dell xt2 1.6ghz vs lenovo X200t 1.8ghz

hey guys,
I want to buy a tablet and finally my 2 possible choices are the LENOVO X200t or the DELL XT2.
the xt2 is very exiting with its REAL multi touch screen but the X200t is more powerful.

that's why I would like to compare the power of the 1.6ghz(ULV) in the XT2 and the X200t which has 1.8ghz(LV).
(I already saw benchmark with the xt2 1.2ghz but since the 1.6ghz exists...it would more fair to compare it to the x200t)

thanks!
ps:if anybody experienced both and has some comments, FEEL FREE!Big smile

thx

 

No, the X200T has multitouch, now:
http://www.thinkpads.com/2009/09/15...-with-multitouch-displays-interface-software/

 

Also keep in mind that the FSB of the LV processor is like that of NV processor (1066Mhz) whereas for the ULV process it's 800Mhz.

 

I'm not sure exactly what comparison you would like. The SL9400 will obviously be faster than the SU9600 due to the extra 260MHz frequency, extra 233MHz FSB, and 6MB (vs. 3MB) L2 cache. However, you may not notice any difference in day to day usage.


One other thing to keep in mind. The Dell XT2 uses an N-Trig capacitive touch digitizer that does NOT support pressure sensitivity in Photoshop, GIMP, etc. The x200 Tablet has four different screens, all with Wacom digitizers (more common standard, support in Photoshop and other apps). The newest, and most expensive, display supports two finger touch and allows for the Win7 multi-touch enhancements.


Other things:

I'm pretty sure the Dell XT2 uses a TN panel (albeit an above average one). Conversely, the x200 Tablet uses a superior S-PVA panel (better viewing angles, contrast, etc).

The x200 Tablet has superior input devices (keyboard/trackpoint) and is also more rugged than the XT2.

I believe the battery choices also differ. The x200 Tablet has a 4 cell and 8 cell option. The Dell XT2 only offers a 6 cell and I believe its weight falls squarely between the 4 cell and 8 cell options for the x200T.

The Dell XT2 also has a 1.8" drive bay. This allows for some good SSDs, but the hard drive options are rarer, pricier, smaller, and slower than the 2.5" options for the x200 Tablet.

 

Again, nope. The outdoor viewable display is the most expensive. Just taken from the stock US customization webpage:


Display Help me decide
12.1" WXGA LED Panel with Wide viewing Angle
12.1" SuperBright WXGA LED Panel with Wide viewing Angle [add $75.00]
12.1" Enhanced Multitouch WXGA LED Panel with Wide viewing Angle [add $200.00]
12.1" SuperBright Outdoor Viewable WXGA LED Panel with Wide viewing Angle [add $250.00]

Otherwise, I agree with what's been said.
As far as the two chips go, determine based on your usage. If you're going to do much in the way of CPU intensive tasks, the extra $75 for the better chip is totall worth it, IMHO. But if you're only really going to use the machine for word, excel, email, web, and note-taking/simple drawing (you are getting the tablet, after all), then you might not need the extra processing power, and the lower-voltage battery-life savings might be worth it.

 

Isn't the X200 Tablet still capped at 1.5Gbps Sata or is it 3.0Gbps for the new ones? The Dell ones are 3.0 from what I understand (could be wrong though)..

 

where did you find these prices? i went on the website but couldn't find any of this.
does anybody know when we will be able to buy the new REAL multi touchon ebay(official reailers etc etc)?

 

thx a lot for all there precisions!
I kind ofknew all of this but now I would have an idea of the performances of each laptop, just curiosity.
moreover, these videos gave me the idea about ntrig multitouch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5vd-kEU0cE&feature=channel_page

finally, about the multitouch on the X200t, i saw it a while ago already, this is not a surprise but before we find those models on ebay...

 

Go to the lenovo X200T webpage, here:
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...76204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D&menu-id=products
and the click on one of the configure buttons, takes you to something like:
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...001BF1:&smid=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D
Scroll down a page, the default for me was the superbright (not the cheapest).

What part are you asking about? The display only? No clue; it's probably not worth the extra expense/hassle/etc. to upgrade yourself. The entire computer? Not sure, why do you want to know? I'd say not for a bit, but people on ebay try to sneak in early. But if you want one now, get it now. Don't bother waiting for the small discounts and added sketchiness/risk to get it from ebay.

