Y500 Dual GT650m vs Y500 GT750

Hey guys, I need your help !

*Sorry, but my previous post appears "blank" and nobody can read it...

I've decided to purchase a Y500.
So, today I was checking the Lenovo website and I saw that they give you the option with the Nvidia GT 750 instead of the GT 650.

Lenovo Y500 Specs | IdeaPad Laptop Tech Specs | Lenovo (US)

So, now I'm in a crossroad...
Buy the "older" Y500 with the Dual GT 650 or the one with the single GT 750 ?
Also, do you think they will release a 2nds GT 750 ultrabay to run in SLI like the GT 650ms ?

Thanks !!!

 

I think that as long as they don't change the design of the laptop they will continue to produce the ultrabays with current GPUs.
From what I've seen here the 750m seems to be a major boost over the 650m and even higher than 660m. It's due to higher base clocks and the new GPU boost.

I would recommend to go for the 750m, it looks really good on paper and I don't believe that lenovo will abandon the ultrabays just yet.

Best of luck in your purchase

 

well they still dont support optimus !

 

Get the GT 750m for newer tech for bragging rights and to also avoid the micro stuttering that SLI systems are suffering with.

 

I have to agree that we would think the 750m in SLI likely will be an option. But until it is we could be wrong. But as said also I would get the 750m I think even if I knew SLI was not going to be an option. As said "micro" stuttering and for many other reasons SLI is far from perfect. Not knocking SLI as a way of boosting but I like single card solutions in notebooks.

 

I have a 680m sli set up and never ever see micro stutter.

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It happens when your FPS drops below 30 and since each card renders different part of the screen you experience slight screen tearing.
I honestly doubt that you ever reach below 30 fps on 680m SLI

 

680m SLI and Note II with unlimited data? You are rocking the toys! Not sure any single card solution could match your SLI so you must suffer for the sake of performance I guess.

 

650m sli is better perfomance than one 750m. But like other people said there maybe a 750m sli soon (we have to wait another month at least I'm guessing).

If you want the best of both worlds now (meaning you don't want to wait), I'm sure you could just get the 750m and if you want the extra performance buy a 650m ultrabay gpu for physx (no sli though).

Honestly I would wait if I were you. If they never make a 750m sli then i go 650m sli > 750m.

 

Hello. Just joined up because of this dilemma myself. I've been taking a hard look at buying the Y500 with the GT750M as well. I just cannot make up my mind, and the sale at Lenovo ends today. $899 for the GT750M model.

I can wait if there's going to be a better deal coming along within the next couple of months, but this seems like a really good price. Is it a good idea to pass it up and wait for something better at this price point?

 

I'm also facing this issue. The Y500 seems to be the most mobile gaming laptop under 1500 I can find, and if the 750m comes with optimus I'd probably be sold on it. Anyone think within the next 2 months they'll put in optimus?

 

There must always be a better deal coming along within future time

However gt 750m seems like nvidia's mid-range until 2013 is over.. i am sure that, i7 + gt 750m + FHD configuration will be priced around $900-1200 throughout 2013 based on different manufacture and other system configurations e.g HDD, RAM, etc.

Try to look at y500 in local stores, if you are sold then go for it. Having seen y400 myself, i just could not stand the glossy display and its bezel finish.

Good luck

 

Source: Anandtech

740-750M is using existing same old Kepler parts (GK107 chip) from last year used to build the 640M LE- 650M but of course, with the feature tweaks and enhancements including higher factory clocks and lower power consumption. In essence, it seemed a lot more like minor tweaks. So if you need a laptop soon, not worth the wait imo.

For the GK208, the way Anandtech portrays it appeals more like its going into the ultrabook & ULV segment, GK208 does not seem like it'll go into 740-750M. But GK208 seems promising for what it can do for the thin and light.

Then again if GK106 becomes a 750M I don't know, but there could be increased power consumption, larger chip.

If you're in to power efficiency and such,750M takes the cake. If you want to pay less and if you've attempted with overclocking and bios modding etc, 650M with that price looks like a better choice given the fact that they're running on the same GK107 hardware.

On a side note, the current 650M in ultrabays seemed to suffer from severe throttling in some conditions if you looked at more reviews. Hopefully this can be fixed with drivers.

 

I ordered Y500 with single 650m and 720p screen few days ago which arrived on 10th of April. I didnt like the 720p screen and wanted to return it right away to order 1080p screen laptop.
I found out that within a day they changed their deals. $850 pricepoint laptop was carrying 650m was now carrying 750M. So I called teh customer support.
I wanted to order this new laptop with sli. The tech told me specifically that the ultrabay module that comes for the Y500 will work in sli with 750m also. Just so you know that you will have to shell another 250 or so bucks in addition to your laptop for ultrabay and bigger adapter to run both gfx cards. The good thing is that they were ready to give me 10% discount on accessories which you can also get.

