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    Why do you like IBM?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by dr_st, Sep 16, 2005.

  1. dr_st

    dr_st Notebook Deity

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    I've just had a little idea spring to mind. I hope it hasn't been done before and that no one will get mad at me doing this.

    Here's the idea.

    Every laptop manufacturer/brand has something unique about it. Each have their advantages and disadvantages, and their fanbase. Something must draw the fans to this brand or that, and I'd like to know what.

    So I'm gonna post a thread like this in the forums dedicated to each of the major manufacturers (i.e. the ones who have the most active forums).

    I welcome everyone (especially the fans of the particular brand) to post what is it that they like about these laptops. Any reasons are welcome - from features and performance to price and family traditions.

    Of course, you can also post things that you don't like.

    So, why do you like IBM?
     
  2. dr_st

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    Being an IBM fan myself I will answer my own thread here.

    What has drawn me to buy choose IBM as my newest laptop? Well, besides the traditional bla-bla such as "they are known for great build quality, stability and reliability" and the fact that I live in Israel, where some other major manufacturers are better to avoid (Dell never made it big here and HP's Israeli support services are known for their utter crappiness), there was one simple thing, that many people will find trivial or maybe even funny, but here it is.

    When I decided to buy a laptop I said to myself that performance and features are important, but they are not gonna make or break - technology is always moving forward, no matter what you buy today, tomorrow something better and cheaper will be available. But the one thing I'm not gonna skimp on is usability and ergonomics.

    I never could stand the touchpad. I don't want to turn this into another trackpoint v. touchpad argument, just state my opinion on the matter. Therefore I had to look up a model that had the trackpoint. IBM is the only manufacturer that puts the trackpoint on all of their models (others have some models, but these are few), so naturally it drew my attention.

    Furthermore, and possibly even more important - the keyboard. Another thing I never could stand are keyboards with non-standard layout. I believe that rearranging the six keys above the reverse-T arrows should be an offense punishable by death. Now, almost every laptop these days has these keys arranged in some crappy manner, and other keys tampered with. Some models don't have dedicated Home/End keys, i.e. you have to press Shift+PgUp or something of the sort! Others have the delete key stuck somewhere between the spacebar and the dumb "My computer" key, and the possible horrors are many. How people can live with this I'll never understand. Because you'll rarely find yourself connecting an external keyboard, I absolutely had to ensure that the keyboard will be as close to standard as possible. Thus, again, IBM. The fact that the IBM keyboards are also ranked among the best in their physical characteristics was secondary (especially considering the fact that you cannot really know this until you spend some time with the machine).

    Funnily, my only "major" gripe on the laptop also comes from the keyboard - the lack of Windows key I find inconvenient. I did configure the right Alt key for it, but it in itself hurts the standard layout, which I just spent an entire paragraph on.

    I was pretty happy to see that the new models by Lenovo (Z series) finally feature the Winkey. And if the quality of the built remains similar, I'll happily purchase another Thinkpad in the future.
     
  3. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    -Build quality – I’ve seen a lot of notebooks, but nothing feels as solid to me. You can push on the top of then screen and the bottom moves up before the screen adjusts.
    -Keyboard – I don’t even type that much, but I like it better than my desktop keyboard.
    -Screen – I have the FlexView screen. It has a very bright with good contrast and wide viewing angles. All the benefits of a glossy screen without the glare except it is not very good outside.
    -Service – The few times I have had to call them, they always pick up in the first few rings and I have never been put on hold. How many makers can make that claim. I think there is a video on their website for just about everything.
    -Hard Drive Protection – Can sense if the notebook is being dropped and parks the hard drive for protection.
    -ThinkLight – Comes in handy when using my notebook in dark situations.

    Dislikes
    -Connections – Could use a few more ports like firewire or a card reader for the digital camera.
    -Optical Drive – Use crappy Panasonic drives. DVD burners only burn at 2x and no dual layer.
    -Graphics card – I wish they had better options for GPUs, although I’m not a huge gamer and my 64MB 9600 is decent.
     
