Good summary.
They are quite popular and the supply is constrained, which is good for the owner should they need to unload one!
I speak of the A4 version, not the pipsqueak one, which can be had for cheap, for the opposite reasons.
Because I do work for others I've seen a lot of systems these last few months. One that I liked [this may be redundant..] was HP 430 G1 Probook. It was humble: a i3-4010, 13.3 1366x768 matte display, but very well executed. I enjoyed using it. The display was no worse than the X120E's, just a tad larger but otherwise serviceable, not terrific [by contrast the Toshiba 14" 1920x1080 i previously mentioned was much more striking]. Great keyboard though it was a cheap one, easily removable. Very sturdy build, light.
The one thing I subjectively didn't like was the arrangement of the ports - the X120E accidentally fits a little spot in my cubbyhole where I 'dock' it with HDMI/Power/wireless-usb. the 430 G1 was clumsy doing the same.
I also had a Dell 14" I5-4300 model at same time with a way faster SSHDD which was oddly not that much faster in overall responsiveness. but aged design, clunky/chunky/heavy, unremarkable and had from the factory one of the strangest defects I've ever seen. returned it.
I'm 'stuck' on this 11.6 size. I'm not sure I could even tolerate a x230 or older 220 [which Lenovo still has not matched for quality]. its the easy 'one-hand' feel of it that I don't want to give up, I think. and the keyboard, and the functionality, reliability etc.
I will eventually snag one of the X140E's just for fun
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I still use my x120e. Not as much as I used to since my old, heavy, short battery life Dell M4400 was upgraded to an M3800. I like the touch screen and the color quality on the M3800 is something I have really gotten used to. Also, the weight difference is not as big as it used to be (~4.4 vs 3.3lb, the M4400 was 6.2). Anyway, I wouldn't mind getting a new small computer to replace the x120e but really, I think I will just keep using it for now.
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I was a little appalled by the prices they're going for on eBay! So I did some poking around and found one listed as "like new" on Amazon for $250 and shipping. In fact, it was fairly scratched up on the top, so the seller gave me $25 back. Not the best price in the world, but not the worst. Happily, it came with the 8.1 restore media, so it was very easy to set up (though I've been playing whack-a-mole with the junkware that came along with it).
TPFanControl is still a wonderful thing to have, BTW. Silence is, if not golden, very, very shiny all on its own.
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A few days on, a further report.
I don't notice speed per se all that much. I don't have many long, complex processes to run (and things like SPSS all ready run incredibly fast).
But I do notice responsiveness, and the X140e is way more responsive than the X120e. That's especially true on some fairly complex web pages. Just the overall feeling is less hesitant (I'm comparing the X120e/E350 and the X140e/A4-5000, just to be specific).
The keyboard is very good, as might be expected, and if you liked the X120e screen, you'll love this one.
Now, the look and feel of the machine. The rounded top and "wifi" light are slightly odd, but not bad. The rubber bumper around the top means you won't be worrying about losing the tiny bumpers that keep the top from smashing into the keyboard when the machine is closed. And it also seems to do a better job of keeping the pointing stick off the screen--my X120e has a nice little finger-oil dot on the screen.
The X140 looks larger and, by itself, feels heavier. I suppose it's a little larger, but the battery isn't hanging out the back. It's thicker, but not by much. It's about 1/4" wider, and the same depth front to back. It may be slightly heavier, but not really worth noting.
It is significantly quieter. I've been running TPFanControl on the X120e for years, and the fan comes on now and then. On the X140e, it feels like it doesn't come on all day. It's spooky quiet.
And battery life is amazing. I keep checking the battery to make certain the machine isn't going to shut down on me, but there never seems to be an issue. I think 8 hours is not an unreasonable expectation for this machine.
I do miss the "square corners and flat top" on the X120e. It somehow looked a little more serious. The touchpads on both are really too small for more than casual use but--here's the kicker for me--the X140 has no "lower" buttons hanging off the touchpad. Those got in the way on the X120e, and felt fragile. The 140 can be tapped or the whole pad clicked. I haven't played much with it, but edge scrolling seems to work well.
