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    mobile i7

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Mandrake, Sep 15, 2009.

  1. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Rumors of mobile i7 notebooks are now popping up. HP, Dell and Clevo seem to be ready to release new systems soon with it.

    Any rumors/news for lenovo regarding mobile i7?
     
  2. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    So tantalisingly close, yet probably so expensive.
     
  4. Mandrake

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    hmmm, so either get one of the offerings coming soon or wait until January. Now would it be too much to ask for a 15" AFFS+ screen?
     
  5. furrycute

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    If Lenovo would put that 12inch tablet screen on a regular x200/s, I am sure many people would pickup an x200/s in a heartbeat, myself included.

    To be honest, I am sick and tired of my current 13inch Sony high res screen. I very much like to see an IPS quality (I know, the current 12inch screen only uses a PVA panel, but it's still better than the regular TN) standard res 12inch screen on a non tablet notebook.
     
  6. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    I hear ya. I still have my T60p and haven't been willing to upgrade to a new Thinkpad because of the screen options.
     
  7. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Well, I hope LEDs become standard on Lenovo, and the BQ of the T400s on all (plus the design, which I am really fond of)
     
  8. thinkpad knows best

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    my guess is that if Lenovo ever releases any notebooks that has the i7 Mobile let alone a ThinkPad with the i7 it will be a totally new product line.
     
  9. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Why do you say that?
     
  10. thinkpad knows best

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    I guess this corelates to your topic but i just think it is such a gap between Core 2 Extreme (Quad) and the i7 which i think is a totally new architecture, that they will need to introduce a whole new line that is Ultra ultra extreme. I'm also curious as to if hyperthreading will still appear in the mobile flavor since hyperthreading mysteriously upps the power consumption if it is enabled, which the i7 currently uses.
     
  11. sgogeta4

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    Do you have any idea what you are talking about... All the new i7s have hyperthreading and all the Thinkpads will have them in 2010. Search the thread and you will find the roadmap with the Lenovo refreshes. They're also not that much better than the current Core 2s in majority of applications.
     
  12. Renee

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    Hyperthreading isn't mysterious, it's almost an additional processor, 2 if the processor in question is a dual processor.
    Renee
     
  13. Lostinlaptopland

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    Hehe, I had a notebook with a 3.2ghz P4 in it that had hyper-threading.
     
  14. sgogeta4

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    Hyperthreading in the i7 is better than the P4 by far, but still, it's no where near an additional core.
     
  15. Serg

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    As sgogeta said, HT allows to run a second thread on a same core, but this does not mean that it is another core (which Intel is marketing as a Dual+2 Cores and Quad+4 Cores).

    And yes, HT has come a long way since P4, they are not the same, it is largely improved (obviously)
     
  16. Renee

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    I'm glad I said almost. That it is almost an additional core is what I have read on the net. However, I am willing to be wrong. In addition, Intel continues to confuse the issue by calling the the other hyperthreads, "cores".
    Renee
     
  17. thinkpad knows best

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    Hyperthreading is much more inefficient than actually having 2 more true cores... umm, i don't think the mobile's are out yet, i was referring to the anticipated MOBILE i7's.. not the existing ones, the roadmap is a simple refresh to a new platform. How do you know all of the mobile i7's will have hyperthreading, i'm pretty sure since it raises power consumption by as much as 15% it may not be enabled in notebook computers. Although you probably could disable or enable it via BIOS settings.
     
  18. sgogeta4

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    I am also referring to the new mobile i7s. Check the Arrandale thread floating around for the specs of the new i7s coming in Q1 2010. They all have HT. Only the i5s do not have HT. I doubt you will be able to disable it in BIOS since I don't believe it is something with a simple on/off switch.
     
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    I own a 2.4GHz Pentium 4 HT (Dell) however and i can enable or disable HT as i like so apparently it is... but like you said it is quite a different architecture. I never said HT was mysterious.. i know how it works, i was referring to that it mysteriously consumes more power than with it disabled.

    There is a difference between threads and cores... I can't believe Intel is labeling additional threads as full blown cores. This is similar to some eBayers i've seen listing a Core 2 Duo as it's total clock speed (adding both core clocks together) and i guess it's another marketers thing, if you do that it makes properly labeled products look like pieces of crap to the sometimes clueless consumer.
     
  20. Serg

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    It, in theory works as another core, so it WOULD be like having 2 extra cores, that disappear when not needed. BUT, unless Intel has found a way to make this virtual cores a lot more than a mere second thread on the same core, I do not think these can be called as "cores".

    When running HT will consume more, after all, the core is doing 2 things at the same time, at the same speed (theoretically), so it obviously needs more power to do this little trick. But when off, they should not consume, because they are OFF...(duh, no? lol)

    And yes, i7 has HT and TB, i5 has only TB, i3 has none IIRC.
     
  21. thinkpad knows best

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    yes its just a virtualized thread that appears as a seperate "core" to the OS.
    Except that its much less efficient than another core.
     
  22. Thaenatos

    Thaenatos Zero Cool

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    Well lets hope that Lenovo sticks with the 16:10 screens for these i7 beasts.

