Thinkpad X250

First (tiny little tidbid of) info. Looks like it's coming!



The Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro is one of the company’s most worthy products, coming with advanced specifications but also with a premium price tag.

Now, it appears that the company is looking to roll out the next-generation devices in the lineup. As Notebook Italia points out, a couple of listings for two never before seen Lenovo products have showed up on the website of Indonesian agency Postel.

By the looks of it, Lenovo is planning to bring forth the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro hybrid, but also the business-centric Lenovo ThinkPad X250 laptop. So it looks like we should be expecting to see good things coming out of Lenovo in the near future.

The first product has been listed as a “laptop PC,” so the additional keyboard and 360-degree tilting screen will also be present with the new version.

Surely, this will not be a completely new product, but rather an upgraded version of the current Yoga 2 Pro. But is there room for upgrading?

Not exactly, since the Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro arrives with a 13.3-inch IPS display boasting a beautiful resolution of 3200 x 1800 pixels.

Everything is kept alive and running by an Intel Haswell processor with choices going as far as i7. The laptop is fitted with 8GB of RAM, 512GB solid state storage, and should provide up to 9 hours of work time.

Given the fact that the Yoga 2 Pro already sports the best of the best, it makes sense to speculate that the upcoming Yoga 3 Pro will take advantage of Intel’s upcoming Intel Broadwell 14nm architecture. Intel said that we should expect some products with Broadwell to arrive in time for the holiday season, but the wider availability is scheduled for 2015.

Therefore, Lenovo’s Yoga 3 Pro might arrive in the wild sometime in 2015. As for the ThinkPad X250, the business laptop will be the successor of the current ThinkPad X240.

The device currently available on the market arrives with a 12-inch Full HD display (there’s a touch and non-touch option), Intel Haswell (up to Core i7), 8GB of RAM, and several storage solutions (like SSDs and hard drives up to 1TB).

So, the same thing applies here as well. In all possibility, the ThinkPad X250 will be based on Broadwell. This is all just pure speculation at this point because the Postel listings don’t give away any details about the specs, but hopefully the two new models will make a guest appearance at IFA 2014 in Berlin and then we’ll know more.

Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro and ThinkPad X250 Spotted Online, Might Come with Intel Broadwell

 

We already have a thread for this. Please use the search function in future.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo/755422-new-thinkpad-line-up.html

 

Fresh info!


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There’s a theme with the Lenovo updates being announced today: in most cases, the new models are similar to the previous generation, only now with Intel’s Broadwell-U processors in place of Haswell-U. The ThinkPad X250 continues that trend, supporting up to Core i7 Broadwell-U processors.

Of course the big draw of the X250 is that it boasts more battery life than any other laptop I know of with the same battery capacity. Equipped with the 72Wh 6-cell battery (in addition to the built-in 3-cell 23.2Wh battery), the X250 is rated at up to 20 hours of battery life. As with the X1 Carbon, that’s a nice increase compared to the previous model that was rated at 17.4 hours. The touchpad has also returned to the previous design, with dedicated left/right buttons at the top (for use with the TrackPoint), which is sure to please many that disliked the changes made with the X240.

Screen options are the same as before: 1366x768, 1366x768 Premium IPS, or FullHD IPS. Memory still comes courtesy of a single SO-DIMM slot (8GB max), storage options consist of up to 512GB SSD or 1TB HDD, and the weight and dimensions appear to be unchanged as well. Pricing and availability have not been announced but the X250 should occupy the same MSRP bracket as the X240 (which is now on sale).

 

Just a X240 with dedicated trackpoint buttons, and Broadwell. Not to say that this or the X240 are bad or anything, but the next iteration (Skylake) will be much better.

 

The next iteration is always better... thats computer business...

 

The keyword is 'much'.

 

Of course, but what makes you think it'll be an enormous difference? Broadwell is bad-@ss. Improved Haswell architecture (which was already awesome) at 14nm. What's there not to like?

