y410p VS t440p - help me choose

money is an issue. the t440p to meet up to y410p standards (and what i want) in terms of tech spec is about an extra +$400 which is basically a +50% price increase (quite substantial)

i see 4 main things the t440p has over the y410p
1. better overall build quality
2. better screen if you go FHD route (which i don't plan to)
3. better battery
4. a little bit more portable (smaller)

if those are the 4 reasons, it is not worth an +50% price hike in my opinion
therefore i ask - is it really worth the price hike? is the y410p's build quality that bad? i admit t440p is better hands down so you don't need to convince me on that point, but really how bad is the y410p?

 

1. The keyboard, trackpoint, trackpad. It make a super big difference. It's design
2. 900p is 5 years old, 1080p is coming. IPS is stunning and it will boost your experience so much.
3. one of my friend own y410p and he claimed that at very extreme case it can hit 4 hours, otherwise very short.
4. It's not really more portable.

If you don't need graphic L series is a great deal.
What do you need?

 

Really you can't compared an IdeaPad to a ThinkPad, it's like comparing apples and oranges. The ThinkPad for the same money will always be worse spec, because they have much better build quality, and support is way better IMO.

 

Do you plan on traveling with you? Using it every day from office to school or to work? In that case I would lean toward the THinkpad if not I would lean toward the ideapad. Did that. I had a T43 in college, went to an Edge at home (and first semester of grad school). and back to a T440s in a few weeks for the rest of grad school.

 

^^^This, except for the support part. Dumb Lenovo reps are dumb , however the accidental damage stuff is quite nice.

Don't call me a hypocrite, i bought my Y410p back in June, like 4 days after Haswell came out.

The FHD IPS panel on the T440p is 250$ alone. Not to mention the 100$ you will fork over for the 8GB of DDR3 and the 205$ you will fork over the Quad-Core. Fully configured the T440p will be around 1600$.

I will ask you a question, and the answer should determine your purchase:

How long do you plan on keeping the laptop?

Personally, i will only be using my Y410p for 2-3 years, and i might ditch it when Skylake/Cannonlake comes out.

However if you need something to last longer, the T440p is the FAR superior option.

The L440 is a compromise between both (in terms of both price and build quality), with the Quad-Core and the RAM it comes at 1050$, however it does not have a Graphics card. However it has a 900p display (doubt that bothers you.

Thinkpad Edges are just rebranded Ideapads (I've seen many, nothing stellar).

 

sorry i'm not made of money, a $400+ instant price hike is a lot of money for me
also, in the past 10 years, i've never had a laptop last longer than 3 years, so my expectation would be the y410p lasts me 3 years
my t510 barely lasted 3

 

The ONLY time I've had a ThinkPad serviced (I had an X120e with a dead mobo), it went to Lenovo, and back in 4 days including shipping (mine was overnighted). Lenovo quickly replaced the bad motherboard and shipped it back fast. I've always had good luck with IBM/Lenovo repair depot.

I don't understand how a T510 only lasted 3 years, unless you went through heavy abuse during your normal use, then a Y410p wouldn't last that long, unless you are talking from a performance standpoint. If you are going for performance for the dollar, then ThinkPads are not for you. You cannot get superior design, build quality, reliability and top notch specs for bottom dollar prices, something has to give. You can get high performance for cheap, those kind of notebooks die pretty fast, like those 800 dollar ASUS laptops that offer the latest generation quad core i7's and DGPU. If you want a quality laptop that will last you 3+ years and still work, then buy a ThinkPad. If you want performance at the most bottom dollar, the market is flooded with it, Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, Acer, Gateway, Sony all make them. They are bottom of the barrel crap, and it's a race to see who can sell the cheapest crap, and the most of it.

 

Yeah, but that REALLY depends where you live.

I was talking about the service reps, you know, those people who speak half-english.

I find your post completely ironic because i have owned these said "crap" laptops for year (I'm talking Insprions, Aspires, Compaq's and Ideapads) and some of them are still 5+ years old and NONE of them have crapped out on me. And i am not known to baby my laptops.

My Inspiron 1501 (2007) does just as well as the L420 in the office.

If you want, i can post some pictures of all the old cheap laptops roaming around my house, all of them in good condition with just minor scratches.

Heck my sister's compaq presario will turn 5 next year, paid 300$ for that sucker back then, Penryn Core 2 Duo still kicking it and no damage whatsoever. All i need to do is maybe throw in a cheap SSD and it could be good for a few more years before the hardware is considered "obsolete" by Microsoft and friends.

The reason people replace budget laptops is because they get slow, and usually people who buy non-business laptops like to upgrade more often, to get the latest advances in technology and whatnot.