  4. dr_st

    dr_st Notebook Deity

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    Really? I always thought the light was way too weak. The monitor lights the keyboard better.

    That's so true. I'd prefer to see LG drives on Thinkpads, which isn't too far fetched, considering that IBM does business with Hitachi who manufactures LG's drives. But I guess LG wanted to save their drives for their own line of notebooks.
     
  5. MP5

    MP5 Notebook Consultant

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    before use:reasonable price (epp), fav color (black), fav touchpoint, fav design ( i'm an old style fan), good battery life
    after use:great customer service, great software support, high durability, cool machine temp. (R52), 3yrs warranty worldwide, reasonable screen

    edit: thinklight. it shows orange light. very noticeable. Cool feature. Tested yesterday, save me from having trouble in finding the keys
     
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    I totally agree with Zazonz on this -- the keyboard for me is probably the clincher at the end of the day. It's simply the best. And Zaz is an absolute liar saying "doesn't type much", you can see based on his post count here he types more and likely faster than 99.999% of the world population. His keyboard would have broken by now if he had a Dell (I kid).
     
  7. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I took the typing test in the Off Topic forum. My results were 36WPM, no errors though.
     
  8. Goren

    Goren Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    actually I hate IBM..

    my first notebook was a T42.. and I sold it to my friend because I thought it looked too dull.. I went through several notebooks after that and this is where I begin to hate my IBM..

    because of IBM, I have an impossible time finding a better keyboard
    because of IBM, I have yet to find a notebook with a sturdy palm rest, yet mostly cool, even when running games.
    because of IBM, I constantly flex various areas of the lid and notebook when searching for a new one.
    because of IBM, I can't find any brand that offers the same combination of build quality, sturdiness, and quiet and cool operation.. **** you IBM!
     
  9. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I'd prefer to see NEC drives, which are the best drives in my opinion, on ThinkPads. Outside of Japan, I don't think most people care about DVD-RAM offered on the Panasonic and LG drives.
     
  10. MP5

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    my thinkpad uses LG, HDLS - Hitachi with LG
     
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    After using a T41 for a year (provided by company) I can't go back to any other laptop. Ever since I left that job I have been thinking about getting another Thinkpad, which I believe is the standard in business laptops and after a year of abusing one, I stand by that. At a new job I have been using a HP VT6200, simliar in spec to a 2004-era T41 but not nearly as reliable or fast.

    The T41 was incredibly reliable, fast and didn't break down once. Dual-display option was also handy as I could hook it up to whatever LCD/CRT was around to double the desktop. I can't do that with the HP :(

    Needless to say, I just placed an order for a T42 today. Got a 512MB upgrade and laptop bag as part of the deal. A birthday present to myself, which means the HP can go to someone else.

    I am a big fan of IBM's design as well. Their machines are built for professionals, and look it - if you want flashing neon lights, plastic crap and other ridiculous designs to appease todays consumer, look elsewhere.
     
  12. Henry Su

    Henry Su Notebook Consultant

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    For me, it's the little things that make me favor ThinkPads. For instance, the inclusion of the TrackPoint is wonderful, as I don't seem to be able to use touchpads efficiently. I also like the way the touchpad/TrackPoint buttons press. On too many other notebooks, they make a loud and sharp clicking sound, while it's smooth on ThinkPads. The keyboard is also nice, of course. I also think, though, that the graphics can use some improvements.
     
  13. AuroraS

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    The best (and most sarcastic) post I've ever read... LOL... I love it.
    You go Goren!
     
  14. ymmrao

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    Friends! Now I dislike IBM brand.

    I spent few hundred dollars for just sake of brand. I bought R50 (with one year warranty) about 1.5 years back, when Acer was costing few hundred dollars with same configuration and three years warranty. I spent these extra dollars for the sake of brand and reliability.

    But now my laptop is not working and on diagnosis it was found that there is motherboard problem and need to be replaced.

    Where is the reliability? Or I am the one unfortunate guy among thousands?
     