Oddly, the keyboard is missing an "insert" key, and has a dedicated PrtSc key in the bottom row...I wonder if that could be remapped to something more useful? Perhaps to invoke the OneNote screen clipper... Oh, and the secondary functions on the F keys are now dark gray rather than light blue, and so much harder to read, but you'll know the ones you actually use (like volume) by feel, in any event. And while you can't change the key tops becase they're different sizes, you can still exchange the lower-left Fn and Ctrl keys in the BIOS.
Getting around inside the X140e is just as easy as inside the X120e. Everything is accessible. Swapping an SSD for the HD and adding memory is trivial.
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Hey all, new to these forums, and a new owner of an X120e. Already upgraded to 8GB RAM, threw in an Intel 530 SSD, and have just installed a non-whitelisting BIOS. Now to test it!
Mainly, I would love to know the best card to use now that I've removed the WL? I was looking at an Intel 6250 (with Lenovo FRU), but I really would like a nice dual-band card to use with Kali Linux. I don't remember if Intel cards were good choices or not for such selections. Thanks in advance for any advice!
Also, anyone know why Lenovo isn't selling the X1*0 series anymore? Looks like you might be able to get an X150(?) through an EDU program, but they aren't being sold through normal channels? I see a few X140e in their Outlet area, too! -
Is it possible that the X150e never made it into production?
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Hm...Perhaps they changed the name from X150e to whatever they needed?
Anyway, I was lucky to get the X120e, after seeing some ridiculous prices for the newer 130/140 on eBay. But $600 as starting for these? No way! Maybe if they included a higher resolution screen from the start, or quad-core Pentium/Celeron in the base priced model?
Usually, when I see a laptop with a 1366*768 or so resolution, I immediately strike it from memory, but on a smaller laptop like this, I think it's about perfect. Maybe some scaling would make it even better, but I like itWill make a nice small, fast pentest platform, once I get a WiFi card that is able to do packet injection correctly.
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Alright, so the non-WL BIOS seems to work and everything.
But a quick question; is the WWAN slot PCI-E, or USB? I ask because I have an Intel 4965AGN card here, but it's obviously not going to fit into the mini-PCIe slot, so I was wondering if I could put it in the WWAN slot and just take out the mini-PCIe?
I searched through the first ~30 pages and saw a mention of it, but I am not sure about the configuration. I've got an Intel 6300 on the way anyway, but figured I'd ask -
Hopefully someone else with better data will answer here, but everything I've seen indicates that it's PCI-e. Hey, sometimes you just have to give it a try!
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X140e question. I've really gotten to like this machine over the past few weeks. It feels just as solid as the X120e, though in a slightly different fashion.
One irritation, though, is the green light on the cover. Short of opening up the machine and physically disconnecting the light, is there any way to turn it off? I'm rather surprised that there isn't a way to disable it in the BIOS, but I haven't seen one. So--any nice software tricks out there? -
well, looking like windows 10 will finally push me out of my x120e. disk peformance is awful and I cannot find a fix - no good driver for that hudson sata. secondly, no driver that works for the onboard audio. lenovo has declined - there never was an 8.1 driver unless someone here can tell me otherwise. the device, since the 99xx builds to the present 10159 build, shows up as "working" but in fact does not. if you run a utility to find all the devices, it turns up missing. not peep. hdmi-out works fine bvut that isn't sufficient.
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correction: not sure it was direct effect, but after removing Lenovo Power Management the conexant audio is now working.
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I would love to see a SSD benchmark from the x140e using the supplied amd SATA drivers.... I actually was able to load the X140E driver on the X120E - I doubt there is even one line of code different as I think AMD abandoned that SATA device awhile back. I went OCD trying to find any iteration of AMD SATA AHCI driver that works well and failed. by far the best drive to use is the Generic Microsoft SATA device driver dated nearly 10 years back!
