10 Things You?ll Get With Ubuntu 8.10 ?Intrepid Ibex?

A quick resume of what the most important things users will get with the next Ubuntu release: Intrepid Ibex.

http://fabrizioballiano.net/2008/07/19/10-2-things-youll-get-with-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex/

 

Interesting link...thank you Leon.

 

hopefully better support for my G9 mouse with this one, 8.04 had some serious problems with it

 

No problem, John! The theme hasn't changed from it's alpha builds though. Still very ugly in it's brownish color.

 

I haven't really tried 8.4, but I was an avid user of Gutsy Gibbon Feisty Fawn.

I really like Ubuntu, but I will never really make a concerted switch until DirectX somehow gets migrated over to Linux. It isn't the fault of Ubuntu that Microsoft keeps a tight leash on things, but honestly...I run on a Mac with the VERY nice Leopard OS, yet I almost NEVER boot into it because I am constantly logged into Steam and gaming.

11. So, maybe for 9.10 or 10.4, better support for gaming than WINE.

I hope someday it happens. I swear this is the primary reason Microsoft has a stranglehold on the OS market.

 

Crysis runs in Wine now
Only DirectX9 though, no DirectX10

 

I like the clean up cruft idea. Hopefully they fix the theme too.

 

Right, Wine doesn't have DX10.

What issues does Crysis have under Wine? How many frames are lost?

 

Not sure, because..obviously I can't play it..lol

 

I can... I'll volunteer for a copy of Crysis.

 

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=10107

# FPS are even worse than on Windows (~15 FPS on a 8600GT low settings except shaders). Don't even try to run the game on hardware lower than a GF8
# Severe graphical corruption
# Sound may vanish under some circumstances
# Movies don't have sounds at all
# Crysis will freeze whenever it feels like it
# FPS will drop to below 1 at some resolutions
# Also FPS may suddenly drop at any point, usually accompanied by graphical corruption. Restart the game and reload the level to fix this
# The patcher will not work in Wine

 

Thanks for the report Bog. I'm sure these mere little hiccups won't prevent hyperventilating individuals from screaming at the top of their lungs that Wine runs Crysis without further qualifying that what they mean by "run" is "will be as fun as shoving you tongue down a live light bulb socket" and "will look as good as dog vomit".

And then people wonder why I take claims of "X will run in Wine" to mean diddly squat.

 

LOL, I like your analogies.

Yes, Wine isn't as convenient as people paint it. It can run basic programs, however games rarely run well under Wine. There are only a *few* games out there that run flawlessly, in fact. For instance, I have everything working under Half-Life 2 (DX9 mode results in flashing white artifacts, DX8 must be used).

 

Come on Virtual Machine 3d acceleration!! I removing dual boot from my Acer right now....destroying an XP installation....wish me ruck.....

 

Since when did virtual machines have 3D acceleration?

 

They don't yet. I meant that's what I think our hope is. Parallels claims to have it, but I never could get it to run.

 

Are you talking about this? Why doesn't it work? If Parallels can actually do it, I don't see why Sun can't do it with VirtualBox, or VMware can't do it with Workstation.

 

I haven't been able to get it to run in Ubuntu....now that I'm in Mandriva, I'll try it again. I've used up two 15 day trials already. I've emailed them 3 times....no responses.

 

I heard valve is porting it's engine over to linux soon...

 

Just so you guys know, Alpha 1 is out:

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha1

I DO NOT recommend installing this.

Furthermore, if you want to see blueprints for the Intrepid Ibex release, then please visit:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid

Yemo
(Admin - Ubuntu West Bengal)

 

Actually, Alpha2 is out.
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha2

Get it here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-2/

Only an install or server CD right now though, no livecd.

 

Wine is great for programs that have native OpenGL support as well, namely those that are ported to Mac and Windows. Blizzard for instance supports OpenGL, and World of Warcraft, Warcraft III and Diablo 2 all get significant framerate boosts in my old computer when running under wine in hardy heron vs. xp. Probably because of less overhead.

But yeah directx only games are tough on wine. But hey, at the end of the day, linux is free, and 98% of it is light years beyond vista. Just compare vista "aero" to compiz-fusion. Aero alone takes up more ram than my entire ubuntu OS does. You can't exactly run vista from a flash drive either.