 

Overall a good smaller notebook which puts right some of the problems with the X240. I may upgrade my X230 to this. But I'm worried about the single slot for RAM which not only limits total RAM to 8GB but also implies single channel which may shave a few percent off performance. And I doubt there will be a model with Intel iris/iris pro graphics.

 

Since my current Notebook is 6 years old, a X250 would be a speed increase. First I was thinking about a TP Yoga but I found out the X240 is more suitable for me... and now I wait for the Broadwell improved version. At all I prefer hardware zhat is suitable, and I guess the not so good things of the X240 are gone in the X250.

 

If your current machine is an X230, you won't see a huge difference in performance, except for battery life. Biggest difference will be the screen if you go for 1080p, or the speed of an SSD, if you're getting that. If I were you, I'd hang on to your current machine if you're still happy with it speed-wise. The X230 isn't that old and it's still a solid performer. I'm pretty sure this model won't get any powerful graphics. The main selling point of this laptop is that's mostly super-compact.

 

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Looks like you may be right unfortunately. Graphics should be better going from 16 to 24EUs but the move from 35W TDP to 15W TDP ( Broadwell-U) plus single channel RAM may make the overall gains small. The currently announced Iris Pro models are 28W so they would be feasible in an x2*0 size body if Lenovo were interested.

There are not many compact laptops around that have HDD+SSD capability and don't have clickpads so the x250 may not have much competition.

 

As far as I know, none of these CPUs supports vPro, so I think that's one of the reasons why Lenovo doesn't use 28W Core iX-5XXXU CPUs

 

The real question is, what are you going to use it for? The low-voltage CPUs & 8GB are plenty fast for what most people use these laptops for. I was bummed about the low-voltage CPUs too when I first heard about it, but ultimately, these things are still pretty damn fast. Fast enough for me at least.

 

Anyone know the shape of the 6 cell battery this time around? Does it protrude from bottom or back?

 

It's the same battery that the X240 uses.

 

Wait a minute... Is the FHD Touchscreen an IPS panel? The data sheet says IPS for the HD, but not for the Full HD panel

 

Yes, it is.

 

What's the release date? Also, will the touch panel have a thicker screen and will it weigh more than the non-touch screen model?

 

I would assume so, it's almost always the case. (To give an example, the non-touch X240 weighs 1.35KG, while the touch model weighs about 0.1-0.2KG more, if I remember correctly).

 

X250 Platform Specifics PDF

Core i3-5010U
Core i5-5200/5300U
Core i7-5600U

 

Don't forget the 400 nit FHD IPS LCD. I also noticed it said some with 7mm or 9.5mm replaceable drives. The X250 with FHD IPS LCD and 1TB WD Black2 would make for a very nice machine.

 

Some benchmarks on the HD5500: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-5500.125586.0.html

Looks pretty sweet. The more I read about it, the more I'm becoming sure that this will be my next laptop.

 

What's happening with this laptop?

Didn't Lenovo say it's going to be released end of Jan 2015?

 

Nope: http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1877

"Models of the ThinkPad X250 start at $1149 and will be available from February 2015."

All new ThinkPads are on sale here in Germany since last week, so the US release can´t be far off.

 

ibmthink, what do you mean the new ones are on sale in DE ? I just checked the Germany site, didn't see the new models - T450S or X250. I'm pretty near to Germany so if they would be available there, i'd just pick up a plane ticket and go get one.

 

They are available in retail now (most ThinkPads in Germany are sold via retail) - see: http://www.campuspoint.de/mobile/no...udent/where/filter-notebook-broadwell/ja.html

(some of these are for students only, the models markted with "Education" - but non-education models are available there as well.

 

Help decide:

Why is the new X250 spec'd with both a 1366x720 and a 1920x1080 IPS non touch screens ?

My current 15" laptop is the 1366x720 is fine for surfing & word docs. The higher FHD resolution on my desktop fits wider xcel sheets but am wondering if the tiny 12.5" screen really works for excel, surfing & docs?

Also the Lenovo specs for cell service is unintelligible gibberish - what works for US Verizon access?