I hope that helps a lot of questions in this forum unless that customer rep was wrong which doesn't seem.

Like someone also said that there will always be deals man so take your time in making decision. At 850 price point it seems like a good deal. BTW I like the laptop but Windows 8 gave me cancer within 1 day of using it.

 

Yeah, I actually already ordered it on Wed. With the price drops, coupons, and affinity program, the deal was just too good to pass up. I ended paying $906.12 after California tax for the 750m model with the extra 16GB SSD cache drive. I figure I have 30 days to return it if something better comes along within that time. But, after reading so many forum posts and articles, I think it'll be a decent laptop for a while. I've read that the trackpad issues have been fixed with the later models. Apparently they've switched to Synaptics. This is what I've read on the forums, but I can't confirm it.

I plan on picking up 16GB of memory from Newegg for $99 (or more likely, I'll wait for a Slickdeal on the memory... I've seen 16GB go for $50 shipped) and selling the 8GB installed. I may also toss the 1TB drive on Ebay and pick up an SSD for the main drive as well. Possibly just a 128GB SSD for about $109.

 

I ordered the Y500 with the single 750m configuration yesterday. Does the 10% off on the GN37 (750m Ultrabay) apply to everyone who places an order? Has anyone gotten more than 10% for an additional GPU?

I was in Chat with a Lenovo sales rep and I was told that the Y500 single GPU laptops are shipping with the 170W AC/Adapter.

 

Wait, what is this GN37 you speak of?

 

It's the Lenovo part# for the 750m GPU. It's not available for order on their website but I assume you could order it thru sales.

 

Let me rephrase. The GN35 is something I'm fully aware of and that is easy to find with a quick google search - its the 650M ultrabay. Before ordering my Y400 with a 750M, I looked all over to see if they had added the ultrabay 750M solution yet, including several conversation with people at Lenovo. The short (and long) answer was "no." So I guess I'm not asking exactly what the GN37 is, since you sort of spelled it out, but rather where you found it as I haven't been able to so far.

 

The Lenovo chat told me that the GN37 is the 750M GPU for the Y500. They've giving wrong info before but that's what he told me during a chat session.

 

Sadly I went down this rabbit hole with another Lenovo sales rep last night. In order, I was told:

1) There is no such thing as a GN37. It simply does not exist.
2) There are no SLI options for any new models (Y400 or Y500) with the 750M.
3) Oops, there is indeed a Y500 with SLI 750Ms, but the second 750M is not in a removable ultrabay.
4) Oops again, the second 750M in the dual graphics Y500 is in the ultrabay after all and the item is a GN37.
5) No such similar item exists for the Y400 (ok, this one I can believe since they aren't offering a dual graphics Y400 yet).

Then the guy finally gave up and passed me over to someone who he claimed was much more knowledgeable specifically about the SLI options. From there I got:

6) No SLI options exist for ANY model with a 750M and this rep knows for sure that Lenovo does not plan to support SLI 750Ms in the future. Not that he wasn't sure, or just didn't have word yet, but that the company has already told him that they will NOT support SLI for any 750M systems (yep, pointed out that the first rep and I already covered this, and directed him to the model that lists dual graphics in the title).
7) Oops, SLI is available in that one model, but there will be no option ever to buy an ultrabay with a 750M for either the Y500 or Y400.

So ya, I gave up. Should know by now that the sales team doesn't actually know anything, but it's still discouraging. I'm still operating off my gut telling me that they will eventually release ultrabay modules purchasable for both Y400 and Y500 with 750M in them, but who knows. My ordered of the Y400 shipped, so I will give it some time to see if any news surfaces. If not and a month approaches, I'll probably send it back.

 

SLI is only for the older Y500 models with 650M. the current Y500s with 750M are not SLI. they claim dual graphics. but that could mean integrated intel HD with Nvidia. The specs of Y500 don't mention there are indeed 2 nvidia chips.

also no way a 750M can compete with SLI 650M. Nvidia newer drivers have solved the sli issues as per some member on lenovo forum

 

Well let's not use a double standard. It's true that purely based on what's on the website one can't definitively say the dual graphics model is SLI, but your absolute statement of "SLI is only for the older Y500 models with 650M," is likewise just a guess. It may be SLI or one discrete card + one integrated.

It is hard to believe that the idea of the GN37 was just created ex nihilo though. At least a handful of people have had sales reps tell them the dual graphics model has the GN37 in place of the DVD drive (and that at least is partially supported by the fact that it's the only Y500 without an optical drive). Now of course I'm not saying sales reps know what they are talking about (see my post above), but I just find it unlikely that they made the whole GN37 thing up.

