Will Lenovo finally 'get it' that we want higher quality displays?

Not only have they run completely out of the FHD displays for the T510 & W510, now the US site shows a 4-week delay for HD+ displays!

Do you think their inability to stock high quality displays while still fulfilling orders for their lowest quality display will mean anything to the product planners at Lenovo? No matter what the executives say, the market ultimately determines product success or failure...

 

Um, yeah. Lenovo is a major computer manufacturer. Some times there are shortages and long lead times. They manufacture mostly business computers. Business computers have less emphasis on high quality displays and less fluff, just WYSIWYG. If you don't like it, you can either wait 4+ weeks for an HD+ display, get an external monitor, or go with a different brand. It's up to you.

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He's not complaining about the lack of supply...he's using it as evidence to show that we don't want low quality screens in business machines

And by 'we', I mean the group of enthusiasts that buy Thinkpads independently, I figure most of their business comes from supplying entire companies not individuals

 

well the good thing about Lenovo is you get a choice, unlike with Asus or a few other PC manufacturers. The bad thing is that they have shortages of the good stuff but hey be glad there's at least a choice. Or alternatively you can buy the new Dell laptops that just came out or the HP ones.

 

Here's the thing, since no other manufacturers are offering anything markedly better, Lenovo has no incentive to do better. People vote with their dollars and market has trended towards cheaper computers. That's just reality.

 

Well good thing HP stepped up with the Elitebook 8740w and their 10-bit IPS screen...

 

But that is a 17 inch laptop.... do you really think everyone would buy a 17 inch laptop and carry that around with them everywhere just because it has a better display?

 

You can't really generalize like that. Everyone has different needs, so obviously not everyone would opt for a 17". But I believe those that prioritize their screen (such as those that do image work on the go) would be looking for something like that since the next size down that offers similar quality screens would be 12-13" with AFFS+.

 

It's not really IPS. See discussion here:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=86215

Even Lenovo at one point lied that the Samsung PVA screens in their tablet are IPS. What's with these corporations and dishonesty.

 

PVA is still much better than TN, at least.

 

they probably do know that people wants better LCD, but can't do anything for their main T series Thinkpad range, without cost blow out and further delaying delivery of their laptops.

 

Yes, I'd think there's a lot of graphics, engineer, artist type people who would value good display, but they're probably more likely to hook up a good external display. It has always surprised me no one has stepped up to serve this market.

Ensuring a good supply has always been Lenovo's answer as to why they can't offer better displays. I've no way of knowing the validity of this statement. You do get better display options on the tablets, but they're a much smaller market. If you started offering them on the T or X series notebook, supply may be an issue as they sell many of those than the tablets.

While you and some other may care about this, my own experience tells me most people do not. For them cost is the overriding factor and the TN panels being offered now are good enough for them.

Me, I got my FFS R60 and AFFS X200. I should be set for a while.

 

True that Zaz. I got my SXGA+ AFFS X61s and AFFS X200 to keep me warm and cozy for a while

 

I use my x200s a lot, however the screen does not really bother me, because I don't even notice that the screen sucks except if I directly compare it to other screens.

Without comparison, I don't really see any flaws and after comparison I get used to it again really fast.

If I had the option, I would want a better screen (the 1440 x 900 is awesome, however, and that is a thing I do care about), but I don't see it is as problem per se.

 

Like I said, for most people they don't care, but if you've been a long time IPS user, it's hard to use anything else.

 

I'm just glad Lenovo is still offering matte screens.

 

That's a shame, though the companies aren't exactly being dishonest as explained in the link you posted. It's more like using marketing buzzwords to generate erroneous conclusions, which fooled many technically inclined users (since they technically never did say they used IPS).

 

In large companies, business people can want whatever they like, but they'll use the company standard that's placed on their desk and won't have a say in the decision.

 

Flexview RIP (the one 1 I saw one really stands out in my mind). That said, I think Lenovo's screens are fine. The WSXGA screen on my W500 is a vast improvement over the one in my previous laptop and others I've seen. It is an LG so YMMV.

I'd be more concerned if the T and X series go to glossy Hell. THEN we have a major problem.