The AS-SSD benchmarks show that, though still very slow against Intel-based competition [no contest really], the performance with the Generic MS driver is nearly 4x faster than any of the 4 or 5 AMD drivers I tried. while YMMV, I would love to see the data.Attached Files:
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Thinking if I should give it one more try reinstalling 10 from scratch, but frankly it got a bit slow as well back in 7. Strangely even a much older T61 ran better than it now, and it doesn't help that I've been looking at the Yoga 12 5300U or Helix 5Y71 for some time. -
If you're running amd sata driver, replace with standard MS sata device.
Use IE 11 for youtube
Regardless of these windows 10 is piggish slow
Yoga 2 i5-4202y model is no better. Shutdown takes 30'sec, boot up a full minute. Intel hdmi driver is junk. Conexant driver is junk.
Intel DPTF flawed.
I see a log full of performance warning and critical errors that are unintelligible.
Win 8.1 is far better on the yoga 2
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>Regardless of these windows 10 is piggish slow
Interesting. I had switched to the X140e with Win8.1 in advance of the Windows 10 release; it was a bit faster (with 8.1 on the X120e, there were occasional hiccups while watching movies--none on the X140e) but not a huge difference.
Windows 10 runs very well on it. It may be a function of memory--I was running 4GB in the X120e, I have 8GB in the X140e. What do you folks have in your machines?
The only gotcha I have at this point is that the internal webcam is completely blind. Nothing, nada, ptui. The light goes on, but there's nobody home. Fortunately, I had an external camera lying around for Skype, etc... But it's a little frustrating that I can't talk to the internal camera at all. -
mem won't matter. windows 8.1 & 10 will rarely exceed 2.5gb of mem in use. in fact I've never observed it though it could be done artificially.
ms figured out how to game drivers, and some of their own services are also at fault in slowing the system down. if you look in the Event Viewer logs under applications etc, under windows, optimization, and pull the diags logs for performance you'll see what I mean.
i see also drivers that don't show any rred errors in the System events logs, but if you look at the usual suspects in Dev manager/properties/details you will find some that have the simple notation: "this device requires further installation" - with no clue what's up or how to remedy.
bottom line is some systems [late model dell corporate notebooks - latitude, precision, and their immediate competition] the vendors did a lot of work to get them to market with no issues. the rest not so much.
i doubt the old zacate/hudson combination has optimized chipset drivers at this point.
I rather wish there were a way to FORCE win 10 to use the mem available.... that would cure the absence of a modern sata driver for amd's horrid sata interface ic
and just to repeat what I said a couple of times earlier here and elsewhere: all one need do is load the best amd sata dev drvr you can find, run crystaldisk benchmark. nuke the driver, load the MS ancient old non-optimal "standard AHCI controller" driver, reboot, run crystaldisk again and you'll get it. -
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FWIW - I recently had through my little shop 2 Yoga 2 11's. both haswell: the first one was the i3 SATA model, the second the i5-4202y M.2 SSD model.
Given the very sorry state of laptop market, these units are rated pretty high among their competition. That is not saying much - look at amazon, newegg, tigerdirect, or vendor sites for reviews and you'll see that "top" models these days rarely get 5 star status [as macbooks and many chromebooks routinely do - nevermind ipad and big Note/Tab].
The yoga 2 11 is not small - dimensionally it is slightly bigger than x120e X-Y, but thin. heavier than I like - really it is a 13 container with a 11.6 panel shoved into it. The display is a strong point, if you can stand the mirror staring back at you [I can't]. for what it is, it is very good with way more brightness headroom than a normal person would ever use.
the i5 model disk config is very strange. I pulled it and stuck it on ebay, replacing with a standard 2.5 SATA connector and popped a thin conventional sata notebook drive in.
long story short - I ended up backtracking to Win 8.1 on the i3 model and it performs OK, and sold it. I stuck with 10 against better judgment on the higher model. lots of issues. it boots in about 1 minute despite a week of work on it. shutdown is better now, but understand that, absent a custom tweak [which I did], there is no shutdown in the wonderful world of Windows 10. Yoga 2 bleeds. in some cases the bleed is severe - draining the battery overnight [not good for students, professionals who travel]. At best the battery life is 5 hours if you do almost nothing important.
