new ati cards in t/w500 vs. nvidia 570m 256?

Will the w/t500 be graphically on par with the t61p?
In other words new ati cards in t/w500 vs. nvidia 570m 256

I can't find much info on the card in the w500 but I found this review of the card in the t500 http://www.legitreviews.com/article/652/9/
it has some game benchmarks as well.

The bottom line is, I was going to wait for the w/t500, but if I want the best graphics do I just get the t61p now instead?

 

The link seems to point to a review for desktop cards.

I couldn't find any benchmark of the V5700, but assuming that it is based on the HD 3650 as I read in this forum, you can find some comparison here : the FX570M is right below.

At least until we get some real test.

 

for 3d modeling the t500 can't beat the t61p but the w500 with the v5700 is much better, especially cos that's a bigger 17 inch notebook card...

for gaming i'm not really sure how good the 3650 is... not a lot better i'm guessing. The quadro fx570 is an incredibly powerful card!

 

NO it's not, the FireGL V5700 uses the HD 3650 core and it's a mid-range card.

 

oh so the V5700 isn't much better than the quadro fx 570??

 

But it does have more memory (512 mb vs. 256 mb in the 570m), right?

 

more than the memory, the question is the bus size, but if its based off a 3650 then it should have a 128 bit bus which can't use the 512 mb of memory...

 

You will also need to consider if they're both using DDR3, 256 DDR3 will be better than 512 DDR2 even though it has twice the memory.

 

If better, not by much....

Memory is just a marketing gimmick, I can give you a 1Gb HD 3450 and it will still perform worse than a HD 3650.

 

One if the main reasons I am buying a Thinkpad is because of their history of making great laptops that are made for hard work, not gaming. With this being said I wouldn't mind doing some occasional lite gaming on it. I am now a bit torn between getting a current T61P with the FX570M or holding off for a W500 with the V5700. I wish someone had one so we could see actual benchmark comparisons . Ohh well, it's going to be a Thinkpad either way . And based on how long the T61P's have been around I am starting to lean towards the T61's. I hate these kind of decisions.

 

Well, the W500 will have alot more features than the T61p, which is something you should consider.

 

Yeah I know . I like the idea of the LED backlit screen, new Centrino 2 Processors, and standard N support. I guess for the most part it comes down to which has the better graphics option. I'll just have to wait till the W500's come out and see some benchmarks I guess.

 

And it's good too since the price will drop.

 

I'm just a bit concerned that they will stop selling the T61P's completely once the W500's are available. I don't plan on them producing both at the same time but if the W500 isn't as stellar as we all hope it is (which I don't believe will be the case) it'd be nice to still be able to snag a T61P. I guess I am trying to decide whether or not to buy a sure thing, the T61P or wait and take a "gamble" on the W500.

 

First, Lenovo will most likely continue to sell the T61p for a short time after the release of the W500, they will need to clear out any systems they have built as well as the t61 parts that remain in inventory and cant be used on a newer system. It was the case when the t61 came out you could still order a t60 for a while. Second, both video cards should do a pretty good job at gaming (for a notebook anyhow). You will just have to realize that they might not be able to handle the highest settings of the latest and greatest games. Last, the W500 has some newer tech in it that might make it a far better machine overall, but also note that the tech is new and with brand new tech usually comes a couple bugs.

My advice, wait till the W500 comes out, check the benchmarks and reviews. If you want a W500 after that then get one, if you want the T61p then you will probably still be able to get one and they might even have a price drop.

 

There are resellers that sell the Thinkpad T61p, so don't worry.

 

its suppose to be far stronger than that cos i hear its suppose to challenge the quadro 1700 which is like the geforce 9700m or GT. the quadro fx 770 is like the geforce 9600gt so it means its got to be much stronger than the 3650

 

That is simply not true. The bus width has nothing to do with the amount of memory the video card can address. It is multiplied by the frequency of the memory to deliver the memory bandwidth.

 

No it's not.
The FireGL V5700 is only slightly more powerful than the Quadro FX570m.

 

According to the NBR review of the T500, it's about on par in 3DMark06 performance with the T61p. Hopefully this means that the W500 will have a significant increase over that.

 

Only slightly, not significant.

 

Great post.

IMO Lenovo missed the boat by not putting a ATI HD4000 series GPU in these new line of notebooks.



I'm going with the T61p for the overall winner for powerful gaming performance and 3d apps. Right now there are just so many driver options available for the FX570m.

ATI lacks the driver support but they do have some great hardware unfortunately the 3000 series that have been discussed in these notebooks are not that great. Now if the T500 ended up with GDDR4 then it could possibly have some extra kick to put it above the T61p.

Overall the T500 has some very nice options which I wish the T61p had. The T500 should be more more energy efficient with the overal design.


Tough contest.

I love my T61p.

 

How many times I have told you? Those aren't fit in anything smaller than a 17''.

 

Are you kidding me?

Don't you know the world's greatest engineers design ThinkPads?


Please don't post what can and can't be done with ThinkPads.
I'm sure they could do it.

 

LOL. When I think of the world's greatest engineers this is what comes to mind:



Not a laptop.

 

If you can prove that statement, we can have a better conclusion.
How can you be so sure???
Not even the HD 3870 can fit in there.
It's not something that can't be done with thinkpad, it can't be done with any other laptop beside the two oversize Alienware and Sager.
Look over to HP and Dell for more information. If they could have done it, they would have.