    HT on the new QPI system is actually pretty darn good, I love seeing 16 "CPU graphs" in task manager for my work server. HT may not be as good as a real core, but its pretty nice being able to handle 2 threads simultaneously per core. Which is great for handling background processes with ease.
     
  23. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    wow...16 graphs.
    I have one, and I am tired of looking it running in almost 100% all the time.
     
  24. sgogeta4

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    Arrandale doesn't use the QPI system that desktops have, they use DMI.
     
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    Yeah. We have 2 quad core Xeon CPUs with HT so 8 physical cores and 8 logical (HT). I usually see 4-7 working during the day and sometimes 8 on a heavy day, but none of them max or even come close.

    Good to know. I havent done much research into the new architecture and I really need to.
     
  26. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Tests show mobile i7 faster than C2E

    Via Electronista
     
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    Two things stand out -

    First being Intel marketing should also emphasize the dual core numbers somehow. For most laptop users a dual core is more than sufficient and this is the mode it would be running in.

    Is Intel planning to come out with dual core i7 based chips?
     
  28. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Q1 2010 - Arrandale (Ci7/Ci5).
     
  29. Mandrake

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    The release of mobile i7 is tomorrow. We will know a lot more very soon.
     
  30. fs005

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    Where did you get this, Mandrake?
     
  31. Serg

    Serg Nowhere - Everywhere

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    Any confirmation Mandrake"?/

    Also, I would love to know if this is plausible.
    If I get a Calpella laptop, can I upgrade to Arrandale? Are they the same chipset? I think I read somewhere you could, but I have no idea.
     
  32. Evaders99

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    Calpella is the mobile platform, Clarksfield is the mobile i7 CPU.

    It is possible that Arrandale, as the 32-nm die shrink, could be supported on Calpella.. but time will tell. I don't see any information for or against it right now.
     
  33. Serg

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    Let me remake the question.
    If you get an 45nm i7 baser laptop, using Calpella or Clarksfield or how it is called, for example the T series from ThinkPad that are going to use the i7 Q620M Q720M Q820M i think they are called, if you get an Arrandale at 32nm later, will it work? Will it be supported?

    Does Arrandale mean a new chipset?
     
  34. sgogeta4

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    Arrandale is the codename of the new line of CPUs being released in Q1 2010 as the new dual core i7 and i5s. They will fit with the same motherboard/socket (Calpella) as the current Clarksfield (i7 quad core CPUs).
     
  35. Phinagle

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    Calpella is the name of the platform using mobile Nehalem CPUs with 5 series mobile chipsets.

    It was supposed to start with Auburndale a 45-nm dual-core (which were canceled) and Clarksfield 45-nm quads and then move onto Arrandale which is part of the Westmere die shrink to 32-nm.

    They will all use the same mPGA-989 socket.
     
  36. Mandrake

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    I was referring to the proc itself not a specific Thinkpad. Dell has theirs up for sale right now.
     
  37. Serg

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    I am dying to see this mounted on a ThinkPad!!
    I love how the Studio 17, the E15, the X500, are all thinner than what they used to be!!!
     
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    Now the question is, wait till i7 comes out to purchase a t400? or to not even bother and go ahead with the purchase?
     
  39. Serg

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    Mine is wait till the W510 i7 based comes out, or buy now that I can and have the money?
    What to do? What to do?
     
  40. Quicklite

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    They are both using the same mPGA-989 socket, so dual core, and quad mobile i7 should be pin-compatible. It doesn't necessarily work, you'll need bios support. As well as sufficient cooling - top 920XM has pretty high TDP for a laptop.

    As seen with Core 2, while some high-end laptop could take both dual and quad core chips; however, it doesn't necessarily work the other way- it's like while QX9300 works perfectly in AW M17x, if you stick it into Thinkpad T400, it just won't work.
     
  41. sgogeta4

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    Why do you even need a laptop (what do you use it for)? If you need it now, buy it now. If you can wait and/or you do heavy encoding/rendering, then go for the i7. But just remember it takes time from announcement of release to when you actually get the laptop in your hand. I would bet the earliest you get it in your hand will be late February or early March.
     
  42. Renee

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    Actually, I'd call sales and ask.
    Renee
     
  43. Serg

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    NOOOOOOOO
    I cant wait that longer.
    My current laptop is not going to withstand much longer. Damn, I wanted the redesign (a centered screen, a nice touchpad, basically a larger T400s... :D :D)
    but ok, ill push my waiting till the limits, and if nothing, im getting this one.

    Oh, I hope HP or Dell launch an i7 workstation...
     
  44. sgogeta4

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    Sales can't tell you due to NDA.
     
  45. Renee

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    Sales is not under that kind of NDA.

    Renee
     
  46. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Then please call them and let us know what they say...
     
  47. Mandrake

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    The wait continues. I believe lenovo's road map was released based on old ETA info on the mobile i7 platform. Here's to hoping we'll see something within a couple weeks.
     
  48. Lostinlaptopland

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    Hmm, perhaps I should hold off, currently waiting on a deal appearing for the T500 after missing the last sale but if news appears soon I might wait depending on projected prices.
     
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    If they didn't sign NDA, they won't know much about it. :eek:
     
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    Thinkpad today (which I believe pops in here every now and then) says not until January. LINK
     
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