  15. yahooR52

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    :buyIBM: I like IBM because of the hard drive protection, and they stuck with there own thing while Dell and HP followed the majority. And because the ThinkPad 600 series is still number 1 all time in laptops overall. I still have just because it hasen't broken down once in its life. If I had to replace this, it would be with a Z-series or R-series. The thinkpad 600 I have has 128MB 5.0 GB hard disk, and Windows ME :hp:
     
  16. Goren

    Goren Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    I'd say you're one guy in the thousands. Sorry to hear that happened, IBM is great, but it does not necessarily mean it is automatically fail proof. O the bright side, you don't have that curse where you compare every single notebook to a thinkpad.. it's a curse I tell ya, makes me not enjoy the leading competitors I tell ya :mad:
     
  17. AuroraS

    AuroraS Notebook Virtuoso

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    IBM notebooks are some of the most solid I've seen for sure.
    I don't own one, but I've had experience with a few... and I know for sure that they have awesome keyboards (they are NOT overrated)

    I love their screen hinges too... very solid. No wobble!
     
  18. dr_st

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    Sometimes even too solid. When I lift my lid up, the bottom of the laptop is often lifted as well (just a bit) unless I hold it. Probably due to the fact that the screen cover is very thick and heavy (which is good in itself).
     
  19. Michael1980

    Michael1980 Notebook Consultant

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    The fact that the Thinkpads are the laptops most likely to look new after 3 years of heavy use. I see so many used ones sold in the shops, T21's, A30's etc and they all look almost new.
     
  20. npaladin2000

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    Well, lesee, there's so much to both like and dislike about Thinkpads. The likes are definitely the keyboards and TrackPoints. The dislikes....their scorn for "home" consumers and the expense. The only reason I own a T42 is because I got $900 off on the thing because I was an IBM contractor at the time and they "oops"ed the listing.

    Anyway, my Thinkpad is nice, but has disadvantages. The screen is base XGA, which isn't good. No firewire, no card reader, and only 2 USB ports is also not good. No widescreen models to this point is also a bad thing...it took them WAY too long to get on that bandwagon. Now that Lenovo owns the PC division, I'm not sure I trust Thinkpads anymore (I don't care if it's an IBM DESIGN, Lenovo's building it, and they're known for using substandard parts).

    Also, Thinkpads have never been terribly configurable; but many laptop manufacturers have this problem. So far, in this area, Dell, and HP/Compaq's home units are the only ones that "do it right." (HP's buisness notebook site is pretty horrible for custom configs too).

    Most of all, the biggest thing to hate is the fact that one of the premier American laptop manufacturers was sold to a foreign government, basically.

    With all this in mind, I'm skipping the 2+ month wait on a 15 inch Z series that I probably wouldn't be able to get with WSXGA+ anyway. $1700 minimum for WSXGA+, $2000+ if you want the Intel 2915? Come on guys, I ordered a Latitude D810 with both of those AND an extended-life battery for $1400, and they let me ditch the DVD-RW for a DVD/CDRW. And the Latitude has got dual-channel RAM. And a TrackPoint. :D

    So Thinkpads are still a bit expensive without some sort of discount (I wonder what will happen to the IBM EPP and CPP programs now that Lenovo owns the lineup...). But anyway, between that and unknown quality, I'm sliding over to recommending Dell and...well, Averatec, actually. Other than the Compaq home laptops, HPs are overpriced for what you get. :) But the Thinkpad line is now a wait-and-see; it depends on whether the quality levels are maintained, the prices drop (a LITTLE, at least) and how the Z series is recieved. Might end up a little like Ford making Jags...or GM making Saabs ;)
     
  21. MP5

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    there are differences in weight, build quality, software provided, service, look (model), heat management, fan management, etc... you can't compare books by the covers
     
  22. snowstar

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    IBM makes the best notebook in the world~
    How about Lenovo?
    Will you still choose IBM computer now?
     
  23. npaladin2000

    npaladin2000 LOAD "*",8,1

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    Oh, I know, IBM makes some great management software...nothing really tops AccessIBM if you use that stuff. I, however, don't, so it's not a deciding factor. I don't know where the Z is going to squirt out the hot air, but I know Dell spits it out the back; this is as it should be.