Apparently Lenovo marketing has forgotten they make products for human consumption...

 

X250 is now available for purchase on Lenovo.com: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x250/

 

Thanks for the heads up. Let's see if someone can confirm a two things on the x250:
Is the RAM and hard drive removable?
Is the 1080 non-touch screen matte or glossy?

 

I'm assuming they didn't deviate too much from the X240 design and will allow for memory/drive upgrades. All screens are anti-glare according to the tabook, though the touch version will serve up glare. The six-cell battery is a reasonable $5 to upgrade and the FHD LCD is $130, but it still cost twice what my Dell did.

 

By the way, what happened to the FHD non-touch upgrade? I saw it a day or so ago, but it's gone from the list of options on the US config site when I checked today.

That was disappointing, as I'm not sure what the point of the touchscreen is on a non-convertible laptop--other than testing touchscreen apps for devs. Maybe there's something else I'm missing, but I suspect it isn't significant enough to warrant not offering a non-touch version at all.

 

Notebookcheck first impressions.

 

Notebookcheck Full Review in German.

 

I have an estimated ship date of 3/5/2015 for the X250. It appears the 1080p non-touch delayed my order.

 

The battery life being that much worse than the Latitude E7250 was a crushing disappointment (E7250 has a 8% larger battery capacity but 37% higher battery life). It was even worse than the X240. :\

 

Wow, that bleeding... it's 2015 already, is it that hard to make it right? I mean, based on price you'd think it's a premium product...

 

Wonder what caused the poor battery life. New CPU?

 

They used the internal battery plus the external 3-cell and not the 6-cell.

 

So the X240 they had in their test had 3 + 6 cells?

 

X250 and X240 were both tested using the 23.8 Wh (3 cell)+23.8 Wh (3 cell) setup. The E7250 has a 52 or 54 Wh battery. The X250 is the least power efficient of the three.

I suspect it's because the X250 and X240 use lower quality conductive material for the motherboard and contacts. When the whole machine uses about 10 W, every bit of loss of power in the little things count.

 

Never thought about the conductive material. I've always attributed battery life to OEM drivers.

 

No, they had the two 3 cells.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X250-Ultrabook-Review.136646.0.html

Full review

 

I was going to order the x250 today (it's on sale) but the non-touch FHD option is gone. Given that the battery life is pathetic, I'm not sure I want one anymore.

 

I suspect you can call the sales center and order it with a non-touch FHD (and 6 cell battery), but that doesn't solve the awful battery issue. I think my X220t can get the same battery life... with a more powerful CPU and 2 DIMM slots.

 

Just finished speaking with Lenovo. It's a shortage issue. Rep said it might be in stock on Monday (2/23).

In regard to battery, Lenovo claims 20 hours with 3 +6. (I know this isn't realistic). Notebook check averaged 6 hours with 3+3. Adding 3 more cells to the 3+3 isn't going to make up for the approx. 14 hour deficit. So why is there such a gap?

I want to see what just a 6 cell would do. If you remove the internal 3 cell ($35) and add the 6 cell ($5), you'll save $30, save weight, and get the same battery life, right?

The other factor is the 6 cell is li-ion vs the 3 cell li-pol.

 

I really doubt that.

It's probably just the actual flow of power around the board, and down to how much each individual component uses. A large amount is also presumably wasted on DC/DC conversion losses.

Is it possible that always on USB could be wasting some precious power too? Might be worth turning it off via BIOS, and any other 'power wasting' options.

Anyway, the battery life is still somewhat disappointing.

 

The number of cells doesn't tell you anything about battery capacity. The Wh (Watt-hour) gives you the battery capacity, in units of energy.

The 3+3 configuration is 24 Wh+24 Wh (48 Wh).
The 3+6 configuration is 24 Wh+72 Wh (96 Wh).

It doubles the capacity--and therefore battery life. You'd expect 11 hours with the 3+6 configuration--much shorter than the claimed 20 hours, but more than the 8.25 you'd get if you counted by cells.