Is KDE 4.1 stable?

I'm feeling like trying KDE 4.1 but heard stuff like it crashing and stuff. Is it true that only KDE4.2 will be the stable version and 4.1 is just a Beta?

 

I tried KDE 4.1.2 in the brand new Mandriva Linux One 2009 KDE.

It sucks. Period. Yes, it's stable and I didn't have any crash, but new KDE is completely stupid and frustrating for using. This "Plasma" mambo jambo is peak of idiocy. Everything is comlicated compared to GNOME.

GNOME 2.24 FTW . I only miss superb power management from KDE 4.1.2 .

 

Thing is, I'm thinking of trying out KDEmod with Arch, and didn't like KDEmod based on KDE3, so was wondering if KDE4.1 is good, then the KDEmod based on that might be worth a visit.

 

Don't know for Arch. Never tried this distro .

Generally, KDE 4.x is unstable (like in openSUSE 11), but my experience with Mandriva Linux One 2009 KDE and limited experience with Fedora 10 beta live CD KDE is positive about stability (no crashes occurred and I installed both on hard disk for testing). But still, it sucks for me and many .

 

I guess I'll keep with Gnome until KDE4.2 comes out, then.

 

I tried KDE 4.1 for about 2 days and went back to KDE 3.5.x. 4.1 was a pain and I couldn't even do basic stuff like creating links on the desktop. I really wanted to play with it since I put it on my experimental machine(my laptop), but grew frustrated with it quickly. I would recommend you stay with 3.5.x if you want to go with KDE. KDE 4 should be really nice when they fix more stuff.

 

I also tried 4.1 for a little while and I hated it. Yes it looks nice, but it was uncomfortable to use and it crashed frequently. KDE 3.5 is much better imho

 

Coming from a Gnome environment with Ubuntu, I tried KDE3mod with Arch for a while. And somehow, I just didn't like KDE. It felt clunky and more bloated that Gnome, somewhat. there were TONS of programs in the menu, and I have never seen so many "k"s. I guess it's a matter of apples or oranges, and I've just gotten more used to apples, that's all.

 

I'm going to check it out I guess...are you normally a KDE user? I'll post my opinion on this also since I only use KDE.

 

I'm glad I'm not alone on my opinion of KDE4. I tried Kubuntu recently on my ThinkPad; I always used KDE since back in the 5.04 days but switched to GNOME around the Edgy alphas since the early alphas back then didn't always have Kubuntu variants. I liked GNOME, but as I've gotten more into the deeper workings of the system I found I missed the more advanced configuration options present in KDE - GNOME, in effect, seems to simplistic and Mac-like and I find myself digging around in config files for options that really should have GUI frontends.

Well I tried out the Kubuntu 8.10 Beta on my ThinkPad, and words cannot express how disappointed I am with KDE4. All of the ease of configuration is gone, for one. The stability and performance have been shot out the windows, too - KDE took nearly twice as long to load from login as GNOME, and applications and menus feel sluggish as well. Dolphin - which lacks the tabbed browsing that Konquerer had and Nautilus now has - wouldn't display my jump drive even though fstab mounted it and I could see it in the device list. And what if I don't want widgets? No, I don't want to "hide widgets" or "lock widgets", I want widgets gone! Turned off and not wasting system resources! Even in Vista I can do that! Some applications - KDE apps no less, like KBluetooth - wouldn't launch at all. I can't right click items in the menu anymore, and where did my quick launch go? Tell me they didn't replace it with the "favorites" menu - the whole point of the quick launch is not needing to open a menu! It seems they have totally missed what people liked about KDE and honestly I can't recommend it over GNOME of XFCE any more, for anyone.

 

I can't agree with you on the comparison, but I can admit to the fact that when I click on some programs, nothing happens. It's as if they install the shortcut but not the program itself.

 

I agree with the opinions of KDE4.x. I ran it for about a month while I was running Fedora 9. It was mostly stable once kde 4.1.1 was released, but its missing a ton of features. It was so bad that I reverted back to Fedora 8.

I don't get the whole desktop/ folder view thing. I want my desktop to act like a regular desktop, ie like it did in KDE 3.5.

As far as I am concerned, the KDE team really messed up with KDE 4. It will be very interesting to see how they handle things going forward.

KDE 4.2 is the next release that will contain improvements. It is supposed to ship in January. I have my fingers crossed that functionality improves significantly.

 

I've had a couple of application crashes, and couldn't figure out how to use the "Dashboard" for the life of me. But overall it's been OK, certainly not as good as my Ubuntu install but OK....

 

I haven't checked out KDE 4 since the early Suse release....then it was missing a ton, but I'll get some time maybe today to see what I think.

 

Cool.. Tell us what you think, then.

 

Huh. I've actually found that I kinda like KDE 4.1. I'm not about to use it at work since Kubuntu still has some Python crashes and other little niggly details that need worked out (panels have a way of resetting themselves weirdly, etc.), but I have it as the only DE on my personal laptop and use it pretty regularly.

The trick is realizing that the desktop isn't a folder view any more. That's all it ever really was. You can emulate it like Kubuntu does by default with the desktop plasmoid, but I find that I like it much better the way it is. The little folder-explorer widget will navigate my home directory great, makes it much faster to get to files I want, and so on. Just realize that it's a paradigm change... if you want things to be what you're used to and work like you're used to, you won't like KDE4.1. If you feel like exploring and giving a new interface a real chance, I think they've done a really good job.

 

that is more likely Mandriva's fault than KDE's.

they opted for bleeding edge by including a KDE point release (4.1.2) which came out at the same time as Mandriva 2009 itself.

if you look at opensuse they intend to include only 4.1.2 even though they won't release until Dec 18th. that gives them 9 weeks to properly integrate the K desktop into the distribution.

