Thinkpad P1 is announced

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P1/p/22WS2WPP101

 

I'm very interested in the cooling design - this is a potential XPS killer

 

You mean Dell Precision 5530 killer?

It doesn't compete in same class as Dell XPS because the P1 will start at $2000 + has Quadro graphics (probably $3000 or more for a model with Quadro P2000). It will be more competitive if you have discount codes.

Note the precision 5530 starts at $1500; and you can get one with Quadro P2000 for about $1700. Lenovo will likely match pricing after a few months. They like to do an initial cash grab with their pricing.

 

I love the specs, but cooling will be key. Can't wait to hear the first hands-on reviews. That said, it hits the sweet spot for me like no other: 15" screen, < 4lbs, discrete GPU, min 32GB ram. Wow, I thought that was a pipe dream.

 

I just wish they could have stuffed more battery in there. They're down a good 17wHr compared to the Precision 55x0/XPS 15. And I'd love to see a non-touch version of the 4K panel, since I'd be paranoid about them shipping some semi-glossy or film-covered thing with compromised quality in one measurement or another. You can't say that just because it is expensive that they will not throw you an utterly crap screen--remembering the X300/X301 nightmare fuel, a contrast ratio barely breaking 100:1 in the worst cases.

And yes, it will be very interesting to see what they did with the cooling system, given their track record of very strangely-engineered thin-and-light 15" machines from the W550s onward (or perhaps even older,) where the CPU and GPU are more than halfway across the system compared to the exhaust. Hopefully they're following something akin to every other hinge-exhausting 15" powerhouse out there with the components centered between a pair of large fans, with a short travel for the heat to go to the fins.

edit: Final potential issue I'm guessing may be with the trackpoint. I haven't had too much hands-on time with the later incarnations of the T460s and onward, but if I recall correctly a common complaint with the even-thinner systems now is the trackpoints are very stiff and unwieldy, compared to the thicker systems.

 

This looks like a Macbook pro killer for sure! great job Lenovo!

 

PCM has listings of some models and prices, and most interestingly, they list an i5 8400H as being an option. That CPU looks to basically be last year's i7, being a quad-core with hyperthreading. If you're not getting one of these machines for CPU alone, would definitely be a nice option to reduce heat and power consumption.

http://www.pcm.com/s?rch=&q=thinkpad+p1&pr=1264-9500&sb=asc

edit: This site seems to have more specs in their listings, http://www.shopblt.com/mfgs/LENOVO.html but you need to search for "ThinkPad P1" on the list.

 

I really don't need another laptop, but this is exactly what I have been hoping for. I will be interested to see the pricing.

 

Lenovo Solution Centre has the pre-built SKUs listed with all specs now:

http://www.lenovosolutionscentre.com/usa/portfolio/system/thinkpad/compare

Need to search for 20MD--the model itself does not show on the dropdown to narrow your search result, but on this listing of all models in the database it has them. Nothing new save for being able to place the exact specs with the prices of the pre-built models.


Edit: Some models are available to order direct from Lenovo now: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P1/p/22WS2WPP101 Why they have only Windows 10 Home is beyond me...

 

I see the Xeon pre-order model listed with Windows Pro Workstation.

I have one question about memory. Reading the specs I see "Up to 32 GB DDR4 2666 MHz (Supports up to 64 GB)".
What does it mean? Will they sell models with a maximum RAM of 32GB and one has to buy another 32 GB stick aftermarket?

 

I have a 6th gen X1 carbon that has one side vent with a 15W chip and it gets hot, loud and throttles even during basic productivity (outlook, excel, word, PDF, multiple chrome tabs open).

I truly hope they put some serious thought into the cooling solution of the P1 as it has a 45W chip and discrete graphics.

With that said, I reviewed the Lenovo product page and I can't find any exhaust vents. None on the sides or rear...

 

Active Cooling is though the back hinge like a macbook pro according to service manual images. Notice the service manual also calls it the "X1 extreme". possibly another SKU with consumer GTX graphics

https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p1_x1_extreme_hmm_en.pdf

 

No, they will sell 2x16 configs but 2x32 will be functional

 

Great find.

Can't wait for it to be released and see how it does thermally. Based on the manual, it'll have 2 heat pipes and 2 fans. I hope that's enough for the 45W chip and dGPU.

 

Another article here that describes some of the changes made to help cool the laptop. Also contains some good pictures.

 

And a new product video. Shows the expanded grills on the bottom, and what looks like a camera shutter so you can block the camera.



Interesting choice to have a touch display - I wonder if it will have a digitizer.

 

Yes, according to the user guide, it will.