Some people i know buy cheap Clevos and replace them every so often, and never complain about it.

 

Anyways, i derailed this enough.

Let's home Hime isn't corrupt enough to ban me for disagreeing with her/him. This happened to me once before

@OP

The main sellings points for the Thinkpad are battery life, display and of course build quality. If any of those are a plus, then by all means go for the Thinkpad, the extra cost *IS* worth it, and the battery life and screen will up your productivity.

However, if you feel you can live without some of these, that gives you both the L440 and the Y410p as options ( i could add in more). The L has a much better chassis, and the Y has much better performance, so pick what corresponds to your needs.

When it comes to money, people often make a choice:
- Two laptops every two years: each laptop is cheaper
PROS
*New Technology when it comes out
*"New Car Smell" effect
* You can always expect to run X with higher settings

- One laptop every four years: one expensive laptop
PROS
- Better resale value on the premium laptop
- No need to make choices to replace
- You don't have to skim out on build quality nor performance (however after a few years, performance will not be up to standards/build quality will take a beating)
- Who doesn't like a flagship?

FINAL NOTE:

Take care of your things! Seriously. Because you have a spillproof keyboard does *not* mean you should place coffee dangerously near your laptop!

 

I think the OP should probably head over to WNSIB and fill a sticky. Also , upping the t440p to i7quad +730m easily hit 1.3k vs y410p which is only 800ish... so it is more like 500 difference untill coupons are out(not soon),

Computer life varies depends alot of how it is used, a machine that commute everyday vs one stay at home all day are total different stories.

Don't brother with a L-series. Outlet had plenty of budget options time to time.

 

I agree with Baii. Wait for coupons on the T440p before you buy it. You could get a 15% discount. Or you could wait till Q1 2014 for something that has a Maxwell GPU.

 

I'm not holding my breath for Nvidia's next-generation GPUs appearing in Thinkpads until at least the next CPU refresh, perhaps late next year. I can't imagine Lenovo redesigning main boards for a mid-model refresh.

 

Would that be in addition to a discount like the B&N discount? I just ordered a T440p with 15% off using B&N. I would be quite happy to apply additional discounts if possible.

 

No, i was meaning the 15% off "fake" sales that lenovo has 24/7. Kinda like how the Y410p is 1299$ but with the "sale" it comes to 799$.

You can use B&N on any Lenovo laptop.

 

Do you think the T440p will go one sale for black friday or cyber monday? it seems like lenovo already announced their sale for this thanksgiving and it doesn't include any of the new T models. also, any experience with strategies of talking down a price with one of their sales-people?

I'm planning on upgrading to the i5-4300, FHD screen, GT 730M and Intel AC wireless, then just buy an SSD and RAM myself. Using B&N, that puts the price at $1227 before tax. They don't seem to have a harddrive caddy out for the T440p yet but when they do I'll get that and for the old HDD as well.

is there any benefit to 16GB of RAM over 8GB and would 12GB still be capable of dual channel RAM?

And sorry to have to many questions, but you seem really knowledgeable about this stuff and I haven't put any thought to getting a new computer in the past 6 years.

 

Mainstream T series laptops rarely will go on sales as they are the bread and butter laptops for major corporations/govt agencies. Sometimes Lenovo will put out a special promotion, you should try subscribing to their mailing list, I get Lenovo offers all the time on ThinkPads and other Lenovo products.

 

Indeed... I bet Lenovo will throw all its Thanksgiving promotional effort behind the more consumer-oriented machines like the Yoga, IdeaPads and tablets. There seems to have been next to no consumer marketing for the T-Series up to now, as the total lack of reviews illustrates. I'd be surprised if any discounts or faux-sales for the T-series show up before January.

 

I hope this is not the case. Hoping for 20% off on the T440s on the Thanksgiving weekend.

 

I hope this is not the case. Hoping for 20% off on the T440s on the Thanksgiving weekend.

 

Ha... I'd be stoked if that was the case, but highly unlikely IMO. I'd even be happy for 5% off the current T440 series prices, but I'm not expecting even that. I will wait one more week before ordering a T440p, however, just in case pigs do fly

 

I doubt they would do it, especially with the holidays coming soon, they need to maximize their profits

EDIT: I guess they did, go figure.

 

Looks like you are in luck. Currently 18% percent off, 22% with the B&N deal. Ordered mine yesterday. The trick now is waiting. Estimated shipping date for me was 12/13 and now it looks like it is up to 12/16.

 

Buyers beware!

Lenovo raised the price of all their Y series on the black friday sale!

So yeah, get the T440p.