X220 IPS Backlight bleed.

1. Ok, first of all does your IPS screen have backlight bleed?

2. Second, describe how bad your backlight bleed is. Attach a picture if you can!

Please answer in same format:

1. Yes.

2. Mine is mostly just one circle in the bottom right of the screen.

 

Yes, about 4 relatively evenly placed blooms across the bottom. They're quite hard to see, although the bottom right bloom is probably thus most noticeable.

Petrov.

 

I put no--but there is one teeny spot at the bottom left corner. I actually think its a figment of my imagination, because no one else sees it.

 

Same here, X220T... Other than that... screen looks great.

 

Can anyone attach a picture of it?

 

Yes. Across the bottom. One spot on the right and 2 on the left. It is weak enough to be tolerable and not noticeable on anything other than a totally black screen.

 

Backlight bleed photo along with ghosting picture. Red arrows are backlight bleed

http://i.imgur.com/wLLD6.jpg

 

Those that are saying no, can we have a picture?

I'm wondering if this should be a warranty issue, can't imagine how mangled my laptop would be if someone had to replace the LCD.

 

I said no in fact I have zero issues with my laptop. how would you like the pic done?

 

Yes. At work so it's not in front of me, but I believe it's 5-6 blooms along the bottom, 2-3 up the left side, and 1 on the right side.

 

Your request was made right below SR45's picture!

The look of the "bleed" is similar; only their locations at the bottom of the screen are different -- or, rather, more or less obvious.

 

Mine was along top and one side, as well as bottom corner.

 

I'm asking if the people who are saying they don't have any bleed to take a picture.

Black background, in a dark room. I have the bleed and mine looks exacting the same.

I don't know if we are expecting too much from an edge lit display, but I'd like to see these supposedly perfect IPS displays.

 

I take that back I do have it along the bottom. however I had to crank the brightness level all the way up and its only visable at the boot screen. I'm not sure what you guys are complaining about I would never have seen this if I hadn't done these steps. in fact after seeing it here I tested my ipad / motor xoom and my Led TV and they all have some sort of bleed with it cranked all the way up on a total black background. I can't think of ever when I'm staring at a total black background nor would I find this a faltered in the glass atleast to me.

 

The relevant word here is "perfect". There is no such thing as a perfect notebook computer. There will always be niggles and flaws.

I was one of the first ones to get an X220. I never knew of any backlight bleed or image ghosting until I had my X220 for several weeks and happened to read someone else's post about it. I venture to guess that most people would never even notice these issues unless they read about them from someone else. Perhaps some weeks or months might go by and then it might happen to catch the owner's eye.

Under the right "test conditions", yes I imagine backlight bleeding and image ghosting will be apparent to some degree. IMO, this should be at most a minor niggle for most users. I would not change my IPS display for a TN display just to eliminate these two issues entirely (if that was even possible). Also, I would not send in my X220 to repair backlight bleeding unless maybe the display bezel was obviously separated from the display at a bulge or something.

 

I noticed both a little ghosting (Vertical line left side of screen) and light bleed. Light bleed was on day one prior to any complaints being posted. Since the light bleed was minor blooms on the bottom, not being noticed when doing actual computing, I did not take second thought until someone said they did not have such bleeding.

As far as the ghosting. I noticed it once the first week, but only slightly and again did not bother with it, until, YES, others mentioned it and others said they did not have it. Than I rebooted the system and saw some more ghosting. I'd rather be one of the members who did not have it at all since that is what I paid for and if others did not notice this, than I to want what they have. Simple. RMA'd the system and hope for a better one next time.

 

Im going to guess pretty much everyone does but it takes what I explained to see it. Some less some more. I seriouly just don't get the it bothers me thing.
Everything from this laptop to my TV has it. Am I expected to send it all back ? I think that would be alittle extreme.

 

True. That's why people with the "less" situation won't be able to relate to those with the "more," or vice versa. Users are just reporting their personal experiences. (I happen to be able to touch and see 3 different X220 notebooks, not just one.)

