Why I'll choose the w540 over the alternatives

Matte display.

That is all.

 

If you choose the W540 probably you will not need any activity LEDs and don't care about pay more for a Workstation laptop with changed or removed keys.

 

Matte display does not offset that hideous offset keyboard IMO

 

" Well, that's just like your opinion man."

 

Do we really care?

 

I'm still on W530 with the best screen ever..

 

You haven't seen too many screens, have you?

The *best Lenovo-issued widescreen TN panel* - by all means.

 

Correction, this is the best screen (and PC) i've ever used:

 

Thank you for the memories...:thumbsup:

All jokes aside, that keyboard would qualify as the best one ever for many people belonging to different age groups...

 

People with weak fingers swifting on touchscreen does not apply.

 

Typing on a touchscreen is bad and you should feel bad.

 

I know you care man. Bro hug.

Now, I may be a handsome fellow, but even I don't want to look at my reflection for hours on end while typing. And the alternatives are all going glossy.


( not me)

 

You don't truly know the meaning of hideous until you experience the MacBook chiclet abomination. Its like the demons of anti-ergonomics made a deal with Apple, and in return for massive global success and adoration, the chiclet keyboard would sweep the world as a curse on all humanity. But I guess the joke is on the demons as Apple did what was thought impossible even in the deepest tactile abyss of typist-hell by making typing on glass a phenomenal global success. God have mercy on our souls.

 

The world's best engineers are working to address this stigma through the development morphing tactile screen overlays that promise to return us to the ergonomic glory days of the Atari 400 and Sinclair ZX80.

 

Some power users want the full keyboard. This is simply a case of different needs and that they can't make everyone happy. Still, at least the keys are nice to type on.
Personally I don't use the numpad, but just saying.

As for glossy screens it's an absolute deal breaker in a work machine. Anywhere outside or inside where the sun shines through, or even strong lighting ruins it. HI! It's ME (or the things around me)!

 

Isn't the IBM Model M keyboard the best one ever for many people belonging to different age groups...

 

Of course, and it was directly derived from the one in the picture.

There's more than one model M...just as FYI...

 

It looks like the battery life on the product page has been updated, now says up to 6 hours with the 6 cell.. isn't that an hour longer than that page used to have on it?

Anyway, back on topic.. I'm considering the w540 because of:...

- size
- weight
- keyboard
- display
- battery life (I get 2.5 hours if I try really hard with my m6600 anything more than 4 hours would be excellent in my book)

... the other things I'm looking at are the t440p... same reasons... (not so much the display, but not having 1920x1080 or greater was the reason I didn't even look at 14" notebooks when I got the monster I'm using now)...

I'm also somewhat considering the m4800... but in terms of size and weight it'd be slightly a lateral move... I guess it would save ~ 2lbs

 

It'll certainly keep the compilers happy but not sure the multimedia folk will be as happy. To me it smacks of just more of the "me too" mentality PC makers increasingly have. Lenovo, Dell and HP 15"+ workstations all generally now have numpad keyboards (except the rather fabulous-looking M3800). Somehow I doubt this is based on extensive market research, probably more on poor market research coupled with component cost cutting. Call me a cynic

 

It has the added advantage of being heavy enough to club anyone trying to steal your computer

However, I no longer use my trusty black M13 keyboard... too noisy, large and heavy

 

I doubt it cut cost to add the numpad. It is a trade-off of use cases. A numpad is a defining, must have feature for people who enter a lot of numbers. That is most financial, scientific\engineering customers. For the rest, the existence of a numpad may be an annoyance but is unlikely to break the sale. The true design elegance purists are likely going to Apple anyway.

 

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Piffle. Now THIS is a real keyboard!

 

Don't kid yourself.

I own a couple of working typewriters from this era. The ribbons are a PITA to find, though.

 

"I own a couple of working typewriters from this era. The ribbons are a PITA to find, though."

Do they still actually make typewriter ribbons? If they're the original antique ribbons I would think they'd be extremely rare and all dried out.

That Corona was ultramodern super hi-tech - bi-colored ribbon red and black!

 

Back to the topic, though...I was actually interested in the W540. When is it due to come out, in a week or two? What's the gripe with its keypad?

 

yeah i thought about using a portable typewriter, i looked up the price for the ribbon, 30 dollars, looked up the price of the typewriter it self, 20 dollars..

 

Different people have different issues with it. A number of folks don't like how he touchpad is off-center, touch typists used to Thinkpads don't like that they need to develop new muscle memory to use it, and some Thinkpad purists believe the keypad adds unneeded keys without restoring keys they used in older models. It's completely up to user preference.

As to when it's going to come out, that's a good question. Right now, signs are pointing to early next year.

 

i think people are being stubborn and touch typist is a poor excuse, i use a number of different keyboards, it takes me 5 minutes to get acquainted with a keyboard, i can type without eyesight with pretty good accuracy and speed, what is so difficult having to shift your hands to one side of the keyboard? it just sounds like a bunch of old grumpy people who don't like adjusting to technology because it requires some form of "work" in their eyes, in my opinion, most types of work require a keypad that people using a workstation could benefit from, honestly if your type of work doesn't require a keypad, it probably doesn't require a work station computer, most sciences and business oriented work benefits from the keypad and it just doesn't make sense to leave that out because those fields use workstations quite a bit.

 

And do you use keyboard shortcuts that were associated with the now-missing 7th row on regular basis? How long have you used the original ThinkPad keyboard to begin with?

Adjusting to the technology? What technology is there to adjust to?

As for "work"...most of us use these machines for work, and that's *exactly* why we're complaining...

None of us complained about the numpad on W70* series as far as I can recall...

That setup looked a lot better than the one on W540 in my opinion, but that's a whole another story.

 

I've been software dev for more than 5 years and during this time I have used numpad maybe once or twice... if anyone needs a numpad there are plenty of usb solutions out there. I'm not using it mainly because of additional hand movement, same thing using a mouse vs trackpoint.

Adjusting to technology? Is your steering wheel off-centered or in front of you? Do you align your desktop keyboard to your monitor or move it to the right a bit? IMHO an off-centered keyboard on a laptop is not ergonomic, you get used with it but it's not symmetric, not natural...

I think the best way to handle this is to offer 2 types of keyboards with and without numpad...

 

Agree with you on this... I have nothing against numpads, per se, but I rarely if ever use one and I do a lot of typing on a keyboard. Having an off-center keyboard is ergonomically troublesome, not least because by cramming a full keyboard into a 15" laptop frame means the left side of the keyboard is far too close to the edge for comfortable typing and one wrist is likely to be constantly compensating for that while the other has plenty of space.

Not many people use numpads often (in my experience, at least) but everyone types often, so it just seems odd to me that Lenovo opted to compromise the typing ergonomics in favor of a minor "feature". Please a few yet potentially annoy many more users. The full-size keyboard belongs on 17" machines IMO, where there's enough room to give the entire keyboard some space.

I'm actually curious who regularly uses a numpad. I only ever use on when working with a lot of financial spreadsheets (and I have a USB numpad for that).

 

Keep the t series with original keyboard and make w-series with numpad, does that make everyone happy?

Wait, isnt that the same as offering 2 keyboard type choices?

Eh,why this get so philosophical?

 

This dead horse has been beat so long it's been reincarnated

 

In Sweden three pre configured models are now defined and the preliminary delivery dates for the two models with Full HD (not the 3k screen) is December 4.