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    x201- Maximum resolution on external monitor ?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Beh0lder, May 29, 2010.

  1. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    I'm considering buying a Dell U2711 or Dell U2410 to use along with x201 (i5-540, 4 GB, Win7 Pro 64bit), but i'm not sure whether the integrated Intel Graphics
    1) supports at all the native resolution of U2711 (2560 x 1440) and
    2) whether the Intel GMA will be quite stressed at 2560 x 1440 and will have problems with video playback (mkv, youtube, etc).

    Anyone has such experience with x201 or can suggest better 24" or 26" choices (plz, *silent* ones, no buzzing)
     
  2. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    if you want to run the U2711 off the laptop, then you would need to get the ultrabase, as only the displayport supports that resolution.

    The U2410 can be run natively off the vga port, i do this with my X200 laptop.

    The laptop won't be stressed running at this resolution for video playback, as both the GPU and CPU are designed with 1080p in mind.

    At this price point there is nothing better than the U2410 and U2711 using IPS technology, if you need better LCD then get the NEC and EIZO monitors but they do cost alot more money.
     
  3. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    lead_org, thank you for your answer.

    I have already ordered the ultrabase from Lenovo's outlet, still waiting for it to be delivered.

    The main reason i'm considering buying a Dell monitor, is the annoying buzzing noise of the Samsung SyncMaster 245B i've got. Now that the x201 is completely silent (aka SSD), i can hear the buzz. However, from what i've been reading, Dell U2410 seems to be having a lot of problems, including buzz (same goes for HP zr24w, which is a similar model). Dell U2711 seems to be perfect (no buzz, no dithering or tint problems) but carries a higher price tag & needed to check the high (2560 x 1440) native resolution was supported by GMA. I'm also considering the cheaper BenQ G2420HDBL, Dell G2410 and a couple others LED monitors, since they seem to be completely silent as well.

    Anyhow, one more question about the Ultrabase's DisplayPort & x201's Intel GMA. Can they support more than one monitors, eg 2 or even 3 ? An if yes, do i need any extra special equipment/cables ?
     
  4. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    I have a x200t with the ultrabase and I can only support 2 monitors at the same time.
     
  5. jonlumpkin

    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    I like your setup. Very nice and modern.
     
  6. turqoisegirl08

    turqoisegirl08 Notebook Evangelist

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    Kudos on that setup Warakara!

    I wonder if I could do something like that with my T400?!
     
  7. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    yes but you would need the advanced mini dock or advanced dock to get the 2 monitor output.

    At OP if you need more than 2 LCD then you would need Lenovo usb2dvi adapter s.

    I got U2410 and it doesn't make any noise as such, there is slight tinting problem but for the price that it was selling at, i guess one has to accept this sort of quality. But it is still miles ahead of any TN based LCD.

    @Warakawa, so you did manage to find the Lenovo's coveted L220x LCD. Is that the Benq 21.6 inch E2200HD monitor on the left? How is landscape mode with the TN Benq?

    So are you still planning to get your 27 inch Dell U2711?

    Love your computer room under the bunk bed setup, space saver....
     
  8. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    one is benq E2400HD 1980 x 1080, the other one is lenovo thinkvision L2440p 1980 x 1200
     
  9. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    I have a somewhat similar setup on my main desktop - a UXGA monitor in portrait mode and a WSXGA+ in landscape. The 1600 is fantastic for internet. The 1200 is just right for most webpages. The WSXGA+ is for photo editing and what not.
     
  10. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    i got the Lenovo L2240p, Dell U2311 (borrowed from a friend, my one arrives end of next week), Dell U2410, Benq G2400W LCD setup using the Thinkcentre A61 with surroundview option.

    and only the Dell IPS LCD pass the mustard for portrait mode.

    Regarding the 16:9 LCD format it is here to stay, the price may fall if more manufacturer gets into the H-IPS and e-IPS business.

    But given that the 24 inch dell ultrasharp monitor has remained at this price point for such a long time, i doubt the 27 inch monitor price will come down significantly, especially if there is not much 27 inch IPS market competition out there.

    Your best bet is to wait for some special discount from Dell.

    I got mine U2410 for 466 AUD and U2311 for 299 AUD both brand new. So theoretically you could get the U2711 for around 800 to 900 dollars on special discount.
     
  11. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    I am pretty sure the price for ips will come down by the time one of my monitor dies. Which will take around 5 to 10 years. Monitors tend to last pretty long, much longer than the production cycle of monitors. I'll be damned if the price of a 27 inch IPS monitor would cost more than $300 in 2015.
     
  12. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    Well that depends on the patent, and investment on fabrication plant. But given that the LCD industry is run by the oligopoly, and the barrier of entry is high. I doubt the price of H-IPS 27 inch LCD will be $300 dollars in 2015. Just have a look whom produces the different version of the IPS LCD.

    The price of the IPS 24 inch Dell monitor hardily shifted in the 4 years they have been on the market. But we just have to wait and see.

    LCD with ccfl backlight lasts around 20,000 hours, so if you use them sparingly yes they will last 5 years, 10 years maybe a bit of a stretch for a large size LCD.

    But in ten years time you should be earning more money than you do now, so the IPS would be well within your budget.
     
  13. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    in ten years time, I'll have a kid and a nagging wife.

    no one can predict the future, but it's best to wait and pray the chinese can make the ips monitors cheaper
     
  14. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    yes nagging wife... so only a 17 inch CRT for you... you get downgraded
     
  15. Pravinuss

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    My 2311h arrived yesterday and i have to say its really a excellent moniter for the price. i am using my w500 to power it. Beholder, maybe you could consider the u2311? Its certainly cheaper and mine was perfect panel so yeah.
     