 

My 30 inch Dell LCD computer monitor, my 46 inch SamSung HDTV and my 24 inch Dell LCD monitor does not have ghosting nor light bleed. If your TV and laptop have it, I would say you are very forgiving and have a high tolerance for imperfection. :wub:

 

My x220 arrived today. I was amazed at how nice the screen is, no dead/stuck pixel, no light leak. The black level was so good that I almost did not notice the screen was on when rebooting (that is when I normally see all the light leak on trash screens). I just reordered for the i7 doorbuster deal so hopefully that one is not gimped.


Thinkpad re-Flexed with a ips screen, priceless...
Compared to my other recent thinkpads that I still own (T400, T410s), this is heaven.

 

I've got the same bleeding from the bottom as everyone else

It doesn't bother me significantly, but I wish it wasn't there. Is it worth shipping my laptop back? I wouldn't say so.

 

I would take a picture for all of you, but my only device that's capable is my iPhone. It'll just confuse everyone since it'll look grainy/fuzzy. I cranked it up on black screen on a fairly dimmed room, I see one TINY bloom on left bottom corner. It hugs the edge and is almost unnoticeable.

If a picture is still wanted, let me know.

 

My bleed is almost identical to this, must be the same batch. The only spots that are noticeable are the two on the left and only if the screen is black. Any others, you have to turn off all the lights and tilt your head at various angles to catch it. I'll have the screen replaced at the local service provider at some point. Maybe after a few months once LG's been producing this screen for a while.

 

just as a side note, it's not uncommon to have backlight bleeding on IPS screns.

my 2 dell 2007wfp screens are both IPS panels. both monitors have some bleeding on the edges.

 

From what I gather, LG, the manufacturer of the IPS screen in the X220, has problems with light bleeding on its panels. It's a really big issue with the iPad2s which apparently all have this problem (just go to the Apple websites and see). LG supposedly fixed this issue around the first week of May so for those of us who got the X220s in late April, we're probably all using defective screens. I think the most prudent thing is to wait a few of months for the manufacturing issues to sort themselves out and for the existing stock of displays to be used up, then send the laptop back for repair. Maybe they'll have fixed the fan issues then too.

 

What fan issue?

My screen bleeds some on the bottom. If I can be arsed to pull the tripod out of my car after work tomorrow, how about I take some decent quality long exposure shots of it?

 

I didn't notice the backlight bleed or ghosting until I saw these posts. I have an x220T tablet. The quesiton I have is this. Is this normal on these devices. Meaning even if I got a perfectly manufactured screen would it have a little backlight bleed and a little ghosting.
In normal use I don't notice either but if one or the other or both represent an actual defect than I would send it back.

 

Not only the IPad 2 but its been reported for those that got the early Samsung Galaxy 10.1 tablet to have light bleed. On the IPad forum, there are still those at this late May of still getting lightbleed screens. They are returning them for a new tablet or a complete refund. Some have returned them multi times now.

Since there are many complaints, I'm glad I returned my X220. Some of you are lucky and got a good screen and some of you just don't care about the light Bleed nor ghosting. To each their own I guess.

 

I've just checked my X220 and screen bleeds too. However, it's barely visible (only if I'm specifically looking for it) on max backlighting and black screen.

This is a no-issue.

 

My X220T does have backlight bleed. Two noticeable areas along the bottom.

I will attest to the tablet having a bit of grain, because the screen isn't nearly as vivid as my 13" Sony Vaio SR.

 

What ghosting.
right click your desktop and click off icons and gadgets
set your desktop wallpapr to solid color dark purple
open a browser with some black text on grey light gray background
turn brightness on max disable screen saver and screen dimmer - let cook for 5 minutes
minimize all the windows and hide the taskbar
see if you see ghosted shadow images from those windows

mine disapear in a minute or two and I never saw them until seeing these posts and setting up these test conditions

 

I don't know much about bleeding and what not and I dont have an X220 yet. Can anyone tell me what this bleeding translates to in real world usage? Does it affect image quality or videos? Will the size of the bleed increase over time?

Thank you

 

For me, it's only noticeable with full screen video that has a lot of blacks in it and even then it's only because I know what I'm looking for.

