Thinkpad T60 ( Anit HappY)

Well....

I BOUGHT a T60 without researching and I have learned my lesson. The whole **** notebook quality is **** compared to my other ibm r40...

I got it a week ago, and everything about it changed... What's with the ugly black pointers ... Makes it look dumb and the ugly volume controls?!
I WAITED FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS.... AHHH
I sold the notebook to a friend but guys! Tell meeee Why Lenovo did this to a good line of notebooks..

I bought the THinkpad over the acer dual core for like 1,000 bux more because I liked Thinkpad Quality... Now it's like Lenovo doesn't give a crap about quality...
the first day I used it, when u lift up the LCD the whole notebook moves up to... This reminds me of my DEll P2. When I close the lid it isn't even fully closed... The Screen is a inch or so not closed...

I got now like 3500 bux to spend...
Recommandations?

Thanks

 

First, the keyboard sports two additional Windows keys and adds multimedia lablels to existing keys, making the the Ctrl and Alt keys, which are used much more frequently than the Windows keys, smaller and croweded. With all these changes, Lenovo didn't address the major nagging point of most Thinkpad users, which is swapping the Fn and Ctrl keys.

Second, the trackpoint buttons lost their red and blue strips and their curves and became small, square, and all black. Same thing happened to the touchpad buttons. They became small and lost their curves.

Third, the volume and on/off buttons look now like Aspirin pills.

 

Thanks for the post. I was afraid Lenovo might do this to what used to be a great laptop.

 

It would have been great to see pics of all this--a full review, actually.

Lenovo is truly treading on thin ice here. It won't be the first time a company has trashed its quality and reputation for the sake of boosting profits for one quarter.

Is it time to switch ? Will Asus, Fujitsu, or Panasonic make changes to accomodate us Thinkpad refugees ?

 

I think whatis happening is Lenovo is trying to get "consumers" instead of professionals....

Either way Lenovo is pisisng me off... I dont got a pic. I Sold the notebook 2 a friend.

Really Anooying though... The T60 quality is WORSER THAN my Acer Aspire 5000... Which is pretty pethetic because the Acer Aspire is only a Base 1100 Bux Notebook.

So I am gonna go buy something else now. Lenovo is really thinking me off.

PS:
My Notebooks are:
1. IBM R40 (P4 2.0 Ghz, 512 MB etc)
2. Dell P2 400 Mhz (Touchpad Died)
3. Acer Aspire 5000 (AMD 64 Tiburion 1.6 GHz)
4. Dell P3 750 MHz (all good)
5. USED TO HAVE IBM T60 (Peice of Bloody ****)

 

I THINK that they are... Some notebook Dealers recommended me the Acer, and Asus over IBM... I tried Acer Duo Core that's out for 2600 Tax In and It Is Awesome. Nice Keyboard, Little Fleixng... Who Knows..

 

Well, that's a start, but I was thinking of a track point . . .

 

?? There Isn't a Track Point on that Acer...

 

Duh . . . well, uh, I'm not really acquainted with Acer. Just came from their web site. It all seems pretty confusing. Do I look at TravelMates, or Aspires ? And so many different models !

EDIT: Nevermind, saw the model you mentioned, Acer Aspire 5000. Checking now . . .

 

Acer Aspire great notebook for people looking for a decent cheap laptop..

 

Acer Aspire great notebook for people looking for a decent cheap laptop.. I found it's quality no where NEAR my R40 but close to the T60, Hell Yeah!

I am waathing a walk 2 remember AND it's so sad..

 

What U Think I Should Buy?? A Amd 64 Notebook With A 7800gtx Or A Acer Dual Core 2gb Etc Etc???

 

I am surprised that it is that bad according to what you said.

With the Acer's - the Aspire line is for consumers, whereas the TravelMate is geared toward business. The TM has a bit better quality and most of them come with XPP, no glossy "Crystalbrite" screens. The Aspires come with some multimedia software, in addition to some models with glossy displays.

I've had Acer's TravelMate notebooks, the quality is a bit above average. Not stand out, but not bad either. I was not dissatisfied. Felt pretty solid. You get a lot for your money.

Sorry for rambling ^

Anyways, how about a Fujitsu? They can have trackpoints.

EDIT: If you want that level of power, you can check out the Acer TM8200.

 

The closest to IBM in terms of keyboard/mouse ergonomics would probably be HP's business line. They feature mostly good keyboards and some have trackpoints. Some of the trackpoints also allow for the caps to be replaced, and you can put one of IBM's on it. Build quality should also be good, a business line after all.

With that said, I'd wait just a bit more before proclaiming T60 to be a failure.

 

Interesting. I've been researching buying my first laptop for 2 months now, and this was top on my list (Pilot, on the road a lot)...but after reading this, looks like I'm back at square one =( Kind of want to avoid dell with their cheap build computers.

 

Agreed. First month or two of production by ANY manufacturer usually has a few flaws.

Gizbug--For this reason, if you do choose to buy a core duo system (from ANYBODY) I would wait another month or two.

All this said, and especially given reported problems with the Z60t, I would have thought Lenovo would know they are under a microscope . . .