One day, big computer manufacturers like lenovo and hp will realize, as dell already has to an extent, that they don't make any extra money by forcing windows on people, or at least not a lot. If they offer two laptops or desktops with identical configurations, but one is $100 cheaper for not having to pay M$ tax, it's a no-brainer. And worst case, if the consumer absolutely hates linux, they can go to any retailer and spend that same $100 to buy windows anyway. No harm, no foul.

 

im still worried about alpha 2's stability issues so..

 

Alpha's aren't meant to be stable. They are only for testing purposes only.

 

Aero sounds like it was badly engineered. (I can't do anything else than report other people's opinion because I've never used it.) But it is in good company with compiz. I ran compiz as soon as the Ubuntu developers decided that it should be included in Ubuntu. I've endured its many bugs for a few months and then said "screw it" and I turned it off. When it did not outright crash, its algorithms were buggy (e.g. correctly mapped my first Firefox window to my 3rd desktop but the second and third would be mapped randomly: thanks compiz!!!; kwin performs this same task flawlessly) or it caused other software to misbehave.

 

Yeah, the early stages of compiz were kind of bad, but even then it still worked okay. Now it's really nice, and I've got two pc's (one amd / ati and the other intel / nvidia) that run it beautifully without a hiccup.

The big problem that plagues compiz and indeed all of ubuntu in one way or another is poor nvidia support. Whenever the kernel gets updated it breaks the nvidia drivers, which is pretty obnoxious. Nvidia is in bed with microsoft and really doesn't care about getting stable linux drivers out, which is dumb because linux users buy graphics card too! ATI in general has been a lot easier on ubuntu, and I haven't really had any problems.

I would give compiz another shot, it's gotten a lot better. But if kwin works then enjoy! That's the beauty of linux, to each his own

 

Dude, ATI has been the worst.......there weren't even drivers for a while.....

 

None of the bugs I had with compiz were traceable to problems with the nVidia drivers.

As to ATI vs nVidia, my previous laptop had an ATI GPU and the ATI support was utterly horrendous. It was bad to the point that I had to keep two X configurations and switch back and forth between them: if I wanted crashy hardware acceleration I used one, if I wanted stability (at the cost of speed) I used the other.

nVidia has been much much better in comparison. Not perfect but close.

Maybe things have changed after ATI was bought out by AMD but after 3 years of pain with ATI, it is going to take a lot for me to switch back. When I bought my new laptop last summer, all models with ATI GPUs were automatically disqualified from consideration.

 

ATI support for linux has probably increased because AMD bought them out - seeing as AMD is a sponser of openSUSE, if im not wrong.

But in general, for linx, nvidia cards are much better then ATI cards, mostly because of driver issues.

 

ATI has improved a lot, I even play some linux games and Windows games(under wine).

 

If they take the time to port the source engine to Linux they might as well port to OS X as well. I can't imagine they would be rewriting the renderer in OpenGL...

 

i'm glad i only play wow. i don't think i've ever had an issue running wow in wine. ventrilo even works in wine. very well actually. after setting up pulseaudio, i can use my internal mic on my 1720 so no need for a headset. surprisingly, it sounds really clear. all i need now is for the rgba patches to be ready for the murrine engine. yay!

 

You've been using linux a lot longer than I have. In my personal experience, going from an nvidia 7800 gtx to an ati 4850, it's a lot easier. It seemed like at least once a week I would get the "Vesa-compatible" screen of death before my login, running at 640x480, requiring that I go to safe mode and rewrite my x server config file, over and over and over....

So many solutions on the forums, some said envyng, others said to roll back drivers... my roommate in college who was a compsci major gave up on ubuntu and switched to gentoo because of his own nvidia issues.

But if they're all working now, then I guess it's water under the bridge.

 

very nice, I especially could go for the faster login

 

Wouldn't that make it Ubuntu's problem?

 

I have an nVidia 8600GT...I'm a complete Linux n00b and it's working right well in Ubuntu...compiz is a beauty! (altough sometimes the "animations" get a bit fluttered...and maybe that is more of a problem than I think).

 

I've gotten to the stage where I don't bother about the animations. At first I showed it to my friends and such, but now, I'm just past that. There's more to Linux than a desktop cube.

Those additions look really nice. Out of curiosity, will they be added to 8.04 as updates?