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    Thinkpad X100e - Yay or nay?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by marcster, Feb 26, 2010.

  1. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    like a Picasso painting?
     
  2. erik

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    same here.   while i don't need a netbook for any specific reason, the X100e is cheap enough that i could see buying my own just because. :D
     
  3. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    Well nope it does not have an SSD but the speed difference is not just "apparent", it is plain to see... of course I am not copying big files etc. But most business people are not copying huge files anyway, depends on the industry I admit. The point is that an "amazing" Lenovo laptop, top of the range, should boot up faster than a 200 buck netbook, should open and close simple applications way faster, should have a better screen at the very least ... but it doesn't. There is simply no comparison as far as the screen quality is concerned... the little screen on the Samsung has better viewing angles, better colour, better brightness...must I go on ? Shall I take a few pictures ? Remember all the threads about the "ghosting" and "artefacts" when playing a movie on an X200? Never happens on the little NC10, very nice picture quality. The point is at some stage you have to admit that Lenovo truly is very average in some departments. If you don't well then I guess Apple owners are not the only ones with tunnel vision LOL. Hey they are just computers in the end ! I admit the Lenovo is better hardware MINUS the screen ! But for the price you pay they leave a lot to be desired, and by the way so do most brands.
     
  4. aznguyphan

    aznguyphan Notebook Evangelist

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    Do you mind breaking up your posts into paragraphs, makes them tolerable to read.

    I doubt you have a 35 second boot (including BIOS post) with a regular HD. I'd like to see that and know how to do that myself =D.

    And I think many of us understand by now that you want a good computer with a good screen, so maybe you should accept your own advice and stop looking at Thinkpads. They're just not designed for high media usage. They are business machines after all.

    My x200s LED screen is perfect for my needs, bright at mid level settings and it's matte finish lets me use it in more lighting situations than a glossy screen.

    And all the tunnel vision stuff is neither here nor there..the thread is a general consensus on how the x100e should of been better...
     
  5. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    Tunnel vision means when someone is so pro-something that they fail to see the disadvantages of a product or fail to admit that better technology exists than their pet product. Apple people are very much criticized for exactly that reason. They sneer at the word "Windows" etc ... because Apple is "the" best in all departments. I made the comment since it seems so difficult for a few people on here to admit that their favorite products has a few serious flaws. That does not mean I will never buy Lenovo again, I am just waiting for a better screen option. The new screen on the T400 I bought is actually worse than the one on an earlier T61 I owned. I guess for some odd reason I expected technology to progress instead of regress ...
     
  6. erik

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    who here is denying the benefits of a good display?   many users on the forums have IPS/AFFS/PVA ThinkPads.   heck, i have two in my signature, one of which being the first AFFS SXGA+ X61s in the US that i spent over $2500 in equipment alone to develop a jumper harness ($1800 for the crimper and $700 in materials, not including the $2100 i spent on the computer, display, SSD, memory, and small parts).

    so, i have to agree with aznguyphan here.   we've heard your side of the argument, we know how you feel about good displays, and we agree with you that the situation is less than ideal.   at this point you need to decide what you want to do.   constantly complaining about it won't change anything.   only actions will.   agreed? ;)
     
  7. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    unless you have the T400 LCD with the LED backlight, the LCD on the T400 would be the same one used in the T61. Also, you could of got the Samsung panel in your T400, and your T61 had the LG panel.
     
  8. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    And do it.
     
  9. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    Well again I wish I could ... but it seems there may not be a Lenovo solution for me. Since the AFFS screen from Boe Hydis is impossible to find unless I guess you are fluent in Mandarin, I guess yes that does not leave me with any option. The only question I did not get an answer to: on the UK site, it says "NEW" next to the obvious new parts such as the new CPUs, but it also says "NEW" next to the screen options, might it be a correct assumption that they have a new and improved screen on the X201/s or just a typo ? No offense meant on here ... part of me hopes Lenovo is reading !!
     
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    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I'm not trying to be mean, but don't be such a victim. Take control of the situation. There's plenty of AFFS screens available on eBay, though you will have to remove the digitizer and touch screen. If you want a quality CFFL screen on a portable notebook, here's your options:

    X200t tablet
    X200/X200s LCD swap
    X201/X201s/X200t LCD and other parts swap

    Decide what's the best option for you and go for it. Each has their pros and cons. I don't think Lenovo is listening. While you and some other peoples do care about getting good screens, the reality of buying a notebook in 2010 is most people don't and honestly, as much as you lament the loss of quality screens, who's doing anything markedly better? Certainly not HP or Dell. Going around in circles here serves no purpose.
     
  11. perfectionseeker

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    Zaz yes you do sound mean ! I have not been able to locate the matte version of that AFFS screen on Ebay only the glossy one ending in -110 and I need the - 120 Boe Hydis matte screen. And for your info ... repeated quite a few times, Samsung has great matte screens on their netbooks. Unfortunately the max size is 11.6 inches. Yes have been looking believe me ! Or don't LOL.
     
  12. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    Well, I've never seen the Samsung in question. If it's a TN panel I can't imaging it'd be close to the AFFS in terms of image quality. Perhaps if it's a PVA panel. The 120 screen is available on eBay here. Ships worldwide.
     
  13. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    Zaz I read that the 120 screen in question is great but when stripped off the layers (digitizer) etc. it becomes more fragile. Basically I need about 7 hours of battery life, since I am often in regions in the world where maybe you get 1 or 2 hours of electricity a day, so I need to be able to work 5-6 hours on laptop, or watch a few movies when stuck somewhere. Also I travel light hence my obsession with weight. If the tablet were as light as an X200 I would have bought it in the first place. But since I go to off the map places I do need a screen that will not give up on me because it has been rendered too fragile. To sit at my desk at home no problem ! And I think a Tablet with a 6-cell battery only really lasts 4 hours ... was there any T400 that was ever released with a really good screen? as in a Flexview type? I cannot find one. I am searching the outlet store as well, but it's a bit complicated living in Europe.
     
  14. erik

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    where did you read this?   having worked with dozens of tablet displays myself, it makes absolutely no sense.   in fact, i'm confident enough to say that what you read is flat-out incorrect.

    first, the digitizer is on the back, not the front.   the digitizer is an electronic RFID matrix attached to the back of the panel used to sense either the pen or the interference from your finger.   second, removing the writing surface (which everyone always mistakes for a digitizer even though it's just a piece of polycarbonate or tempered glass, depending on the model) reveals nothing more than the same LCD construction as what would be found in any other notebook.

    tablet displays are made from existing notebooks displays.   if one wanted to get creative, it would be possible to create a tablet display from parts.   one could even make a touchscreen notebook with the right LVDS cable and BIOS.

    the only difference between the -120 and -110/-100 panels are the matte and glossy LCD surfaces.   you're welcome to call hydis and confirm this.   if construction of the models were vastly different, the part number would be different, not the revision number.
     
  15. erik

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    on another note, this thread is supposed to be about the X100e.   let's get back on topic, shall we? ;)
     
  16. useroflaptops

    useroflaptops Notebook Evangelist

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    I just used one and it is pretty nice. Keyboard suprizingly good (but 'real' thinkpads should keep the old style of course). In my opinion it beats out the competition like what acer and asus has to offer at that size. I hope the next iteration is an even smaller form factor to go into real netbook category.
     
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