 

Hello how's it going. I've been browsing the forums for about a year in preparation for buying a notebook for college. (First post.) I plan to buy a Thinkpad T60 before heading off to college. I have a couple of questions and perhaps you can help me.

Okay, I'm a bit confused as to why you think the Thinkpad T60 has a black pointer. From all the preview pictures I've seen so far including the one hosted by notebookreview.com, the pointer is most definetly red.
http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/8466.jpg
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663&p=17
I can't say much more about the build quality in the Thinkpads. I'm under the assumption that they're pretty good even with the switch to Lenovo.

Another thing that confused me about your post Waterloo is the fact that you got your hands on a T60. I'm under the assumption that models don't ship for another couple weeks.
http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2049168&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&re=tptevp_tab
If you have any special connections please let me know. I'd love to order one! Or wait if the build quality is really that bad.

Thanks

 

Dude Few Flaws??!

I BOUGHT THE TOP OF THE LINE T60 with the titanium lid everything DIRECT from LENOVO... COME ON... A flaw ( the pill like volume controls) flaw (the crappy plasitcky feel) a flaw (croweded keys)

I THINK THIS IS DESIGN fault.

 

Save some Grief and buy a Acer Dual Core more for less
Not Pointer the Thing UNder It U know LEFT and Right
I am in the retailler and wholesaller market. U dont want this notebook. I had it preordered in Dec... LONG WAIT, and Sadly a bad 1 too. But O well!

FOR SOMEONE WHO HASN'T NEVER EVER BOUGHT A THINKPAD... YEAH THE T60 SEEMS LIKE IT'S "AWESOME" BUT IF USED THINKPADS BEFORE IT'S GARBAG compared to them..

 

Go Acer??? I dont know. If U really want the IBM go ahead and buy it... I am comparing these T60 to older thinkpad models.

 

Ah I see what you're saying. There was some complaints over the new clickers. And there seems to be some people, probably linux people, who don't like the new windows button on the new thinkpads.

Well I'll hold final judgement till I see a review from notebookreview.com or AnandTech.

Thanks!

 

O no not a failure... Umm Just "let me down"....

So much "cheapiness"

I won't lie the hardware is great in it.

Just thought for $3,150 CAD withuot taxes I would get better than I got.

 

This is what angered me.. I DID NOT GET A LOT FOR MY MONEY, I felt I spend so much on a product that didnt feel $3,150 CAD withuot taxes

 

Linux is HARDER on the T60... Friend just called me after trying to install Gentoo on the T60... Lol. He can't install the Wireless Drivers. The HARDWARE was detected but didn't say a name like Realtek blah blah just Intel Wireless Blah!

HOW COME IBM WHO SUPPORTS LINUX DOESN'T have hardware which supports LINUX!

lenovo is walking on thin ice!

 

the only reason I got this notebook is because I know some IBM engineers and they had some prebuilt models and such that I could buy!

I am not saying anything else ! Wait!

PS. Maybe this the reason the stupid laptop was so badly built? I dont Know....

 

I think I can understand where your coming from. You've obviously bought a lot of thinkpads in your lifetime and you're angry that Lenovo has decreased the build quality of the laptop.

I'm guessing that Lenovo still provides the highest quality laptop without a doubt. For those who are willing to pay the price, Thinkpads are still the only way to go even if Lenovo has reduced the quality over the years.

If you want a cheaper notebook, buy an Acer. If you want quality, buy Lenovo. They're definitely working hard.

Hope this helps. Wow I'm sure saying a lot for my third post.

 

I can only guess that the 802.11 a/b/g (opposed to 802.11. g/b) cards are what's causing the interference. Ever since the T43's came out, the Lenovo's been adding these new cards in. (It's supposed to stop interference or something.)

I'm not sure if Lenovo is at fault here. Didn't it take some linux distros up until recently to fully support Centrino technology? I just see Lenovo adding more hardware and Linux not being able to keep up with the new hardware standards?

 

Thinkpad quality can only go so far. I'm not sure how the pricing for the T60 is in the US, but it's outrageous in Canada. We only have ONE model available and they're asking $2649 CAD (~2300USD) before tax and with the specs it's a total rip off. The only good thing is the three year warranty, but that's not even on-site service.

It's absolutely insane that they can justify selling this thing for over 2000CAD. At least it's not a bottom of the barrel CPU and it has that nifty fingerprint reader.

 

Umm Yeah... I am frustrated that my beautiful thinkpads are getting ****ed by some dumb **** **************** company lenovo.

 

Maybe... Dunno.. They aren't releaseing the cipset or anything PRAY

 

It's REALLY hard to take you and your posts seriously when you write stuff like that...

 

For the love of god get some pics of that T60 so we can see what your talking about.

And what in the world was Lenovo thinking when they took the stripes off the trackpoint keys?? And the track pointer is black now instead of red??? If this is the best China's manufacturing efforts can do, they should stick to making my socks and underwear that I buy for $2 at Wall-Mart.

 

Wait, what month is it? I must have slept for weeks if people have their hands on T60's already.

Am I the only person having some problems believing this? How did the OP wait for two months to get it when the T60 was only announced, what, barely a month ago?