  16. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    Hmm... not easy to decide. After reading a lot of opinions and reviews, i've narrowed it down to Dell U2711, U2410, G2410
    I mainly use the x201 & monitors for documents, browsing, etc (not gaming, of course).

    My only requirement is the monitor to be *completely* silent, at all brightness levels.

    So, in theory x201 & Ultrabase should handle two monitors, one at 2560 x 1440 and the other with 190x1200, with no trouble, right ?

    How much of a problem, or annoying, is this pink/green tinting ?

    Anyone has any experience with Dell G2410 ? How does it compare to U2410, quality-wise ? It's cheaper, LED, and i wouldnt mind the fewer ports.
     
  17. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    two monitors at that resolution is no problem

    There is a slight pinkish tone to the image (but further calibration can lower it), but usually not visible unless you compare it to the more expensive LCD monitors. I just use it for watching TV and play some games, don't really do any photo touch ups or anything.

    Never used the G2410.
     
  18. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    then you should have ruled out U2711 and G2410, both are 16:9, bad for documents and browsing.

    which leaves U2410 you're only choice from Dell, but there are better 24inch 1980x1200 monitors on the market
     
  19. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    Could you please suggest some of these better options ? (around the same price tag. eg EIZO are a lot more expensive )
     
  20. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    there is no better option at the same price range, especially during sales.
     
  21. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    I bought today the U2410. Very impressed with its quality, no comparison with my old Samsung.
    And thankfully, it's silent too!

    I almost got the U2711, but finally i decided for U2410, 'cause of the 16:10 ratio and the versatility of the base.
    Thnx everyone for their advice :)

    I'm still waiting for the ultrabase, and maybe i'll use the samsung as well (like warakawa's setup).
    Will i need a special program to handle the two monitors, or Windows 7 can natively handle them ? (ie, two different desktops)
    Any suggestions for such programs please ?
     
  22. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    congratulations, U2410 is an excellent choice. how much you got it for may I ask?

    no special program is needed, just go to Screen Resolution. there you should be able to modify the resolution, orientation and what display you want.
     
  23. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    the Win 7 OS can handle all this....
     
  24. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    I got it for 421 euro, which is currently about 512$

    Hmm... I had the chance to test my U2410 during the night, it is not perfectly silent at all brightness levels. Over 79%, or less than 40% brightness it's perfectly silent, but in between it does make a very slight buzz. During the day you cannot hear it, but during the night (in a 100% silent environment), it's there. It's much much much less than my Samsung 245B, but it's there. Not sure if it's my unit (A01, March 2010, Made in Czech, model U2410f ) or a general issue which most people cannot hear (i'm quite sensitive to noise), but it's not annoying (dont see it as a reason to return the unit).
     
  25. warakawa

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    men you so picky, since it's at night, you can turn down the brightness to below 40% then it's perfectly silent.
     
  26. Beh0lder

    Beh0lder Notebook Guru

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    :p That's the reason i wanted to replace the Samsung one. Sometimes i get up at night to do some work and it annoys me!

    I was wondering, would the U2711 (16:9) be that bad for reading ? Doesnt its higher resolution (2560 x 1440) and 27" compensate for the ratio, when compared to the 24" 16:10 (1920x1200) of the U2410 for example ?
    Actually i tried a 27" Samsung (not sure of the aspect/resolution), but the 24" U2410 felt better, because of the FOV and working distance (~35-40 cm).
     
  27. warakawa

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    maybe trying listen to some music at night to drown out the buzz?

    I suppose you can divide the U2711 into half half, or press window + left or right, that way you can read two documents. It's impossible to read text on U2711 imo because the screen is just too wide. You will lose track of the lines, that's why newspaper columns always narrow, imagine reading a newspaper with no column, all the text are in one single line across the whole newspaper, you will have to use finger to track when you read or you will lose track.

    That's exactly the same with U2711, they are good for movies and games, photoshopping etc but for reading you'd be much better off on a 19" monitor than a 27".

    I think 24" inch 16:10 ration is best for everything.

    there is law of diminishing marginal returns here, people think often think that a bigger screen size would make one more productive or provide more enjoyment. There will be a point where increase in resolution and screen size will not yield any benefit at all.
     
  28. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    dell side by side mode sucks, the screen gets shrunk and doesn't fill up 100% of the screen space.

    The 2711 is good for CAD and photoshop. For reading documents the 24 inch is more than enough.
     
  29. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    For reading: my x200t in tablet mode
     
  30. jonlumpkin

    jonlumpkin NBR Transmogrifier

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    Seconded...
     
  31. opeleonia

    opeleonia Newbie

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    Hello all,

    While looking for reviews on the x201, I found this page, sorry about digging up a four months old thread, here goes my question:

    I have been wanting to set up my monitors like the ones in Warakawa's picture for awhile, was never able to find the right stand or arm that doesn't require digging a hold into my walls.

    Could anyone give me a little more information on the monitor mount/stand/arm from the picture? Or any product similar to it that's available in the US.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  32. warakawa

    warakawa Notebook Evangelist

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    welcome. ..
     
  33. opeleonia

    opeleonia Newbie

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    Thank you :)

    Just ordered x201, can't wait to see it.
     
  34. midknight8008

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    You could get something like this:
    Amazon.com: Dual LCD Monitor Stand desk clamp holds up to 24" lcd monitors: Office Products

    There are usually several of the clamping-style stands available on ebay as well. They can be found in single & dual LCD variants. I've been looking into a similar setup, but need to wait for next semesters' grant funding to get some new LCDs.