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    Linux Mint 19 "Tara"

    Discussion in 'Linux Compatibility and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jun 30, 2018.

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    booted off a live USB of Linux Mint Cinnamon 19 and as usual, no wireless connectivity and no graphics driver. I can't believe that such basic thing can't be incorporated into the OS.

    Now, where do I get a driver for the Killer 1550 and my nVIDIA Driver for the GTX 1080 for Linux?
     
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    Didn't we cover this in an earlier thread on Mint 18.x?? It's all about installing...

    The nVidia drivers are there on install, not from a live boot from dvd. The install will go thru the detection for hardware, and one of the last steps upon install will ask if you want to use proprietary drivers...i.e. nVidia drivers for video and Intel microcode for CPU.

    Also, IIRC someone posted instructions for Killer wifi if the detection doesn't pick it up.

    I'm just waiting for their upgrade instructions to go from 18.3 to 19.
     
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    There are restrictions placed on open source community not to redistribute Proprietary blobs on an ISO. That's the reason most Linux distro exclude mp3 and proprietary audio codecs from being slipped into the ISO. Since mp3 is superseded by Fraunhoffer IIS and said to use alternative codecs. So now you get those codecs included in ISO these days.
    So you get what I'm saying.
    For Killer 1550 use this link to compile your kernel with patch files https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8dupil/rivet_killer_1550_support_linuxubuntu/
    Add nv graphics PPA https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
    You might have to install alsa audio dkms pkg if you want Creative or ESS Sabre to work correctly.
    Linux works best on older hardwares. You need to disable secure boot for Linux.
     
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    I can verify that the proprietary nVidia drivers are downloaded during an install of Linux Mint. Dunno about the Atheos drivers for Killer wifi, but do recall someone posting instructions regarding install.
     
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    Just an update - I did a fresh install of LM 19 [ http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/removal-of-os-from-efi-grub.820741/ ], overwriting my previous LM 18.3 install.

    After installation, the System Drivers were set to open source, but that's easily adjusted...

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    In LM 18.3 there was also an intel-microcode option on the Driver Manager page. I don't know what happened to that option in LM 19... it may have been removed or moved to a new location.
     
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    I have not seen a debian based live distro in the past eight years or so that was unable to detect the wifi card, so I found your post quite interesting.
    Looking into your issue, it seems that intel has slow-walked driver development for the newest hardware (it took some extra time for the killer 1535 to get support as well, from a quick google search). I haven't looked too deeply, so I'm not sure if it's just slower linux-firmware updates restricting the problem due to licensing or if it's because they have to rewrite generic open source drivers from scratch with each new iteration of intel's hardware. Blame intel, not the devs. Personally, I'm thankful that we don't have to compile drivers ourselves anymore because of licensing restrictions.

    As far as the native nvidia driver support (you'll still get a display with open source drivers, but without the nvidia binary blob you'll be extremely short on features and probably performance), you won't get that on any liveUSBs again because of licensing issues.

    Open source programmers have to be very careful so they aren't steamrolled by the big companies like this guy: https://www.polygon.com/windows/201...ndgren-windows-restore-disks-microsoft-prison
    Distribute any code or information from the big companies regardless of profit or intent and you too can get squashed like a bug by a judge's gavel weighted down with hundred dollar bills.

    Microsoft, Intel/Nvidia and the rest have created an environment of hostility and paranoia, and it's an absolute shame because the result is slower technological progress in the name of selling more units with carefully constructed planned obsolescence.
     
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    @Vasudev, for the wifi, Phoenix will need drivers for Killer AC 1550, so I don't believe the Intel wifi drivers will work.

    In regards to the other links, I think the point @Phoenix is trying to make is that in today's age Linux distribution, he shouldn't have to mess around finding, compiling, and installing his drivers from outside the installation, and it should just work.

    However, I do believe, if he would install LM 19, and choose the option for installing third party software, which includes vendor supplied video and wifi drivers, he may find he doesn't need to monkey with any of this, and it may just work after checking after install... It's not a true test to judge a distribution based on the Live Boot image.
     
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    I think Killer 1550 shares same codebase as iwlwifi blob for linux which contains firmwares for 9260 since Intel started merging/open sourcing proprietary blobs.
    However Linux won't support new HWs on first day instead they mature as years go by. Even my Killer 1535 is working perfectly since 4.13 kernel and above. Its performance is close to Windows 10.
    @Phoenix Did the iwlwifi work for you?
     
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    I'm not
    I'm not up to speed on Killer Wi-Fi cards. Aren't they all Qualcomm Atheos based cards and would require Atheos drivers? Does Killer just rebrand Intel wifi now?
     
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    Not all of them. The new 1550 is an Intel-based SKU customized by Rivet Networks LLC for the Killer Networking branding.