And, for that matter, this:

Doesn't exist, according to Lenovo's website (which seems to have been revamped!) or the tabook.

That statement also seem to contradict this:

I call shens. I'm not convinced that the OP has been near a T60.

 

I am wondering the same things as you. Why no pictures??

I agree. I have hard time trusting people that cannot speak intelligently.

 

I suppose the poster maybe mixed up one of the Z60 models with a T60, since AFAIK a) there isn't yet any T60 with a titanium cover announced at all and b) T60 models haven't officially shiped so far.

Sorry, but everything else sounds actually more like a fairy tale to me and thus not much serious.

 

Well No Pics Cuz I sold it... I didn't need something like that... no Titanium Lid?? I was pretty darn sure it was...

...Is it hard 2 believe Lenovo made few models before the start date?? anyway up 2 u... I didn't like the T60.

I am not english made.. I am asian ... I don't know English bad words

 

They aren't supposed to start shipping until later this month and we all know unrealistic that is. I don't even think NBR has the review models yet.

 

The titanium lid is only available as an option on the Z60's(at least for now). The regular cover of the T series and Z series is a magnesium composite. Was your computer widescreen, if it was then you had a Z series.

 

The comments made in this post are making my head hurt more than reading business law right now. Almost none of your comments seem to go along with you owning a T60 laptop.

1. No T60's have hit the market place besides test units that are not even close to full production quality or configuration. all these units are also covered in "test sample MUST NOT LEAVE LENOVO" stickers all over the bottom.

2. The Ti lid ONLY exists on the z60 series, as the T60 is magnesitum CF/plastic like every T series before it

3. The realtek wireless chipset. (hint hint, doesn't exist on any IBM laptop). IBM only has Phillips/Atheros (IBM cards), and intel chipset cards (labeled as such).

4. Gentoo on almost any computer is a PITA. The newer mPCIe cards especially have problems because THEY HAVE NOT EVEN HIT THE MARKET FULL FLEDGED YET. Who is making drivers for them when consumers don't have access to it?

5. Your posts are the rants of a madman for the most part, and you skirt away from most of the direct questions asked of you. Your friend which calls you to complain about linux somehow doesn't have a camera, or doesn't let you take pictures of it? This is almost like having an Xbox 360 last spring/summer before anyone else had them.

 

There actually seems to be a lot of people who don't like Lenovo. Has there always been this much hatred towards the thinkpad? I'm almost sensing a sort of blind towards Lenovo because it's a Chinese company. Does anyone else find this to be true?

 

If people complaining about a computer being made in China they are retarded as almost no electronics equipment is made outside of China anymore. Far from being a IBM thing, it is a HP, Dell/Compaq, Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, Apple, IBM thing.

 

"Retarded" is probably a stretch. Minsinformed, perhaps?

Howie

 

I think people are scared that IBM sold it's computer section to Lenovo a Chinese based company. Of course some people just use it as an excuse to bash Lenovo based laptops.

 

It looks like it is the z60t (doh!). Aswell as the titanium lid, he described the same problem with the lid not closing properly as rz8168 had with his http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=34804

 

Most people who post regarding Thinkpads fall into one of two categories.

1. Thinkpad owners (myself included), who years ago decided it was worth spending a little extra money to get a quality product, and now are concerned that the new owner, Lenovo, will drop the quality in an effort to cut costs.

2. Thinkpad haters, who believe Thinkpads are (and always have been) over priced and underperforming, and who also believe Thinkpad owners to be a bunch of snobs.

None of this should not be construed as anti-Chinese. Believe me, we would be MUCH more concerned if Dell had bought the Thinkpad division of IBM.

 

Now thats a scary thought!!!

 

I got an email from Lenovo on Thursday indicating the first T60 units had arrived to them and they would be starting to ship to reviewers this week at some point, there is no Titanium lid option for the T60 so I think waterloo is talking about a Z60 here. I'd be shocked beyond belief if any T60 has actually shipped or if any ships in the next month to be honest -- although it would be somewhat happy to know that Lenovo might be getting on their horse with getting new machines to market. btw, the T60 AnandTech "reviewed" in January was based on experience of a review unit Lenovo was carrying around at CES, it couldn't have been more than an hour or two of hands-on use.

 

What!!! How the heck!? BUT THis THING I WAS SURe had a Intel Core Duo ...

I'm Sad... I payed 3,150 CAD for Nothing...

Ouch, and the wireless. I was using Realtek as a Example. I know they don't use Relteak...
I got ripped off?

Sorry...
I was sure it wasn't the Z60...

I have always loved Touchpads! But Lenovo... Well I don't know what's gonna happen.. I'm sad my R40 keyboard keys are now even making noise and such but I'm afraid of buying a new laptop... Is there a article where I can read and FIND out how to CLEAN the keyboard??? If anyone has any please tell me!

thanks

 

Dam nit people, the laptop shoud have a model number at the bottom right of the LCD. Even if you cannot distinguish the different form factors of a Z-laptop and a T-laptop, you are bound to notice that! Unless they started putting random numbers there.

 

LOL well said. I do not know what is up with this guy. How do you not know which model computer you order?????