    Like I said, build quality remains to be seen since it's no longer IBM building these things from their usual high-quality components. Instead it's Lenovo building them out of who-knows-what, so only time will tell.

    Thinkpads USED to be top build quality...don't know now. They USED to be well-designed...but we have yet to see their first non-IBM-designed model. Since Lenovo isn't IBM, who knows what will happen to the AccessIBM software packages now?

    I'm just REALLY shaky on standing behind Thinkpads at this point, until it becomes clear what effect being owned by Lenovo will have on the model line.
     
  24. @RT

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    I had read that Z series was not designed by Lenovo but the former IBM long time before.
     
  25. AuroraS

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    I've also heard the same thing... I believe it's true.

    I wouldn't doubt Lenovo THAT much... I'm sure they want to keep the business rolling, so they won't compromise too much (if at all).

    They probably know that their reputation at this point isn't very... well regarded, so I think they're using the Z series as a redemption project.

    I think it will be great :buyIBM: ... or :asus:
     
  26. Henry Su

    Henry Su Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah it would certainly be silly for Lenovo to degrade the ThinkPads by lowering quality, and at the same time keeping the price high. It might do one or the other (IMO, the latter would be the better choice, since that's what ThinkPads have always been known for), but definitely not both, or it would be out of business very soon.
     
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    I'm a fan of ThinkPads for a few reasons.

    First and foremost, the TrackPoint. Not the eraserhead mouse that others have - that's only got two buttons (I use the scroll button a lot), and it's not that good precision.

    Second, the keyboards are AWESOME. Taking one typing test, I got 80 corrected WPM, 84 actual. That's actually FASTER than my Model M benchmark of 71 corrected, 76 actual. (Then again, I'm using this laptop all the time, so I wasn't quite used to the size changes and key stroke depth on the Model M.)

    Third, IBM's support information is very handy. No other manufacturer that I can think of offers disassembly manuals for their laptops. IBM does. Without those, this laptop wouldn't have been repaired, or I'd have messed up in some point in the repair procedure.

    Finally, the build quality is usually quite good. My laptop's been abused, which is why it's dying (stuck line, overheating, damage to the side). However, it would otherwise still be OK.

    My next laptop will also be an IBM/Lenovo.
     
  28. thePCxp

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    I like ThinkPad's for many reasons and I'll here are some that I can think of right now:
    -built and quality
    -keyboard
    -the pointing devices
    -the screen hinges
    -the ThinkVantage technologies that they have (like the ThinkLight, the hard drive Active Protection System...)
    -the black look
    And there is more that I can't think of right now.
    My next laptop is going to be a ThinkPad (and I think that these are the only laptops that I am going to get).
    And if you're going to post bad comments about ThinkPad's, don't do it here (I have already seen come and I don't like those comments :mad: ).
     
  29. goga

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    I work on laptop all the time and sometimes type a lot (even it is slow, 30-45wpm depending on complexity :eek:) and there is nothing I came across that can give me the pleasure to work on as it is on an A30 series laptop. No track pad messing under the fingers, always cool on the top, never issues with anything (4 years straight), was falling, banged against something, slapped around, in cold and heat, 24/7 for several days at a time, vibration in the truck while driving, took it a part just to learn the thing few times due to playing with different screens, CPUs, adding WiFi, antennae, etc.) Did i mention that fan does not go ON if it runs on lower RPMs or in colder room at all! Quiet as nothing else!

    Well, did I mention THE keyboard and silent mouse buttons, yeah, I did, hehehe.

    And for those who's complaining about the price.. I am getting A30 books on eBay for around 300 bux these days for people that need just a working laptop, buying NEC DVD-RWs for them and they have a much better books with SXGA screen than anything in under 1000 bux range. Talk about the overpriced IBMs.
     
  30. MP5

    MP5 Notebook Consultant

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    i know. i believe that they are upgrading it. one easy proof is i keep getting updates on existing accessibm and had 1 new update (scrllock icon).
     
