your thoughts on the next T-series with Penryn?

What changes will they make.

It seems ironic, but the worst things about the T61 were battery life, and thickness (compared to T41 model)

seems like lenovo will get lucky, as both of those will be inherited for free with Penryn CPU's in Jan/feb.

but what is lenovo actually going to do. are they going to do anything? or just get the free improvements...

your thoughts ?

 

I don't think they will experiment much with the ThinkPad’s. Maybe a 17'' model for the home user. Did you see their reserve edition? Just as boring as the rest of the ThinkPad’s with a little leather and gold support

 

yea and along with a price tag of $5000.... not my style...I'm ordering the T61p

 

Penryn? from what I've read these are a long way off from being in any notebooks at reasonable prices, the Santa Rosas practically just came out so, don't hold your breath.

When they do finally arrive, the should be cooler, but they haven't been tested in laptops just yet to my knowledge, should be interesting.

 

The Reserver Ediition T looks like one of those old funky Day Runner organizers that were the rage in the 80's.

 

My question is why did they slap that steep of a price tag on it?

 

Gold support. Any software issue they call in with no matter how complex or stupid the questions are, the customer gets support for it. Best effort, that is.

 

Lenovo will do nothing--just put Penryns into the existing designs. They may not even bother with a change in model number.

I'm figuring the big changes await the switch to the Montevina platform (which will use Penryns, but with a higher bus speed).

Just my prediction.

 

There will be a change if there is a change in the motherboard..
the biggest change with the Montevina platform is the Nehalem CPU, with a whole new microarchitechture.

 

Montevina will initially ship with Penryn.

If there is to be a Montevina refresh that replaces Penryn with Nehalem, well, I haven't heard about it.

It was my understanding that Nehalem wouldn't appear in notebooks until the Calpella platform (sometime in 2009).

 

i say its going to take another year for it to come out on laptops

 

It will not be a "year", where do you get a "year"?, that statement is ridiculous and foolish, it will be 2-4 weeks. In a year Penryns will be 25W models on a new platform.

Here is the article
and here

New chips will be:

T8100
T8300

T9300
T9500

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As the article says:

"Expect a large number of new/refreshed notebook announcements from various manufacturers including Apple to follow the new processors. All Penryn processors will have a 35W TDP. 25W models will arrive with the new Montevina platform in Q2 2008."

 

How is that foolish? It has always been that way with cpu technology. it first comes out for desktops, then after a year or so, it transitions into notebooks

penryn's will be avaiable in 2008 for desktops, but won't be fore notebooks till late sprint/early summer at the earliest

 

I don't think they are particularly interesting for several reasons.

The first is that software doesn't really utilize quadcores yet so there's no reason to get them.

I have a 7800 and it's almost always idling. It's going to be a very long time before there is software that will tax it (mind you I am not a gamer).

Lastly I think they will bring the thermal footprint up again. I'm very glad what I have and don't feel any need for a penryn.

 

so if they are going to be shipped in the montevina platform, how come people are saying we can just plug in a penryn chip in our current t61's and everything will work normally?

 

Watch Apple's Macworld 2008 Jan 15th.

Apple will likely announce transition to Penryn on desktops (Xeon Penryn's rumored at the high end), MacBook Pro transition is still up in the air. AMD has screwed up the Phenom launch but there is NO WAY that Intel will wait until the end of 2008 to refresh the mobile CPU line.

Read this for more info.

Here is a Story on the January 6th mobile Penryn release date

Fujitsu has plans to ship mobile Penryn in January

This is another Fujitsu story

Dell has included the 45nm Penryn in online support documentation for its mobile units.

As you can see OEMs will be pushing out Penryn laptops sooner rather than later. This chip is about to hit the market. By the end of 2008 the possibility of QUAD core gaming mobile chips may be the next step.

 

"The first is that software doesn't really utilize quadcores yet so there's no reason to get them"

I don't think thats true all around.

For gaming it is true.

Photoshop uses all 4 cores. Video encoding applications like Vegas are optimized to use all 4 cores.

QUADS are here and they do have uses if you have the right apps. If all you need is a machine to check email and open Word documents then Core 2 Duo will suit you fine.

 

That's not what I use a machine for. I am a developer and running visual studio, SQl server and photshop. My desktop is a dual core extreme and it just doesn't saturate nor does my t61p with its 7800.

 

I too develop in Visual Studio and solution build times on the development machines are much faster on my T7800 than on on a non-dual core machine.

I wonder if Visual Studio 2008 will be more QUAD aware?

 

It doesn't seem to be, although everything about vs2008 is a little faster.

My desktop uses 15000 rpm server disks and it's faster than my t61p. Both are duo-core with 4 gb of memory. The difference is in the 15000 rpm disks.

Actually how would I know if vs2008 is more quad aware?

 

It looks like LENOVO has launched the IdeaPad with Penryn already. The T61/p is next.