 

I was just told that ALL the Y400s/Y500s with the 750m on the Lenovo site that are for sale are already SLI... kinda makes me think is these guys don't know what they are talking about...

 

They probably meant to say SLI Ready.

 

Yea, probably Hopefully they can get their return systems up so I can return the one I just got 3 weeks ago for the newer model and hope that they will have a 750m ultrabay out soon.

 

in the lenovo website it says they already have it.... there is an option to get the 750 SLI...

 

Can't seem to find it on my end. You mind linking please

 

Hey guys, do you have any idea of there's other website selling the GT750M versions?

I'm not being able to purchase à Lenovo.com because my cc is not issued in US. It's international thou... I can purchase @ ebay

Thanks

 

same question here

Enhance your IdeaPad Y500 Laptop - Dual Graphics - 59371963 - Dusk Black | Lenovo | (US)

 

Amazon just sold out of the popular i7 SLI laptop and now show a 1-2 month wait. I'd give it about 3-4 weeks before Amazon stocks the 750m SLI. At least i'm hoping that's the case.

 

Damn. So my y500 with single 650m came 10 days ago, and I check the website and they already rolling out models with better gpu just barely 2 weeks after I got mines :/

I kind of want to return the y500 and get the y400, kind of wanted a smaller laptop. New gpu is def added incentive. Seems like some ppl here had success with returning their laptops back to lenovo, What is the return policy like at lenovo ? Can i still
return it? its been 10 days since it came.


Also hope someone can clarify if the gt750 can indeed be sli ready or not? Seems someone posted a rep saying it would not be able to have duo gt750 cards but then again those reps usually have no idea they are talking about most of the time.

 

The new Y500 does indeed have confirmed dual GT750 SLI. It is printed on their official website.
When you go to their products comparison page for all their various y500's configs for sale, if you clicked the "show all model differences below" button, if you looked under the "optical device bay" category, you will see that under the Dual graphics option column the description states "Ultrabay SLI Graphics - NVIDIA GeForce GT750M GDDR5 2GB"

 

You are within the return window so I would call them .

 

I just returned mine on Sunday. It was 19 days from when I bought it (21 days is their return policy). Its free, they give you a UPS thing to print out, pack it up, and head down to your local UPS store and just hand it to them. Easy peasy. All you have to do is tell them what you just said. "Bought yours 2 weeks ago, and now a new one came out". They guy I spoke to knew what I wanted to do since many have done it already.

 

Did they charge a restocking fee? They seem to be pretty firm on that only if it's their mistake to they waive the 15% restocking fee. I guess it's to cut down on the buy and try.

 

Also, twice the power-draw..

 

Speculated GK106 (most probably one with many parts of the GPU disabled like a floor sweeper model to sell out those that cannot run at full specs). Could be a same old GK107 too.

 

No restocking fee if within the 21 days. :thumbsup:

 

So I ordered the newer Y500 on Monday. It said it would ship on May 3rd and to my surprise it shipped yesterday for delivery tomorrow. I really was hoping for a delay because I couldn't find anywhere if I could purchase the second video card separately and I wanted time to think it over. I didn't want to fork over the $1150 for the dual card version because I was already planning on putting a 256GB mSata in the bay and 16GB of Ram is overkill. So now I'm in trouble because the laptop is here and there is no 2nd card available(or word if there will ever be one). According to the un-knowledgeable rep I S/W on the phone, the GN36 will work for GT650M and GT750M. To me, that sounded crazy so I hung up...

So my question is, will they charge a restocking fee if I return it because there's no word on the card? Does it have to be sealed in the box to not have the fee? I'm not too thrilled with the people I've been getting on the phone. I have a bad feeling I made a mistake buying straight from them lol

 

No, just go into a chat session and tell them what you just said and they'll transfer you over to post sales. That rep will issue you an RMA and instruct you to accept the delivery and to contact them and they'll arrange for a free pickup and once they receive the item they'll give you a full refund. :thumbsup:

You could also try it and if it's not what you want you can return and get a full refund. Either way you won't be charged a restocking fee, Just get an RMA and you're good.

 

I wanted to buy a gaming laptop, but then someone told me to wait till haswell release so I waited to see how things change. At first I was attracted towards the y500 with 650m sli they have been selling on the amazon. Weeks after that I saw Asus G75vx on bestbuy for $1250 with 670mx and that was a killer deal. Now recently Lenovo comes out with 750m SLI & I think my balance just hit the right spot.
So does anyone bought the lappy?

 

sell it to me, i need it to the next week...

 

Oh, right. So maybe an underclocked kit with a 50-60w roof, but more shader units (and idle draw lower than the quadro cards)? That'd be useful.

 

I sent mine I ordered in February back and received a full refund. My new one is due to ship tomorrow.