Otherwise the IPS display is fantastic. The colors, viewing angle, and contrast are light years better than my 13 in MBP and 24 in desktop monitor and it's well worth the extra $50 over the TN panel.

I don't think the size of the bleed will increase over time.

 

That's good to know, thank you. Definitely looking forward to an IPS panel. Also, I heard that there are different levels of quality/types in IPS panels themselves? I am not sure. If that's the case, what kind of panel is in the X220?
Thanks

 

It is probably an e-IPS which is the bottom line but still very good over TN.

 

Question still remains, is that light bleed or ghosting when the X220 was first purchased, does it translate to worse conditions months or a few years from now ?

 

I just got my X220 today...a little bit of backlight bleed on the right corner. It's actually a lot less than the first one I received, which had it all over the bottom of the screen. I'm content.

 

The heck!!!

62% of people have a backlight bleed issue ?????

I thought the IPS were good, this is screwed up....

Maybe I should avoid the X220.....

THE BIG QUESTION: Does this defect get worse over time or it stays the same ???

 

light bleed is common in MANY LCD's, especially IPS. It's not usually bad enough to really detract from anything and isnt a big deal, but alas that doesnt change the fact that it is still there. It does not change over time.

If you must avoid any trace of backlight bleed, that means you need to avoid laptops all together, even LCD desktop monitors, and stick with your old CRT.

 

So say I order one and I'm not one of the 36% of people who don't have back light issues.

I can just get it exchanged right ?? (I'm assuming more than once too...)

 

You might be able to talk them into exchanging or replacing the panel it if it's bad enough, which I suppose is open to interpretation.

I have a bit of bleed, but I only notice it when I boot.

This is just the reality of buying a LCD. Like with stuck pixels, it's not an exact science.

 

I could be wrong, but I believe that backlight bleed in IPS monitors is more noticeable because of the following factors:

-increased backlight intensity compared to other panel technologies
-better black levels compared to say, a TN panel.

I mean, most glossy TN panels produce a sort of grey/glowing image when displaying blacks. You can't notice backlight bleed because you never see a true black image. On IPS panels, the blacks are much deeper, making backlight inconsistencies much more apparent.

 

You can definitely see some bleed in my Dell 22" matt TN.

 

Yep I see a lot of bleed on mine (Dell 19" matte TN), from all four sides. It has a CCFL backlighting on top of it. Even the RGB LED screen has some bleed, but its barely visible as the blacks aren't exactly black (it's a TN screen as well).

But same here, the only time I noticed this is during the boot.

 

I EXPECT PERFECTION. Nothing less.

Sorry but I'm dropping nearly a grand on a lenovo...If I see a single defect, I'm getting it exchanged till it's fixed.

I know it's the same with Apple, any defect and they replace it.

 

Good luck with that one.

 

Don't bother ordering.

Bye.

 

My display looks very much the same as the picture posted before. So I guess I have backlight bleed. But seriously - does anyone notice this at all? I don't. My display will be changed next month because of a pressure spot. I wonder if the new display will be any different.

 

I guess they went with little cheaper IPS displays. It's not that bad, I mean the upgrade costs about $50. You'll get same artifacts on probably most desktop IPS displays as wells unless you are willing to pay a bit more than $200-$300, which is about the price of the cheap IPS.

Really amazing IPS displays are really pricey. Take a look at the price of HP laptop with DreamColor IPS display ($3K) and Dell Precision M4600 with IPS RGB LED. For the latter, the display upgrade is $500 but you need to upgrade the GPU as well to be able to configure it, which is another $500, so we come back to the $3K price range. Unfortunately, high-quality IPS screens are still very pricey.

On the other hand X220 can be configured with somewhat less fancy IPS (but still much better than their old stock TN screens) for what $800-$900. In that respect, it looks like a good deal. I see it more like "IPS for the masses". I guess it's also the fact that for doing stuff that do require excellent color reproduction, you'd need a larger screen as well.... so it's probably not very profitable to stuff 12" laptops with those.

 

The cost to benefit ratio ratio on the X220 IPS is very high. Where else are you going to get something as good so cheap?