 

PEM69:
my question is: do they ship the new multitouch x200t now? (many finger at once)
and the discount are not small on ebay...many hundredsof dollars saved compared to the website and even the outlet webstore.(and I don't think it's risky since the box is sealed with 3year warranty, am I right?

 

Well, it's listed on the website, and doesn't say anything about a shipping delay (as some items do), so I would assume yes. You could also call up sales to confirm this.

In general, boxes aren't "sealed with a warranty", and you're not even guaranteed that a machine sold on ebay is brand new (so it may not be sealed by lenovo). The standard warranty is 1 year, with mail-in service, but you could always upgrade this yourself, at a later date.

Looking on ebay at the T400s (also released recently), I'm not seeing particularly big discounts for most of the machines. The bit of variance is depending on the parts included, but they don't seem hundreds of dollars cheaper, certainly not after you take into account the usual online discounts. I'd be willing to pay the extra $50 or so for peace of mind (and owning it sooner), but I'm not sure which country you're buying from; there might be bigger costs.

 

Maybe I'm confused, but I was under the impression that the SuperBright Outdoor viewable IS the 2-finger touch display and the $200 Multi-touch is the older resistive model. Is this correct, or has the older dual mode active/resistive display been completely discontinued.

Part of the reason for my confusion is this hands-on with the x200T Outdoor WXGA LED Panel. As you can see it lacks the frameless border of the pen only models, so I assumed it was also touch. If this display is not touch, I would say it's vastly overpriced, and poorly named, as the regular "12.1" SuperBright WXGA LED Panel with Wide viewing Angle" frameless (my display) is very bright and generally usable outdoors.

EDIT - I just did some digging through the newest version of the Tabook and found some things:

Under - "ThinkPad® X200 Tablet (7450) - September 2009"

Outdoor: 12.1" (308mm) WXGA (1280x800) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
400 nits, 16:10 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, 1.2% reflectivity, multiple
anti-reflectivity layers, IPS
MultiTouch: 12.1" (308mm) WXGA (1280x800) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
270 nits, 16:10 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, IPS,
MultiView (indoor/outdoor), enhanced MultiTouch (touchscreen support
pen & two-finger touch)

Older Models:

Some: 12.1" (308mm) WXGA (1280x800) TFT color, anti-glare, CCFL backlight,
190 nits, 16:10 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, FFS, frameless screen
Some: 12.1" (308mm) WXGA (1280x800) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
285 nits, 16:10 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, IPS, frameless screen
Touch: 12.1" (308mm) WXGA (1280x800) TFT color, anti-glare, LED backlight,
230 nits, 16:10 aspect ratio, 500:1 contrast ratio, IPS,
MultiView (indoor/outdoor), MultiTouch ( touchscreen via finger and pen)

Therefore, it appears that there are a total of five different displays available for the x200 Tablet w/ four of them currently offered by Lenovo (the older resistive Multi-touch is only through resellers of the earlier topseller models). The new "Enhanced MultiTouch" display is 40 nits brighter than the old one and may have higher quality (there were some complaints of grain on the old multi-touch model). Additionally, the new outdoor display has 115 nits more than my display and "1.2% reflectivity, multiple anti-reflectivity layers" for whatever that's worth.

Also, as a side note although 4 of the 5 displays claim to be IPS they should probably be labeled S-PVA instead (although I'm just guessing about the newest two options).

 

To remind the newest Superbright one comes without frameless design.

Im just trying to guess why Lenovo went this way?

Any ideas ?

 

My best guess would be that the "multiple anti-reflectivity layers" prevented the frameless design or that they determined that frameless was somehow less ideal for outdoor viewability (e.g. prevented "1.2% reflectivity"). However, I'm just guessing on these points.

 

Your way of confirming (Tabook) was far better than my method - I just picked the model specifically advertising multi-touch:
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...0027C6:&smid=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

And compared against which screen it had.

 

the X200t is a montevia chipset and it allows the full SATA2 speed, it is also why Lenovo moved the ultrabay connector from PATA to SATA version.

 

I couldn't find anything on the Lenovo site showed this information nor anyone who had a SSD installed in the X200 Tablet getting full speed benefits from Sata 3.0.. I thought that they were capped at 1.5 where the Dell models were not.

 

only the T61, T60, R60, R61, Z61, X60, X61 and their respective tablet versions are limited to the 1.5 Gbps transfer speeds, since lenovo said that there is stability issues and power usage issue with mixing PATA and SATAII together.

I know for a fact that all Montevina chipset Thinkpads have SATAII support, i will dig through my posts on Lenovo.com forum for you.