  31. Rahul

    Rahul Notebook Prophet

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    I had used a friend's old 2001 IBM Thinkpad with a Pentium 3 processor and it can built like a tank compared to my HP DV4000. I had to put a lot of force just to make the lcd flex and ripple just a little bit, very, very impressive and I did find the keyboard to be excellent, though I wouldn't say its the best I ever used. I've also just finally seen some of their newer models at Office Depot and am impressed by their build quality and keyboards. I do find their notebooks to be ugly in my opinion except for the Z60T.
     
  32. Cerebral_mamba

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    I just got a T43 when a kind friend let me use his cpp code. From what I have known, despite all the positives of their computers, IBM was a loss running company and I have read some time back in a leading business weekly's review of TOP 100 IT companies that the new Software venture of IBM is what saved it from bankrupsy. Until recently and even still now, without cpp or epp, its not at all worth buying an IBM.

    Their support is pretty bad, many people complain they come with dead pixels etc. They did not give me free shipping despite advertising so b'coz I am in Alaska. All my friends here who purchased Dell, HP, Toshiba etc. got free shipping even when the respective companies didn't advertise it. I just feel it is their least flexible policies that makes it the least successfull ones amoungst all the major computer manufacturers. Keyboard, some nifty software etc. only takes you so far and even though I purchased an IBM, I really wouldn't stand by to say its any value for money. $500 more than a Dell for the same configuration is just a bit too pricy. If not for cpp I couldn't have justified going for it.

    EDIT: The opinions I posted above is just after ordering and before I ever got and used an IBM. Now, having had the system for some time now, it is so much better than anything else I used. It is TOTALLY worth to save up a few more months if you need to and buy an IBM than a Dell or HP that is $500-$700 cheaper - Reason: Unfortunately, you can't really and won't know the difference till you have actually had or used one...
     
  33. MP5

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    oh man
    u shorten keyboard, software as if its pointless, and dead pixels as if it really bogged ibm down ( key is 30 days money back guarantee). so did ibm enter the top 100 it company or not?
     
  34. goga

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    I see many ignorant people come across this post and trying to give their disgust to IBM.

    Dudes and Dudets, please stop and open your eyes! The post says "WHY DO YOU LIKE IBM?".. not dislike, go somewhere else with your dislikes.., you say it is bankrupt... yo, are you nuts, IBM brought everything PC in the world, even MS software that you are using right now was started from an IBM one. Say thank you IBM for having so much love for people to let us use what was designed for "business" only. Well, I guess there will be much pridefool people bushing every living and not living thing but themselves for not being up to their "qualifications".
     
  35. viaj

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    Well, I've just bought one IBM T43 months ago, which is the 1st notebook comes to my life, I've nver had any other notebooks before, but used a few other brands.
    What attracts me most is its quality and the forever-black image, sadly, lenover has just launch Z60, which is available in silver.

    So far, I enjoy working with my T43 except a few things:
    the vent is at the left side, which may be potentially danger -- I used to put my lighter at left side, and u know, sometimes lighters with poor quality explodes... ... I've seen it happen, quite shocking.
    the other thing is only 2 usb available.
    and honestly speaking, I don't like or need the tough pad! Track point and usb mouse are enough. the touch pad sometimes cause mis-tapping when I am using trackpoint.
     
  36. goga

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    Me guessing you can disable touchpad in settings so it would not coase any "trouble".
     
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    firestarter Notebook Evangelist

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    I've never owned an IBM but i used to work on notebooks. Our company used to get many notebooks for repairs but the one notebook that always fascinated me was the thinkpad. The build quality, the insides and the peripherals all were just superb quality. This was back in '98 so i don't know if anything about their quality has changed. I hope not. Even now when i look at laptops to buy for myself, after looking at the Sony's, the Asus, i still keep coming back to the thinkpad.
     
  38. Cerebral_mamba

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    Apologies for going a bit off topic.

    Firstly I had a small laugh reading your post. You are such a die hard IBMer. As the saying goes, everybody is a fool in someone else's eyes.

