So all my previous attempts to even boot to Linux Mint failed on my MSI GT75 Titan.
Yesterday I tried Ubunto 18.10 and what do you know! It booted right off the USB as a Live Image and everything was working out of the box like LAN/WLAN. Big improvement from the past where nothing worked on my laptop..
Now, I am using the basic Graphics Driver I see because the FN Key brightness up/down, I see the slider going up and down but the brightness doesn't change.
So I downloaded the latest nVIDIA Driver for linux: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-410.93.run
I double clicked on the file then got this Window and I see a little progress bar but it never ends...nothing happens...
what am I doing wrong here?
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Linux has extremely poor support for graphics drivers. So if the newest doesnt work you can try older versions as well. Also even after getting drivers installed, chances are you're still not getting brightness control.Spartan@HIDevolution likes this. -
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You see this is exactly why I can never even start using this OS! It's so not user friendly!
@Mr. Fox This is a joke man! Watch the video I bet you will turn it off towards the middle.Vasudev likes this. -
It is not as easy to do some things as it is with Windows, but the main issue I have with it is how limited everything is. Development is contingent upon volunteer spare time Linux fans that are generally not avid gamers, overclockers or the latest PC hardware junkies. So, the development that does occur is often limited to what they want and need from the OS, and the hardware they use to support their hobby. I totally get that, and it is understandable. But, it also is why I will keep using Windows in spite of what a sucky piece of crap Windoze OS X has become.
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In 5 years nvidia will ease up on Linux for easy driver operation like Win 10.
I still like those cmds even for Windows.
You guys should try learning to use Linux as an alternative since W10 will become a hot mess to be avoided and Azure will take-over! Re-purpose your older laptops and you will know why Linux runs faster than Windows on same hardware w/o any tweaks. Battery life will be pathetic on Optimus laptops. Intel+Radeons combo are the best for OS X and Linux.
I always wonder WTH Linux is faster after kernel upgrades constantly for 5 years and no slowdowns.
If you want a easy to follow always use Puget system as reference, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/h...h-NVIDIA-Drivers-and-any-Desktop-Flavor-1178/Mr. Fox likes this. -
I'm pretty sure we've covered this before, but just in case I'm mis-remembering - Live Boot uses the X.Org.X Server (open source) drivers. I didn't watch the video, but there are ways to recreate a Live Boot CD with the nvidia drivers. And creating a new Live Boot CD with those drivers is a complicated process.
However, with that said, if you actually go and install Ubuntu (or Linux Mint for that matter), during the install it asks what drivers to use nvidia's or the open source video driver (default). You simply choose the nvidia drivers. Also, I thought @Dennismungai said the wifi drivers would be there upon install as well. I think your biggest problem is trying to go off the Live Boot CD, which is a 'least common denominator' type of boot, and has never worked correctly for your MSI taptop.
Does the MSI let you boot up to an external drive or would you be willing to swap drives? An installation may be all you need to see it work properly on the taptop.
In regards to driver updates, I usually wait for the patches to come from Ubuntu or Linux Mint and those are handled even more simply that Windows driver installation. But if you want a version that was built a few days ago, I will grant you that point that changing them is a very tedious process.
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One question before I do this, will it detect my RAID 0 array so I can install it on that or is there anything I need to do beforehand to make it see the RAID Array?
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This might be a bit confusing since when I did it, the the partition section of the isntaller will show the RAID volume as 'dmraid mapper' (or something like that) AND the individual drives of the RAID show up as well, but I do wish they would address this.
In any case, it is a matter of choosing the correct device ( just choose the device with the correct sizing, which will be the 'mapper', dmraid mapper, or whatever it is labeled ). My x7200 was given to a colleague, so I don't have it in hand for reference. Also, I tried doing a quick search for some help sites, as RAID installation is now handled in the GUI install. ( The stuff I found was from the old text based installation days. ) If you run into questions, and can post from another device, I will get my old x7200 from the co-worker in order to help.
In regards to secure boot. I see some distributions have been signed with the Microsoft keys (or whatever keys are stored in your UEFI) to allow it to install, but if you can disable it, you wouldn't have to worry about it.
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@jclausius and @Dennismungai Any idea what's wrong with CUBIC or Ubuntu Customizer failing at initramfs screen. I checked out Livecd creator manual from Ubuntu and I'm doing everything right. In a VM it boots fine with latest apps, drivers and kernel.
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Some, such as older Broadcom hardware, the newer Killer 1550, among others (notably the cheap hybrid Bluetooth+ wifi combos found on some Dell systems), may not work out of the box.
They're a long way from being usable.
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Linux is a playground. You can do so much with it and its pretty lightweight, but someone gotta love this type of thinkering, otherwise stay away from linux. -
I tried booting on 4 PCs and all had same issue even on Intel+radeon and intel only setups.Last edited: Jan 28, 2019 -
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Short story: you clicked on a file that was meant to be run from the terminal. Downloading the NVIDIA binary straight from their website can be a little tricky if you aren't used to Linux. There is a much easier way.