 

Very interested in seeing how the graphics perform and how well the system deals with heat. It appears, according to this graphics driver package linked second from the bottom (P1/X1 Extreme) that the options are confirmed to be:

• NVIDIA Quadro P1000
• NVIDIA Quadro P2000 with Max-Q Design
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with Max-Q Design

Most interesting is that the P2000 is also given the Max-Q moniker, something the nVidia product specs don't refer to. Given that some Notebookcheck reviews of the 1050 Ti with Max-Q put the GPU power consumption between 40-46 watts, and nvidia's quoted TDP for the P1000 is 40 watts, it may put the P1000 in a very awkward spot of being nothing more than a cheaper option if you can get up to 50% better performance while consuming the same or similar amounts of power on the better cards, instead of leaving the P1000 as the definitively cooler-running-longer-lasting option for mobile work and games, as I hoped it would be. That said, nvidia quotes the P2000 (without max-q name) at 50 watts, according to the PDF below from their site.

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/...THINKPAD-P1-TYPE-20MD-20ME/downloads/DS504901

https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/.../quadro-mobile-line-card-n18-11x8.5-r4-hr.pdf

Basically I'm pondering if I should cancel my pre-order of the P1000/FHD SKU and wait for the ability to order a P2000 with FHD screen. I have no need for the 4K screen or touch, as I'm trying to get this machine to replace a P50s, and I still want to have as much battery life as possible.

 

Does xps 15 also have two heat pipes and 2 fans? It throttles a lot. Can tell P1 until first review comes out.

 

Yes, appears to essentially be the same design, as evidenced from this 2018 XPS 15 review from notebookcheck:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/filea...18_8300H_GTX_1050/DellXPS15_9570_Innen_10.jpg

I have no doubt the CPU will not operate at its turbo speed all the time, as evidenced in the P52 review, despite its massive cooling system. But you really need to consider what you define as 'throttling' in that regard. Throttling would, in the traditional sense, be anywhere where the CPU is operating below its base clock speed under load. This is sort-of why I'd prefer to get a P1 with the quad-core processors, and it appears to be a shame that your core disablement settings in the BIOS (according to the manual anyway) seems to indicate that you disable either all but one core, or nothing at all.

While I'm on it, does anyone know if that configurable TDP setting ever made it to modern systems? Intel lists a 'configurable tdp-down' for these processors, of 35 watts, but is there a way to actually force the CPU to abide by that in software?

 

Only in Prema BIOS?

 

First "review" is in, in Korean...
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ko&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.noteforum.co.kr/news/index.htm?nm=45831&xid=17259,15700021,15700124,15700126,15700149,15700186,15700191,15700201,15700214

Interesting note about the P2000, which is branded as 'with Max-Q,' is that its memory runs at 6GHz effective, versus 7GHz on the 1050 Ti Max-Q. This leads to some of the synthetic benchmark scores being about 9% slower versus the 1050 Ti Max-Q. Definitely not worth getting a P1 if gaming is your primary focus, at least on the value front (you're saving hundreds for otherwise the same specs by getting an X1 Extreme with 1050 Ti Max-Q, and you can pair it with any CPU on the X1 Extreme.)

That said, they don't get into any detail regarding thermals or potential throttling, or battery life. Still, nice to see actual results for this until-now unknown P2000 Max-Q card.

 

Here's a video of the P1 and benchmark information.

It looks like a Cinebench score of 704...

 

Still no word on what speed the memory actually runs at, in any of their slides or results. PSREF for both X1 Extreme and P1 refers to 2400MHz, "Installed DIMMs are actually 2666MHz but run at 2400MHz due to Intel limitation." Would love to know what limitation they are referring to, as even the base-model i5 8300H claims DDR4-2666 on Intel's ARK pages.

 

I wonder if the P2000 would complain if its memory were set to 7 GHz effective, up from its base 6. Comparing the scores from the video for the P2000 against the 1050 Ti Max-Q seems to show that limited memory speed on the P2000 possibly contributing to something like a 9-14% drop in synthetic benchmarks, despite the GPU itself running at close to the same speeds.

Of course, it's too new for anyone to have tried this, but there seems to be no shortage of others online who have pushed the memory on their laptop GP107-based systems (GTX 1050, etc.) past 8 GHz even, leading me to think that setting the P2000 to 7GHz probably wouldn't be fatal, unless Lenovo and/or Nvidia bin the RAM and shove inferior chips in to power the arguably more-expensive P2000.

 

Samsung makes 32GB 2666 SO-DIMMs (2 x 32 = 64); they started manufacturing earlier this year so in theory OEMs like Lenovo get first crack. They are not on the market yet. 32GB 2133 SO-DIMMs exist so in theory you could use those, too. The 2133s go for about $700+ on eBay, so I can imagine Lenovo will charge abour $1000 for this option.

 

That's very low score for a 6-core CPU.

 

It's even worse than xps 15 9570? Then re-paste job need to be done!