don't consider any new ThinkPad to be a real ThinkPad or any ThinkPad since the sale to Lenovo to be a real ThinkPad. However, TPF does not have a higher percentage of those people. Most of us can appreciate a quality piece of hardware as much as any NBR forum member - just look at the models represented in our sigs.

This discussion, however, is about the Edge.

 

" Anyone who is still asking for a 13" Thinkpad should learn to accept that quality comes at a price."

"As long as guys at Lenovo remember what makes the traditional Thinkpad great, I think it is ok to play around and tweak around. It's ok to despise the Edge, but I think it is stupid and close-minded to say it is not Thinkpad because it does not fit their definition of Thinkpad."

" If you keep producing the same $2k notebooks, no one's going to buy them because they aver price for a notebook these days is $700"

I would. I don't like the cut in quality that, in a capitalistic society, comes with a cut in price. When I came to thinkpad I was looking for a good computer and the price was secondary. Well the Thinkpad has dropped in price and quality as a result. I don't care HOW much it costs, I want a good computer.

Renee

 

"Not even we think it deserves to carry the name ThinkPad." Funny.

 

and some socialist country produced Lada..... and some capitalist country produced Cadillac... high quality usually equals high price, so if people want something cheaper than what can be profitably produced, then they will have to live with lower quality products.

 

Well IMHO they should have at least offered a matte screen option ... I really cannot understand how working people can function with a mirror glossy screen. Maybe for all those who sit at home and watch movies all day OK, but for those of us in offices and on the go in general ... PLEASE Lenovo stick to matte ... just afraid that 1 year or 2 from now we all have mirrors on our laptops !

 

Thinkpads.com is a privately run site unaffiliated to IBM/Lenovo.

 

Oh crap, got me. For a second I had forums.lenovo.com in mind.

 

Glad you made that judgement Jane

 

Soon we’ll have official ThinkPad key chains! And ThinkPad pens! It seems you can almost slap the ThinkPad badge on anything these days!

 

Lenovo has decided to have a lot of product lines to cater to specific needs/wants/prices. The Edge is a bit of enigma, but I bet its durability is "worthy" of the Thinkpad moniker. Sadly it comes up short on other parts of the checklist, which has ticked a lot of people off.

Hahahaha Now that maybe true.