The touchpad buttons are bad, but not as bad as many top ballyhooed units: Dell XPS 13 are unusable: Zenbook UX305 are awful. At least you can get a reaction to the buttons on the Yoga2, with about 5 ft/lbs force. Tapping works fine with a lot of tweaking.
Bugs abound with windows 10. very long story.
looks like the i5 model is sold now, but the user is having to learn a lot of remediation steps as Windows 10 will soon clobber my hard work, and she will need to rollback drivers, updates, etc selectively.
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The funny thing is, I just installed Windows 10 clean on an 8 year old ThinkPad T61 with 2GB memory (half of my X120e) and a spinning drive, it runs MUCH better than my X120e.
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similarly,.. i have a client i've done a little work for - an architect who is computer illiterate. he is one of those that can be fooled easily by popups and so he didn't realize that he upgraded his 17" HP [not sure which... one with dedicated radeon I think], called me up when it bombed a little. but actually, by the time I got to it, it had auto updated again and again, and was in pretty good shape except for Chrome. Chrome sorta copied over, and it would sorta run, but wasn't really properly installed. remove/reinstall - life's good. on the whole he was lucky.
do that with a yoga and you'll be in the ditch bigtime
i still have see nothing to replace my x120e. faster, yes... lots of notebooks are 'faster' but with serious issues galore.
I'm looking for something like UX305 in 12 inch'ish, matte display, excellent touchpad, good keyboard, passively cooled.
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I'm just here to reiterate again how tough these little machines are. Earlier today, stupid me didn't secure the straps on my bag, it flipped, and my X140e landed corner-first in the parking lot. Now I have a nice little divot by the SD card slot, but the machine fired right up without complaint, and there appears to be no other damage.
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gang - not that the x120e is truly replaceable... but just wanted to jump in for a moment with an obscure reco.
I see a lot of stuff due to being in the business helping small biz soho etc and live near a huge university town
I had been watching for awhile the Acer ES1-111m-p2yu - by 'watching' meaning reading reviews from real users, looking for the usual gripes [often windows issues, but anymore, touchpad/trackpad/keyboard and other reliability issues].
finally caught one dirt cheap and have been giving it a thorough cleanup etc.
I am impressed so far. the one tech corner-cut I wish they had not taken was in making it single channel instead of dual. hate that. but, you can install 8gb if you like. only time and abuse will tell if it is a 'tough' unit, but I love the exterior material. it will not show fingerprints, dirt or scars/mars very easily. it is not glossy but an almost 'ballistic' sort of material and finish - good grab.
cpu is pentium quadcore n3540, and SoC Valleyview. it is recent vintage.
I had sorta made up my mind to narrow things down to FANLESS models... These days - unless you need a gamer or a desktop workstation [laptop-as], why fool with the nonsense of a fan [vacuum cleaner]
the 11.6" matte display is little diff from the x120e. lots of brightness headroom, and ok viewing angles. about what you would expect. I wish, it being a lightweight thin fanless, that the lid would go 180'.. it will go about 110. good for reliability - not good for a lot of odd uses.
dimensionally it is about the same exterior minus the battery bulge of the x120e, but considerably thinner and a little lighter.
with only the default 2gb, after bloat etc cleanup, it boots in half the time my x120e... the X has a samsung 840 SSD... the ES1 has a 5400rpm conventional 250gb 2.5. some users complained bitterly about touchpad/trackpad/buttons. mine is good. in fact it is better than both of the 2 Yoga 11's I've had/built/sold/support. I also like the touch of the keyboard better than the yogas. all these ultra thin devices have a 'hard stop' limited travel keypad - unavoidable. but this one has more travel and a less obstinate 'feel' at the bottom of the travel range
if anyone is interested I'll post more after SSD install and mem bump. I don't actually know a reason to go to 8gb given windows 8.1 and/or 10. I've watched these very closely and you have to plan and work at making one exceed 3GB [and I do mean a 64-bit OS]. essentially, the current memory management matrix in the OS just won't let it. I wish this were controllable by the user but so far I have not seen any hackery to do this - it would be nice to USE 8GB or so and force the OS to load more heavily-accessed routines there.