If you're wondering, I RMA'd the previous one due to keyboard issues in April, so they let me return it beyond the 21 days.

 

Can someone confirm what exactly i will be getting with the following model...especially related to graphic card

IdeaPad Y500 Laptop- 59371965

It says, above product comes with GT750M ? Does the above come with an ultrabay and removable graphic card (from ultrabay) or it is a fixed 2gb graphic card inside the laptop?? Also, does this have SLI??

Also, is it better going for existing GT650M or the new GT750M....i believe that earlier they used to offer GT650M with SLI and removable ultrabay graphics card for $849..am i right??

Some one please clarify ASAP...i am thinking of getting one....

 

I believe it is an ultrabay. Also at the moment there is no GT750m for ultrabay(unless you buy the one that already has it installed for $1150). Although they will probably sell it in the future. As for the Gt 650mSLI, yes it is better than a single 750m. I believe its up on new egg for $900(i5 cpu though if you want i7 it'll be $1000).

 

Oh that means i won't be getting an SLI Ultrabay graphic card(GT650 SLI) with the above mentioned model...am i right??..if so what will be there in the ultrabay?? please clarify??

 

..um..well, the Ultrabay dock is really a pci-e 2.0 interface. And the gn36 package is a proprietary format that only fits into that particular model. But, it is replaceable, and could potentially be very useful. The gn36 dock bay.. thing.. contains a 650m/kepler/gk107 based nvidia card. It's likely produced separately from the laptop motherboards, but it clearly won't cost a fortune to "update" the specs here either. Experience says this is not going to happen right away, though.

Anyway. The 750m is also a gk107 based card, but has better power management, (and automatic overclock depending on how well the cooling works.. this.. is not necessarily a good match for an sli setup, but it's probably never going to perform below a certain limit. And likely that limit will normally approach a 650m that's overclocked until the print is smoking - and therefore perform faster than a standard clocked 650m (the question is how the variable peak speeds will affect SLI performance).

So. What you have is two gk107-based cards, with the same amounts of shaders, and similarly fast interfaces to the bus, one slotted in via a pci-e 2.0 interface.. with a proprietary bay solution, and the other slotted to the motherboard via another somewhat less obscure proprietary variant of pci-e.. mxm.

Meaning that these cards are matched well, and don't have massive performance differences. And that would be necessary a few years ago to get any sort of performance increases for SLI setups. Now, not necessarily to that degree, thanks to better constructed drivers. So short of a disaster happening with the dynamic clocking (which surely can be turned off anyway), this is going to work well, and it's highly unlikely that miniscule differences in clock speed is going to be more significant than number of shaders - which are the same on both models.

The question is, if it's conceivable that in the future, Lenovo might offer Ultrabay upgrades, so you can add a faster card to the same setup. And that's interesting.

How that will perform.. not sure. Imagine having a reasonably fast, but fairly power-efficient main card (like the 750m) -- that offloads shader operations to the second card dynamically. And that this second card is a board with massive amounts of stream-processors, but which doesn't have very high memory frequency, and therefore runs power-efficiently as well? An sli-setup that can run full burn, while downclocking the "slave" card? It's conceivable, but will it happen? Would you need a new power-supply for the default setup, making the default setup impossible to insert in an old laptop? Would you need to force-flash the roms to get around the standard setup, to get it to work then..? Write your own drivers from the metal and up? Not easy to say..

What's easy to say is that the single 750m or 650m card are perfectly good cards alone. And that adding another does ideally give you twice as many shader operations as before. In practice, some one and a half times the performance of one card. Which translates to for example: being able to run The Witcher 2 in ultra/720p, or in 1920x1080 with medium->full + AA at steady 30+ fps - rather than barely above 30fps in High on 1280x720. All games that rely on well-programmed, threaded shader allocation will see the same type of performance increase, as in nearly twice the number.

And this is definitely worth it for a gamer, who wants an otherwise light laptop with fairly silent cooling. Basically, you can expect anything from 1.3-1.8 times the original performance. Typical games flat out at 1.5, thanks to the way they're made (same tendency you see when running apu/dgpu in crossfire). And that's excellent. But I'm wondering if it really is such a good idea over buying a laptop with a better single card. After all, even if the y500 is slimmer than most designs - it's not the lightest or thinnest. So could this be a great idea when viewed purely from a gaming perspective - in that you're able to add graphics performance by switching out some other accessory you might be needing when not gaming? A bit inconvenient if you switch all the time, maybe.. To me that's essentially dependent on if it will be possible some time in the future to add a better card in the Ultrabay slot. So that you at that time will have one stupendously fast, as well as slim, gaming laptop. But that is completely unknown.

And now I've filled an entire page with flap. So I'll stop.

 

More or less an unbelievably awesome post. I have a y500 with 750m SLI on the way.