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    choosing between CCFL vs High Nit w/ LED Backlight

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by maluskeeter, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. maluskeeter

    maluskeeter Notebook Consultant

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    I've heard some say that the difference between CCFL and LED backlight screens are so minor that its not worth it. What does everyone think? I want a clean, crisp look but I am unware if the LED backlight & High nit option will do that? (some say that the LED gives you a headache)

    Also, whats the difference between high nit and CCFL?

    Can anyone post some pictures of these two screens, if you have them?

    I'm trying to make a purchase soon and I'm stuck between these two:

    14.1 WXGA+ TFT, w/ CCFL Backlight, Camera [$add 51.00]
    14.1 WXGA TFT High Nit, w/ LED Backlight [add $127.50]
     
  2. allfiredup

    allfiredup Notebook Virtuoso

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    The WXGA+ (1440x900) CCFL display is the one I'd choose, solely for the higher resolution (can see more on the screen, although icons and fonts are slightly smaller). It stinks that Lenovo recently stopped offering the WXGA+ LED due to supply issues. Hopefully it will be available again soon!

    Display brightness is rated in nits ( more info). The WXGA+ CCFL is 200-nit, the WXGA+ LED (not currently available) is 250-nit and the High-Nit WXGA LED is 680-nit. The high-nit display is particularly useful for outdoor use. I'd imagine it needs to be turned down to minimum brightness for routine indoor use....

    If you don't have a particular need for the high-nit display, save some money and get the high-res CCFL instead.
     
  3. maluskeeter

    maluskeeter Notebook Consultant

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    but the 2nd option does offer LED. ??
     
  4. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    I think it depends and JonLumkpin has explained this to me ... screen size etc. I don't think I would ever for an X200 series with 1440 x 900 screen, the letters would be just too tiny. My choice will be an X200s with the 1280 x 800 screen or alternitavely the X301 (13 inch - 1440 x 900). I am not too bothered about a super screen and I don't like glossy screens at all.
     
  5. slow4runner

    slow4runner Newbie

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    I guess I'm one of the lucky ones to have a WXGA+ LED backlight T400 (I have 4 more on the way).

    Dare I say that sometimes, it's a little TOO bright for me. I either have to angle it back a little or turn down the brightness. But all in all, I'm pretty happy with it.
     
  6. g_e_young

    g_e_young Notebook Enthusiast

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    I would wait for the higher resolution LED, personally. LED use 30% as much electricity and from what I've read are much more reliable. There's little doubt that's where laptop displays are heading....

    g-
     
  7. allfiredup

    allfiredup Notebook Virtuoso

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    The display is responsible for about 43% of power usage, based on the following chart - LINK

    LEDs have been reported to use up to 47% less power than similar CCFL displays at maximum brightness. It stands to reason that any significant reduction in battery usage should start with the display.

    Dell plans at least 80% of their laptops to have LED displays by the end of 2009. During 2010, 100% of their laptops will be LED. DELL-LED article

    Lenovo will have lilttle choice but to follow their lead. Interestingly, the majority of the IdeaPad consumer notebooks have standard LED-backlit displays. The S10 netbook, Y430, Y530 and Y650 and U330 notebooks all have standard LED-backlighting. The upcoming Y450 and Y550 will almost certainly have the same.
     
  8. razmatazz999

    razmatazz999 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Same decision as you...I am going with the WXGA+ CCFL instead of the WXGA LED
     
  9. perfectionseeker

    perfectionseeker Notebook Evangelist

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    Well I have never tried the LED screens ...but I know that extra "glare" will have a effect on some, it certainly does on me. So glossy and high resolution are no good for me when spendinf at least 4-5 hours a day looking at the screen. I don't want to squint and see what may be on my 1440 x 900 screen. Hey great for movies and graphics work, apart from that it is something that is not very useful. Can someone explain to me why they cannot invent a technology that makes web pages especially look exactly the same (with bigger letters) on 1440 x 900 or higher resolutions ? I mean everything else you can zoom in ...but web pages just look horrible
     
  10. zenit

    zenit Notebook Evangelist

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    how are the viewing angles/colors on the CCFL panel?
    Also who makes the panel itself?
     
  11. Slugur

    Slugur Notebook Enthusiast

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    Have you tried "ctrl +"?
     
  12. rudyo

    rudyo Notebook Enthusiast

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    I was thinking the same thing as Slugur...just zoom in. I use ctrl + rolling the mouse scroll button (same effect as ctrl and + or - ) and it does a wonderful job of zooming in and out on any webpage...invaluable!
    Personally I can't imagine NOT going with the 1440x900 screen.
     
  13. razmatazz999

    razmatazz999 Notebook Enthusiast

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    ya the high resolution really depends on the person... i recently started using a SXGA+ screen and although everything was much smaller, it was more clear, and I had more real estate to open windows to do multiple things.
     
  14. AuroraAlpha

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    Websites are designed in many different ways, and most sites that are really 'cool' are designed on massive amounts of layering and size constraints. Sizes can be set in pixels, percentages, or em. Should the board change from 1 pixel to 2 pixels, or should it stay the same while you make text bigger? And most modern sites have tons of pictures embeded into the page. How do you change them without destroying their sharpness (hint: not yet possible).

    Basicly, websites are not designed well in terms of scaling. They are mostly based on pixel sizes, and thus get smaller as resolution goes up. If we really wanted good website scaling it would have to change to some type of vector format, which would be very hard to design for even with an entire revolution of design standards.
     
  15. LoveNotebooks

    LoveNotebooks Notebook Evangelist

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    I have to agree here with perfectionseeker & AuroraAlpha, the web-html-text-pics is not a high res app & still too often looks too small on high res screens (i.e. scaling does not seem to resolve the problem well enough).
     
  16. nomoredell

    nomoredell Notebook Deity

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    based on 3 laptops i bought from dell all with +led:
    dell studio 15 wled 1280 and dell 1737 rgb led 1920x1200hd and inspiron 15 wled 1368.
    studio 15 & 17 is truely led, as claimed brighter and more vivid colors.
    wled on inspiron 15 is a fasle advertisement, only brighter than ccfl no color reproductions at all.
    real led does worth the premium price. it depends on the models.
     
  17. LoveNotebooks

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    What about the all reported headache issues with LED vs CCFL? {or is it a significant personal issue like the Matte Vs. Glossy issue?}
     
  18. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I'd say the headache thing is personal.
     
  19. ibm meister

    ibm meister Notebook Enthusiast

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    I have the LCD wxga+ In typical Lenovo style, they always run out of or discontinue the best stuff. This screen is the best Think pad screen ever out of:

    i1200 Pre - TFT Dual Scan
    A22e
    T40
    T60
    R400

    Now.. if Lenovo can let the air out of the size of the chassis, and put the + LCD screen together, you got a real winner!