acer outlet on ebay has refurbs with warranty for 189 right now. occasionally they will throw out a single listing as "bait" at lower price, which is what moved me [149]. mine is spotless. as new in new packaging. very neat -
Anyone have issues with the Windows 10 driver update for the display driver? Every single time it updates to it, my screen goes blank with the mouse only, then in the system log a string of LogonUI.exe crashes are listed. Only way to fix it is go into safe mode and rollback to the previous driver.
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hi tc
I have used win 10 twice on mine; the second just about a week ago and found it on the whole too buggy to use.
if you want to soldier on, you're probably going to have to manually uninstall all... ALL ATI stuff every time this happens, and reinstall only one ver.
Unless something has changed in the last couple of weeks, I found the option switch to DISallow install of Device Drivers was still broken. That is, one supposedly can go into advanced properties and specifically exclude the installing of device drivers. the GUI for that "works", but win10 update will do so anyway.
Secondly, even if you go to update settings and disallow "important" [which should encompass some dev drivers] it will still update vid drivers [and sata, at min].
finally/finally, in my version - x64 home, I had no option in the menu to prevent installs altogether - no selection for "let me cherry pick updates" as we have on 7. however I have SEEN that option with my own eyes in some other build of windows 10 so not sure what the deal is.
Conexant audio drivers are broke, period, but winupdates for 10 will still install regardless, so plan on changing that one also. though the bug is well documented on ms's own forums, there is no way to block it. the whole definition for what makes a 'valid', regressed, authorized whql driver in 10 is apparently "anything goes", make it devilish to run down drivers that are damaging performance.
it is moving fast, so take the above as "yesterday's version of factual"
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930
I also just installed 10586 on mine, things seems to have marginally improved. Still very slow right after booting, but it
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ToniC that is a great find. why have I not heard of it? I hang out on the oft-useless tenforums.com ....
Question: did you deliberately / manually install the hudson chipset drivers or did you just let Windows 10 install figure things out? I want to say I had done it both ways and could tell no change in the sluggish behavior but honestly now I cannot remember. on the G4, also supposedly Hudson, I just installed 10 [multiple editions of Preview, then clean-install of the released] and let it mostly go, other than switching the SATA driver to standard Microsoft and maintaining the AMD Graphics updates. it works terrific though the boot and shutdown are slow compared to win7. the good news is 10 on that one is so stable that I rarely reboot it or shutdown. just sleep
This gives a chance to update: I have recently tried out 2 more potential 'replacements' for X120e
- the Acer ES1-111m-p2yu a fanless baytrail with pentium 3540 11.6" display
- the very popular Asus UX305FA zenbook - also fanless, M-core 5Y10 IPS/Matte/FHD
The Acer is as close as I've come to a modern -SoC fanless "x120e". it is well made and underappreciated. Matte 11.6, excellent case/mechanicals, very thin, runs barely "warm" even loaded, upgradable though single-channel mem [so minus ~5% mem performance]. Despite humble frontend price [I actually caught a Acer refurb $149], once you do the work of upgrading mem and SSD you're at somewhere around $270 depending on how you catch it. Good keyboard and one of the best, if not the best, recent touchpads I've seen/used - which is not saying much since the whole industry is accepting unacceptable touchpads/buttons - truly an embarrassment . It does have an odd bios problem re: touchpad which renders it unavailable in safe mode - very annoying and it looks like they tried to patch it but no dice. in any other boot situation it is great. the buttons are as you would hope.