I used 4.1.1 with opensuse 11.0 and it was fine.

 

I just installed Kubuntu 8.10 Beta and I have to say I like it. But, I'm a KDE fan of sorts. Gnome bores me after a while for some reason. I like this version better than Opensuse's KDE4 I used a few months back, but the config options I'm sure will get better with time. I haven't tried to Sync my Blackberry yet, etc. I'm sure I'll post something on that later.

 

That surely has to do with the Kubuntu team as well. I'm just wondering how KDE by itself is.

 

Is KDE 4.x the default KDE with Kubuntu 8.10?

 

Yes....I'm working now, haven't had much time to really probe it, but it's better than what I remember a few months ago in a Kubuntu kinda way I want to resize my Panel !!

 

Is there any KDE themes which aren't so black(IDK of any themes for KDE, I'm a KDE noob xD), it reminds me of Vista... My Ubuntu Studio 7.04 theme doesn't, but the 8.04 one does too... IDK why I hate the look of Vista. I don't mind using it... .
EMZ=]

 

stick to gnome bro .. or u can just test drive kde on virtualbox see how it runs before commiting to it full time . i never likd kde btw

 

Same, but I just honestly think it was because it looked like Vista... people will lol at this, but seriously, anything that looks like Vista automatically looks sickly to me... If I ever get a Vista PC, I will straight away go to the classic theme .
EMZ=P

 

well my notebook came with vista preinstalled so .. but i have ubuntu 8.1beta and xp sp3 and kubuntu on virtual box lol

tried to put hackintosh but didn't succeed

 

Heh, awesome. My own laptop doesn't run VMs very well. May I recommend:
http://wubi-installer.org/
Then you can dual-boot between Ubuntu and Vista, Ubuntu would run a lot faster when you boot from it . You've probably heard of it already, but yeah. If you haven't, I can go into more detail .
EMZ=]

 

yes i use wubi on ubuntu . u dun have to download wubi it's integrated in ubuntu now i have ubuntu on wubi and xp on vb

 

Yeah, I noticed 'Wubi-installer.exe' in the .ISO when I was browsing through it . May I ask why you've not install Ubuntu fully, is a VB machine enough power for you?
EMZ=]

 

i don't want to mess with the mbr .. wubi is very fast almost same as normal dual boot .. and if ur bored with it u can just unistall it .. and also u can convert wubi to a normal dual boot .. so it's like holding the stick from the middle

 

i only use xp on vb for photoshop or to run some apps that's won't work on ubuntu not for gaming .. and if u haven't tried virtual box u should totally give it a shot it's the fastest virtual machine out there

 

This is going INCREDIBLY off topic, but I have tried Virtual Box and I get this error...
'
The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. You will need to logout for the change to take effect..
VBox status code: -1909 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_ACCESSIBLE).


Result Code:
0x80004005
Component:
Console
Interface:
IConsole {1dea5c4b-0753-4193-b909-22330f64ec45} '
Everytime I try to run a VM. I have installed the packages it's moaning about though :/. But yeah, xD. Quemu just freezes and VM Ware Server doesn't even show up on my applications list. Not that I need to run anything other than Ubuntu. I'd just buy a Flash drive and install it onto that, they're so cheap now .
EMZ=]

 

This should be in another thread. But you basically aren't part of the vboxusers group (or whatever it is) so you can't access the functions of the driver.

 

never had that error .. the only annoying thing about ubuntu and vbox is that the new ubuntu doesn't automount partitions and i tried to automount but failed i am a noob in terminal .. other than never had that error .. try updating ur packages and getting the new vbox maybe it will fix that error

 

Thanks +1 rep. for you! .
EMZ=P

 

I am GNOME user. Only KDE distro I like is PCLOS and I see new 2009 Beta 1 sticks with old KDE 3.5 (for good reasons).

Good to hear , but I had hell with openSUSE 10.3, later with 11 and I'll see what will happen with 11.1 (don't want to mess with betas).

 

What kernel version does PCLOS use now? They been virually dead for the longest time...I never could use it because of lack of 4965 support.

 

Just recompile the Vbox driver...or check my blog below...you'll need to do it every time you upgrade a kernel...no biggie.

 

He has the driver installed, it just can't be accessed. That's why it says the driver can't be accessed by the current user, rather than saying the driver couldn't be found or something similar. He needed to add his user to the vboxusers group, which is part of the virtualbox configuration ("dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-ose" or whatever version he's using. I use "virtualbox-2.0" from Sun since it supports 64bit distros).

When you update the kernel, then is when you need to do the "/etc/init.d/virtualbox setup" step, but that only recompiles the module. It won't do the group twiddling that's necessary.

 

yeah...that's the ticket...sorry for not reading well

 

I downloaded PCLOS 2009 beta 1 last night and booted as live CD.

kernel 2.6.26.6.tex2
KDE 3.5.10

It's not bad, but KDE 3.5 is Linux XP (look) and I don't like it... Even more, I don't like bunch applications which begin with K...this, K...that , and it's hard for me to find what I need (much easier is GNOME). As I said, it's my impression.

Anyway, KDE 3.5 is better for me than KDE 4.1.

If you want to experiment with new KDE 4.1 new openSUSE 11.1 beta 3 is out today :
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05153

I started download of both GNOME and KDE live CDs version.

Quick Look at KDE 4.2-SVN

P.S.
I badly need external HDD so I can experiment more with Linux distros as my HDD is small...

 

So do I *sigh*