    I had worked on IBM AS400 systems briefly in the past and they almost came with a lifetime warranty. The system is impervious to tampering and hacking, that’s just the way it’s designed at the compromise of some fancy features and functionalities. IBM used to make their enterprise high computing systems so rugged that companies once who bought them never again needed to replace or fix it. The AS400 has Hardware independent architecture, so you can just pull out the legacy hardware like an aged processor and replace it with a new one and everything works fine. Like wise the software updates cen be done. After almost 50 years of using the AS400 systems, my previous company upgraded to Unix Platform and purchased loads of Dell hardware for that. They also upgraded the backbone to Oracle. That is what other zillions of companies are doing too.

    I totally agree that IBM is THE most influential computer company of the past centaury, but unfortunately that glory is history. With ever rapidly improving and out phasing technology, people want products at competitive prices. Well, I worked for Dell too and that’s where we were lectured about Dell's history. Long back when IBM was the de facto leader in this industry, Michael Dell realized that they were humongous(ly) over priced and one was stuck to choose from the limited computer configurations IBM and others provided. He realized there were huge prospects in buying parts from the manufacturers directly, assembling it to the buyer’s desired configuration and selling it to him/her at a reduced profit margin. He started doing that in his home basement for friends, relatives, neighbors and now, Dell is the world’s largest computer manufacturer both in the Corporate Servers, Mainframes and home computers. I used to remember back in late 90s or so, when I used to check online for computers, it was only besides a Dell that there used to be a button called "customize" and I loved it. It is only very recently that others have caught up.

    I am neither a Dell nor an IBM enthusiast and I feel both of them do some things better than the other.

    Finally, it’s not me, but that magazine that gave reasons of how IBM managed to emerge from really shallow times, particularly after Microsoft took it for a ride. Gates unveiled his Windows 3.1 by riding a bike onto the stage with a windows 3.1 banner flying behind. Seeing that, a top IBM executive burst out laughing and claimed that company has no future and will be history before the next climate change. That was the time when IBM was aggressively developing OS2 as their next generation OS to replace Dos & Windows for good. It’s not long after that IBM reduced from the giant it was to a mere puppet play for Microsoft.

    Microsoft and IBM where togather developing OS2, and Microsoft secretly on Windows. IBM claimed that if Microsoft wanted to go wirk on Windows, then IBM will take full responsability of OS2. They mutually agreed and parted ways. So yes, even IBm has a hand in Microsoft Windows.

    Now, I am not a Microsoft enthusiast at all, but these are just some amusing facts.
     
  39. Cerebral_mamba

    Cerebral_mamba Notebook Consultant

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    That is so comforting to know :) . I hope the new T43 I ordered too is sturdily build as it used to be.
     
  40. romie7

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    I purchased a T42P from IBM cerfitied used division a year ago. I have had problems with this machine since then that includes, replacement of the dvd-r drive, battery, mainboard, and now bluetooth not working. This may sound bad, but actually I have nothing but support for IBM/Lenovo's superior service and reputation. Each time a problem occured on this USED machine, there was a fix (brand new dvd drive, and brand new battery on USED equipment) delivered to my door within 1-2 days. When I had to send it back for mainboad replacement (machine would not power up), a box was delivered to my door the next day and I had my thinkpad back in three days...amazing. Now that the bluetooth is not working, I talked Lenovo customer service into replacing my thinkpad! They are giving me full credit for my original purchase...a year later, and I will be buying a BRAND NEW T43P with 3 yr warranty configured the exact same way as the T42P. (Actually I can't decide between the T43P or z60m) Now you tell me guys, if this is not customer service, I don't know what is.

    Even though I had problems with my 1st thinkpad, it was used and I am completely confident that my next one will be solid!

    What do I love about IBM:

    Outstanding customer service
    "Built like a tank" ...these thinkpads just ooze quality!
    These are bar none the best laptops on the planet
    SECURITY: hardware encryption, the main reason I bought this machine.
     
  41. Karl Gruber

    Karl Gruber Notebook Consultant

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    IBM is makes the best laptops. I like good quality items. I like feeling as if I'm superior to others even more. Owning an IBM and being superior to others go hand in hand. I am a golden god!!!!
     
  42. rz8168

    rz8168 Notebook Consultant

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    quality when i saw T42. but after i saw z60t, i think i'll take it back for a while.
     