not blazing fast, but better than x120e for sure, and the display is ok. I thought the X was humble in that regard but side-by-side the X120E LOOKS a lot better to my eyes, partly due to much better colors. Intel HD is still marginal in my view, but it may be the display [which has a WAY LOT of headroom brightness] or the gpu. or maybe I don't know how to calibrate intel hd
the ASUS is a "keeper" and I'm late to that party. I happened to do the impossible and catch a clean used one cheap [for the system] so I can use it a year and still break even. I know of no Wintel notebook that holds value better than this one. It is the best functioning windows 10 installation I have used yet. really nothing much to complain about. The display, though colors are paler than I like [I haven't tried to correct], is much easier on my eyes than the X120E. not sure why that is but it is very noticable to me because I get eye fatigue that affects the whole body/head/etc. This one is almost like using a really good "paper white" display in its eye-comfort. The matte finish is as good as I have ever seen. if there is one better, I'd love to try it. In that regard the ES1 Acer was a bit annoying. if you run the brightness up enough on that one to overcome the diffraction 'haze' of the display surface, it is too bright. brain recoils from the bright. turn the bright down and the haziness of ambient light is annoying. I had never even noticed that on the X120E, and the Asus Zen is better.
This thing never approaches "hot" and I have to hunt around to find the warm spot. It is plenty fast - the M-core turbo thing is really well-sorted with this bios anyway.
Is it worth $600 new? I think so. In fact it is underpriced for the specs. The Dell XPS 13 is way more, but I watch the aftermarket and the Dell does not hold up under pressure. it has trackpad/button issue like many. basically if you want one, check ebay and get it for half-off.
the keyboard is not as creation-friendly as the X120E - Though big and generous and 'just right' feel, it lacks some simple buttoning that would make it better. The touchpad is good, but not great - it seems to be exactly what Yoga 2 has [dunno about Yoga 3] with the buttons that loudly 'clack' and require too much force, but double-tap works well so seldom bothers me. at least it all works. Asus seems to have taken an Elan device but did their own BIOS and driver work. it lacks features such as an adjustable Aperture size and that leads to accidental taps so it ain't perfect. just works. no fancy features. sound is so-so. it is thin/light and needs a lesson from Apple on how to make thin/light things sound great -
TC I'm interested in how 1511 update goes with your rig.
if there is any performance improvement let us know
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This is a minor thing, but. My X140e had been driving me crazy. When I was running on battery power, the screen looked dim. I went through the usuals--disabled Vari-bright, made sure the Windows control was at 100% whether on battery or on AC.
Today I did a test, and sure enough, there was a difference when I plugged the thing in!
So I finally went to ADM's tools (other than turning off Vari-Bright, I usually have no need for them) and found the performance setting. Set for max performance under AC, max power savings under battery. I changed the battery setting to max performance and Apply'd it, and screen brightness went up by about four notches.
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Ahh... hate to report this but I sold my beloved x120e, but it made sense. the fan finally started to croak and to do the job right would have cost 15 bucks and a lot of time so I stripped it and sold on ebay to a happy buyer. May go buy another one gently used at some point.
BUT - wanted to alert you old stalwarts: there may be a "replacement" for this champ: it takes careful looking to spot this: it is a Thinkpad 11E with the Core M 5y10C processor - Amazon around 320 bucks usd.
There are models with N2940 and a troubled model with AMD APU, and there may be a model with Pentium or other Celerons [2920?].
I'm trying to get more info on the Core M model. it seems to be fanless whereas the others seem to blow [some complaints about the fan on other versions]. I am typing on a zenbook ux305fa and I have nothing but good to say about the usable power of the core M. touchpad/clickpad lousy but better than Dell or Yoga's I've worked on.
the early reports are quite favorable.
beware the reviews on the Lenovo site - Lenovo can't seem to employ decent website techs and the reviews are mixed models - in fact some may not be thinkpad reviews at all... I read 'em.
x120e Owner's Thread
Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Master Kuni, Mar 12, 2011.