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    W701 vs 8740w - why did you buy the W701?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Vogelbung, Sep 18, 2010.

  1. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    And given the price difference between Quadro's and FirePro's, - that's very sad. FX5000M is ~2500$, while M7820 is only 350$. The pure performance should be very similar. So if I don't need CUDA, why should I sell my car for a laptop, lol? :p

    And also, it's said that the FX5000M won't support 30-bit IPS screens.
     
  2. jaakobi

    jaakobi Notebook Evangelist

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    evidence of this?

    Evidence?
     
  3. jdbfdhsvbhdvhs

    jdbfdhsvbhdvhs Notebook Consultant

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    Regarding the quadro fx 5000m compatibility with 30-bit IPS panel, the only source I found is the HP online configurator for the 8740w. (You can´t configure a DC screen with the Quadro Fx 5000m) This might be caused by the bigger TDP of the Quadro compared to the Firepro but I wouldn´t know coz I don't even have a mobile workstation ;P (I'll kill for a 8740w, m6500 or W701)
     
  4. Ingvarr

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    Quadro FX 5000M is using 480M chip, and its performance is known.
    To be accurate, performance in games will be only slightly above HD5870 chip that M7820 is using.
    However, performance in CAD (for which Quadro/FirePro is optimized) could be another league entirely, and I have no data no that. It's possible what 5000M is quite faster then M7820 in that area, hence the price.
     
  5. jaakobi

    jaakobi Notebook Evangelist

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    Why would the 3800M be compatible with 30 bit IPS but not the 5000M? It looks to me like a temporary thing which HP will probably change in the future.
     
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    HiddenUser Notebook Evangelist

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    Yes, the Quadro FX5000M does have support for 30-bit color precision:
    I'm pretty sure the FX5000M has some problems with DreamColor compatibility and I think HP will iron out soon these problems. It's a must this point, because the FX5000M is the best card HP currently offers for the 8740w, and the best card must be paired with the best screen... right? ;)

    No, that is not the cause. The FX5000M has a max TDP of 100W, like the FX3800M. As I've said, there must be a compatibility problem with the DC technology.
     
  7. LTN184HT

    LTN184HT Notebook Consultant

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    Dear HiddenUser

    Have you found specific model name of the IPS panel for this particular model ( 8740W DC2) ?
     
  8. HiddenUser

    HiddenUser Notebook Evangelist

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    Hi, yes, our mate RampageII found it:
    Original post.

    So now you have your answer ;)
     
  9. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    8740w owners (M7820) say that the performance (CAD) is very good in 3D (2D still suffers because HP is using the older drivers). Even if FX5000M is twice as fast there - who cares, as long as your programs run smooth. Would you pay 2.5k for the GPU? C'mon. Even in the gamers section, 480M is 3x the price of a 5870M. That's insane given the 5-10% performance gain in games. Tessellation still immature (neither card can run the latest DX11 games on max settings with 30+ FPS) so why bother with something that gives you a 20-30% boost there, if you still can't play those games, lol.
     
  10. Ingvarr

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    What I am saying while it may not have sense from gaming standpoint, it could make sense for companies who order laptop for serious CAD/3D modelling work (which the whole point of Quadro btw, otherwise GeForce is enough). NVidia does not just set any prices on their chips, they do it because somebody willing to buy them.
     
  11. jaakobi

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    On HP's site, (for me at least), the 5000M is a $1850 option over the M7820, not $2.5k. Games aren't the target market for any of these workstation laptops, they're about serious 3D rendering or video editing or what have you. (Aren't Quadros the only graphics that support Adobe CS5 GPU acceleration anyway?) In fact, gamers are well advised to stay away from these laptops if gaming is the main focus for your laptop and not workstation level work. That said, if I were in the market for one of these I'd stick with the M7820 because I wouldn't have any way of even utilizing the performance of a Quadro so it would just be a waste for me anyway.
     
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    Yes bcoz adobe thinks they're being smart in only allowing CUDA acceleration of their programs...big deal...AMD/ATI is just about as good (with Stream) at about 1/5 the cost (350 vs 1850 from a post up above...) Come on Adobe...don't hate on ATI!!!
     
  13. Thaenatos

    Thaenatos Zero Cool

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    Old, but thinking about a w701 with an ATI firepro makes my mouth water and Im not even a CAD tech or gamer...
     
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    dsrini9000 Notebook Evangelist

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    @sphinx

    too bad the W7xx series is dead...this is why lenovo should be banished to the deepest darkest depths of hell...
     
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    My bro got a W701 and we are now comparing it with my M6500 side by side and the W701ds screen seems much darker than the Dell. My Dell is LTN170CT08-D02.
     
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    its a shame that the W7xx and X3xx series is dead. They were pretty much made as halo products for lenovo to show off their engineering skills, in particular because they were one of the main sponsors for the beijing olympics. all part of their plan to ditch the IBM branding early
     
  17. menos

    menos Notebook Evangelist NBR Reviewer

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    So, let's make'em an obituary (they deserve for):
    [​IMG]
     
  18. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    It would be a shame, the W7xx's have quite a few strong PRO's: superior cooling, digitizer, second screen, outstanding build quality, etc.
     
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    I still can't believe these have the same panel as the M6500. The Lenovo screen looks much more saturated(Most people might prefer this) and overall darker with both of the screens' BL set at 9.
     
  20. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Probably calibrated differently. AFAIK, it's the same panel.
     
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