  43. hallelujah

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    why I like IBM .... hmmm, let's see

    - first of all, we appreciate a lot a GOOD price/performance ratio down here in yurp ;)
    - couple that with a superb build quality and ergonomics and you get a winner

    However there are also shortcomings:
    on my R50e I see (and also I think) there are a couple of things missing.
    - I miss for sure the hardware ecryption chip (everything is done in software; but who cares about that since the NSA still can read off the contents of your so called "encrypted" harddisk since they got most of the key anyway)
    - I THINK the technology which shuts down the harddisk when the laptop falls is missing also (since I got no software app installed for that particular purpose)
    - no eject button for the ultrabay (you have to get the keyboard out to remove the cd-drive; jeez guys ... looks like crappy chinese ****ty way of thinking ... save on everything)
    - no docking station support (but who needs that **** docking station anyway?)
    - NO MIC (god****it, how expensive is that piece?)

    However I think those downsides are quite justified given the low price I paid for it (that would be exactly 912 american dollars). But let's see what we GOT for that money:
    1,4 ghz celly on dothan core (1 full MB of cache)
    512 RAM
    40 gig harddrive (5400 rpm with an amazing 16 MB of cache - according to toshiba)
    54 mbit bg wireless (with quite good signal characteristics)
    dvd-writer (ultrabay enhanced, +/-, really sweet; pity that it is not rpc1 crackable ;) )
    windows xp home
    thinklight and superb build quality
    how rude of me to forget this - the QUIET fan (compared to my sister's acer that drives me nuts)
    really cool operating temperature (yup ... you cand hold it on your lap and not get impotent)

    In my oppinion I think that with all the listed features lacking, the overall advantage still remains on IBMs side (not to mention the professional look).
     
  44. Karl Gruber

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    I can't believe a R50e owner is posting here talking about superiority. I bought a T43 with integrated graphics and thought I was a cheap skate. Let alone the fact that the previous poster had the Celeron instead of the 1.6 Pentium M processor. The 1.6M version of the R50e can be had for $780.

    When IBM owners speak of the high quality of their thinkpads, you should consider the source when they complain about missing features on their WalMart variant Thinkpad.
     
  45. hallelujah

    hallelujah Newbie

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    Compared to the rest of the cheap offerings, dear Watson.

    Yeah, well that's the US price policy. I'm living in yurp and I love it (only opportunistic morons around, not crazy ones :D ).
     
  46. dr_st

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    There's a Dothan-cored Celeron M? At 1.4GHz? Are you sure it ain't Banias?

    As for the missing features, yeah, they are missing BECAUSE it's the R50e - ultra-budget model.
     
  47. hallelujah

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    Quite sure dude; there are a couple of sources that confirm that:
    - first of all there is the latest cpu-z which identifies the cpu as such
    - second - there is the 1 MB level 2 cache reported by other apps
    - third - the name of the CPU: celeron M360 (however not the J version)

    So tell me, why are you so interested on this matter?
     
  48. waterloo

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    Umm I like it because they can last LONG (quality), price (umm sometimes), strong, etc etc... Makes me look more "buissness"... :p

    I HAVE HAD LESS PROBLEMS WITH IBM THAN ANY OTHER NOTEBOOK I TRIED. I HAVE USED:
    DELL
    COMPAQ
    HP
    TOSHIBA

    Their costumer serivce is nothing compared to IBMs and their quality isn't even near IBMs... For example after few years Dell laptop everytime I push up screen whole laptop moves with it and keyboard parts falling off etc...
    IBM hasn't done that yet. The battery life is also crazy. IBM R40 = 6 Hours on Linux... Dell 9300 2-3(maybe)
     
  49. dr_st

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    No reason. Anyhow, I checked it and you are right. It's a Dothan but with 1MB cache instead of the 2MB cache of the Pentium-Ms. I fancy it's gonna be a bit more efficient than a 1MB cache Banias Pentium-M even.
     
  50. jnlyell

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    it's hard to say why i like it
    maybe just it's because of its black look
     
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