 

I ditched my thinkpad for an Elitebook for 2 main reasons, poor build(for a business computer), and awful screen.

 

Lenovo have a poor build quality, this the first time I heard about it, could you expand on it.

 

at work we just changed 3000+ users from Lenovo to Elite books too. THe lenovos had constantly dieing fans, video cards and HDD's. So far the ELiteBooks have no issues.

 

what model thinkpads were replaced?

 

These new W/T 510 models are great. Screen quality is very much improved, and build quality is much much higher than previous T400/500 series. Having had my W510 for a week and a half i have been very much satisfied. Improvement over previous versions is huge.

 

That's what I've been hearing too. The HD+ and FHD screens on the new T510 and W510 seem to be very nice. It'd be nice to see IPS displays too, though (seeing as they're making a comeback in the Elitebook 8740w)!

 

I agree with both of these statements wholeheartedly.

 

Woo, how did HP manage to accomplish this?

 

What's WYSIWYG?

 

What You See Is What You Get. No frills, no fluff.

 

Ah, well i have to agree with that. I'll always stick with ThinkPads.

 

New info suggests it might not be a real IPS panel in the 8740w... (but a 10-bit TN panel)

 

The Elitebooks seem nice. A friend just got one from his work. Thinking back to before I originally decided on the T61P (ugh), I had wanted the HP Compaq 8150 (the immediate predecessor to the Elitebook 8350). I'd be concerned about battery life and maybe heat with the Elitebooks.

That said, HP and Lenovo clearly have different ideas when it comes to pricing their business laptops

 

if it wasnt for the middle button, i probably would have gone for an elitebook.

 

the new elitebooks also have the middle scroll button.

 

OK it seems that HP is doing something right there ... Do they offer it on the smaller size elite books ? I don't need 17 inch but 14 inch would be fine. The 12 inch is nice but they really need to throw out the Optical Drive and make it lighter if not I am not really interested ... and the battery life is an unknown to me.

 

it wasnt on the 14 inch model i was originally looking at, and while the 15 inch model had it, it didnt have the fhd screens at the time on the nonworkstation models. at the price i got my t510, im certainly not complaining, but things could have been different if hp had been throwing me rebates.

 

www.hp.com
www.google.com

 

not sure about smaller sizes HP elitebook, the one i seen was in a 17 inch format.

 

Don't you guys think that if HP is successful with the IPS - Lenovo and others will follow?
Just be patient and aware!

 

There's some doubt as the veracity of the claim HP is using IPS screens. I hope they are because that may be the thing that pushes Lenovo to do the same. The 8740w is a niche product, if they were offering on a 14" or 15" model, then it would be noteworthy.

 

Will Lenovo change its screens anytime soon? I heard it was using old inventory and would soon no longer have 16:10 screens for the T410S?

 

Following the trends of 16:9 screens, I wouldn't doubt the T410s being the last 14" model from Lenovo having a 16:10 screen.

 

that is a given....

 

It's a beginner question, but what's good about a 16:10 screen? Will all T410Ss continue to have these?

 

A 16:10 LCD gives you more vertical real estate. For typical notebook PC usage like Office and internet, the vertical resolution is more valuable because the apps tend to be layed out top to bottom. As widescreen notebooks become more ubiquitous that may change over time, but it will take a while. For example a 16:10 WXGA LCD is 1280x800 while a 16:9 WXGA notebook is 1366x768. You're losing 32 vertical pixels, which means more scrolling. Even better is 4:3 like my R60. It has 1200 lines of vertical resolution, which is great for office and internet. It's also good on a 14" because you can get SXGA+, which gives 1050 lines.

 

even better was the QXGA option on the R50p....

 

And a potential benefit of 16:10 on larger displays is the ability to have two documents side by side with relative viewing ease. As you keep getting wider and wider, viewing two documents becomes less useful as your vertical space is getting cut off as ZaZ mentioned.

 

The lcd manufactor should stop narrowing the aspect ratio. I am fine the newer 16:9, but they better not do it again.

 

That won't happen, at least not for a long time. The main driving factor for 16:9 is the HDTV standard, and that hasn't changed.

 

That's one reason, the other reason is that it is cheaper. 15" 16:10 is have bigger screen area than 15" 16:9