Long story: For the NVIDIA binary package, there is a README
Or you can just install the nividia driver package from Ubuntu, easy peasy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Installation
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Ok I am done with this BS. I have no patience to figure out **** that should work so simply, even installing the OS doesn't work, it can't even see my RAID Array
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I don't know what to say with that error. On the x7200, the RAID array I created in the BIOS just shows up. It is strange it doesn't find any devices (hard drives) in your system.
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Linux Mint was worse, it would start the installation, then ask me if I want to install 3rd party apps and drivers like graphics cards and whatnot, so I select yes and enter a password as it requests but then it freezes there.
I am not wasting any more calories on Linux thanks a lot for your help brojclausius likes this. -
I'm sorry it doesn't work, but I also understand about how much effort would be required and your frustration and want to just move on... Besides in the end, after many hours, it may still not even work on your taptop's make.
It seems most MSI laptop models have some Linux issues, but something like a Clevo or AW may make a better Linux install candidate:
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread...d364b39d54858f9128e88&p=13654645#post13654645
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=313651.msg1796665#msg1796665
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mdadm (software RAID) performs very similarly since BIOS RAID is software driven anyway. In the case of mdadm it'll work across any distro and hardware as well. -
If you're okay with AHCI then its better. Even bloated and non-optimised Linux distro will simply fly on your setup.
The reason why terminal is preferred is because you can see progress of update in real time even if you don't use -v or verbose option. The GUI appears stuck 90% of the time so I use xterm all the time.
Never opt for OEM install instead use Try Ubuntu or Install Ubuntu options. They break more things very often post-install.
Linux works best on older PCs so if you have one, you can use Xubuntu or Lubuntu on it.
In RAID mode, I think the SSD will be detected as /dev/raid0(nvme) instead of /dev/sda. I think your USB drive is incorrectly detected as SSD.
As for single click exe installation, I'd recommend you to install Q4wine from ubuntu repo.
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I got notification, that you quoted me in this thread. LOL I never posted in this thread (except for now). This is really weird.
Take a look. If I click on the notification, it gets me to post #24.
PS. This is to make you laugh !!! You BROke into the boring fluency of this forum LOLLast edited: Jan 29, 2019 -
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Got it. Now I know how to make 'ghost' alerts LOL
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And tied to this:
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That probably explains why I had no issue seeing the RAID volume on the x7200 with its i7-970
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https://askubuntu.com/questions/69432/livecd-with-nvidia-binary-drivers
*Don't* double click on the installer after you've downloaded it. It's actually a shell script, but when downloaded it isn't executable and file managers might not recognize the ".run" extension. Instead, after it's downloaded, open a shell (command window) and type
sudo sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-410.93.run
After you install that driver, you can follow the instructions in the link above to build a live USB image.
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I think this goes to @Ultra Male's point that he shouldn't have to do this. It should just 'work'.
And while I run Linux myself, I understand the reasoning behind his objections.
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Err, or click the 'more details' button at the very least. You can look at the system log with Ctrl+Alt+F1 through F5, depends on the distro.
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However, from a developer perspective things are more complicated. For example, it's not practical to build Nvidia Binary drivers into any open distro due to licensing limitations. It's also unreasonable to expect Nouveau to function all that well (given it's based primarily on reverse engineering due to lack of source material). Ironically, AMD are lightyears ahead in this particular endeavour.
Similarly, with DMRAID, I suspect that there's simply nobody who works on it because there are far superior options available (zfs-raid, LVM + mdadm etc). Don't forget, Intel themselves could contribute to the DMRAID module themselves and yet they don't.
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Fake-RAID or not, expert knowledge or not, the point is moot. Ultra Male wanted to install, and that install failed on him. End of story. He's done. Kaput. No more. I find this discouraging, as I really think he would sing Linux's praises if he could get to use it.
With that in mind, this is NOT an untypical story. I've had many non-tech friends, shy away from Linux. That is unfortunate. Linux will not make as many in-roads into PC-land as it could when users are frustrated like this. And this is a shame, since Microsoft, in their evolution of Windows 10, is driving more and more people to the point of making a change.
Also, I think part of this can be placed at the feet of MSI as well. It's too bad they can't hire 2 or 3 folks to be their 'Linux' team, coming up with articles, shell scripts, and whatever else it would take to help their customers get onto Linux. But for all I know they may have incentive from MS on Windows pricing or looking at keeping expenses down to even do such a thing.
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If I had seen this thread earlier I would've suggested ditching Fake Raid altogether and this grand total of 3 commands to install nvidia drivers.
- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
- sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y
- sudo apt-get install nvidia-415
Otherwise, Linux works fantastically well and a hell of a lot better than Windows as far as core usability. Particularly when it comes to updates. Once you've installed your Nvidia drivers you basically just "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" for a couple of YEARS before thinking about build updates (or just use the Package Updater GUI included in many distros). Windows updates happen automatically and almost always leave broken garbage in it's wake AND you have to manually clean up the "old" installation after it.
Not to mention saving your settings/profile is literally a matter of taking a copy of your "/home/<username>" directory and dumping it back out onto the new installation. The idea is so simple and yet absolute light-years ahead of Windows in execution.
For the most part, Intel only machines and even modern AMD machines have no such issues these days. At least the days of compiling your own WiFi driver modules and Binary GPU blobs blowing your Xorg config to hell every update are gone.Mr. Fox, xDjinn, rlk and 1 other person like this. -
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Even though I have the nVIDIA 390 driver installed, the colors are so washed out it's hurting my eyesLast edited: Feb 27, 2019jclausius likes this. -
Use 415.xx driver. Usually all features from 418/419 are backported in 415/410 drivers. So, drivers in ubuntu work a lot different than windows. Nvidia stock uses non optimal values to kill OpenGL,Vulkan,OpenCL and even CUDA support making the laptop utter useless. -
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If icc profile hasn't been modified or corrupt then I feel disabling dithering fixes most issues. Actually, for me w/o dithering it hurts my eyes and produces washed out colors. -
Ionising_Radiation ?v = ve*ln(m0/m1)
Linux is anything but limited; many of my peers, seniors, and professors in my CS major course use it to a great extent. It gets a lot of things done, with little hassle. You don't need to turn off a billion privacy-invading features, for instance. In return, you learn exactly how operating systems work (as @Ultra Male has proven so colourfully: 'do I need to take a coding class to learn Linux?' Answer: yes).
You lot only like Windows because it's familiar.
Code:sudo apt install Chrome
Code:pacman -Syu
Linux is extraordinarily powerful, as is the command line. The sooner this is impressed upon the general public, the better.Last edited: Mar 2, 2019 -
So far I've not even been able to install Linux on my X299 Dark motherboard, and it seems from the web searching I have been doing that X299 isn't fully supported. It looks like you have to do goofy things to get it to partially function, like disabling Hyperthreading in the BIOS, and there are still ACPI errors. This is not user-friendly and I don't have enough hours in a day to start over learning from scratch. I need it to at least work so I can learn in my spare time if we want to see Windows die. (I do want to see Windows die, but I don't want to not be able to run all of the software I enjoy using.)
Edit: I am typing this from an OpenSUSE Live session. It looks like SUSE might be my only real hope of having a functional Linux installation on an X299 motherboard. Ubuntu 18 and the latest Mint are not compatible (constant lock-ups either during the bootloading process or shortly after arriving at the desktop). I have only gotten this far because I chose failsafe mode. Even SUSE locks up in normal booting mode.
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One question, what graphics card are you using? "Safe mode" is probably using a generic VGA driver. If you have a very new NVidia card, I could see having trouble.
To address another point, Linux isn't simply developed by hobbyists in their spare time. Linux has substantial backing by large corporations; many if not most of the core developers of major components are working on it full time.
I don't think it's very fair to say that Linux is very limited because it doesn't support the software you run. That may very well mean it's not a good choice for you, but that doesn't mean that it's very limited broadly speaking.Mr. Fox and Ionising_Radiation like this. -
I'm admittedly a hard core command line user myself, but then again I've been using UNIX and Linux for 35 years and have worked for multiple UNIX and Linux mothership companies as a system software engineer/engineering manager/technical project manager. I rarely use Windows, but I find it very frustrating not having a good programmable command line available to see what's going on underneath. If I have problems with some software I'm used to cloning a copy of it and trying to dig into whatever's going on.
I'm admittedly not much of a gamer (the hardest core game I play is Minesweeper at 10x10, which a Z80 should be able to handle comfortably). So I can't speak very much to that aspect of things.jclausius, Vasudev and Ionising_Radiation like this. -
See my signature. Yes, I overclock everything and my GPU is a 2080 Ti. All I can find on the web while searching for solutions is lots of people struggling with Linux on X299 systems. Some are getting them to work with limited functionality. I finished the installation. I am replying from OpenSUSE right now. I have 640x480 maximum screen resolution and trying to figure out how to get a usable display driver installed. It took me about a half hour to get my wired network connection working, but figured it out through trial and error. Not sure why that wasn't just automatically done by the OS setup. Should have been. It was automatic with the Live USB environment. -
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@rlk, while I agree with the rest of your reply,
I only have one gripe: I use my touchpad to a very large extent, and Linux has very poor support for multi-touch gestures. After Windows implemented its Precision Touchpad drivers, I've never been able to use Linux with my touchpad properly.
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How to install nVIDIA Graphics Driver in Linux?
Discussion in 'Linux Compatibility and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jan 28, 2019.