    Apparently, this is a collaboration between Rivet Networks LLC and Intel Corp.
     
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    I had no idea. Thanks for educating me on this subject.
     
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    Hi guys, think I'm in a similar position..
    I'm new and a complete noob to linux (mint 19) and for the life of me I dont no how to get it to recognize my Killer 1550 wireless..
    So atm I only have internet when running a wired connection.
    Brand new custom laptop with fresh install of linux mint 19 as OS.
    Anyone able to give me some easy trouble shooting - guide to get my Killer 1550 up and running?
    Any help would be much appreciated, I've read a few posts but I feel like I'm only getting more confused!
    Thanks in advance
     
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    1) Is your WiFi turned *on* in your BIOS or any other mechanical switchy-doo-dad that may need to be turned on?
    2) When you installed LM 19, did you choose to install the third-party drivers / software?
     
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    There are no separate Killer drivers, the standard drivers are Intel (iwlwifi) or Qualcomm (ath10k) depending on 1550 (9260ac) or 1535 (QCA6174A) as Killer merely re-badges existing products, they do not make drivers either. Reason the 1550 isn't detected probably has to do with device ID even though the hardware is the same as the 9260ac.

    Here is a solution to the WiFi issue: (Patch adds the 1550 device ID to the iwlwifi firmware)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/8dupil/rivet_killer_1550_support_linuxubuntu/

    As for nVdia you can use the built in open source driver or directly download proprietary drivers from nVidia's site.
    https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/12

    nVidia's driver site (Linux):
    http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/136120/en-us
     
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    @Phoenix, does this give you enough info to venture out and try an install?
     
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    He wants Linux Mint to work on LiveCD from the start otherwise it doesn't pique his interest. He has too many RAID drives and setting them up from scratch is a hassle.
     
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    This, I want to make sure it works before I format my drives and spend days copying all the data back.

    BTW, can I setup my 3x 960 PROs (6TB total) as 2 partitions in Linux just like I have in Windows or does it not support RAID?
     
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    Been a while since I used Linux myself though I have installed Mint/Ubuntu for others a few months back and I have done it before, but basically yes you can, this should help, unlike in the video where he uses terminal you can easily look for gparted in the Mint app store.
     
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    I tried this v2, but Linux still can't get my touchpad to work out of the box. I tried the various workarounds as explained in release notes, but still no touchpad support. Which makes it useless for my notebook. I would love to abandon windows 10 forever.
     
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    Elan or Synaptics toucchpad?
     
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    Neither. Its a i2c over hid mouse. There are no touchpad drivers from the manufacturer for it (tongfang gk5cn6z), only intel i2c drivers for windows 10. After they are installed the touchpad works and it picks up microsoft own precision driver. That's why I can't install windows 7 on it, since it lacks support for i2c over hid mouse.

    But just now found some interesting links;

    https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/73599-PC-specialist-Recoil-II-TouchPad-not-found

    https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showt...hpad-on-Teclast-F7-laptop-under-Kubuntu-18-04



    I'll test this and see if I can get it to work.
     
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    I believe you installed Intel HID drivers for your mouse, correct?
    I think Linux kernel 4.19 has them. Maybe Ukuu with latest upstream kernel might work. Have you tried installing linux-firmware package and see if it worked for you?
     
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    Tried installing latest linux-firmware package, and I was already on the latest.
    Installed Ukuu, thanks for the link, then got the latest 4.19 rc2 installed, but no luck.
     
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    Try cosmic cuttlefish's firmware 1.175 using gdebi https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware
    Try this steps as well https://askubuntu.com/questions/1041820/touchpad-not-working-on-ubuntu-18-04
    Had the same issue/bug on dell 5577 with MS Precision touchpad that uses Intel i2C HID. I have to keep the usb mouse connected before booting for touchpad to work. Sometimes the touchpad won't work at all.
     
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    Tried cuttlefish's firmware 1.175 using gdebi but gdebi gives me an error: no longer provides Linux-firmware when I open the .deb file with gdebi

    less /proc/bus/input/devices showed no touchpad.

    These also gave nothing
    sudo rmmod i2c_hid
    sudo modprobe i2c_hid

    Appreciate your help.
     
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    Then open up terminal wherever you downloaded the linux firmware deb file.
    Type
    Code:
    sudo dpkg -i linux-firmware_1.175_all.deb
     
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    Ok got the linux-firmware_1.175 installed over the v.1.173. But still no luck.
    I also followed the steps in editing the grub file and updated the changes, but still no touchpad.

    Apparently more people are struggling with linux touchpad support on this tongfang model;
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...tongfang-gk5cn6z.815943/page-88#post-10791360

    I really enjoy Linux Mint, so hopefully it will be solved soon.
     
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    Ok cool.
     
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    For the touchpad to work, use the following grub settings in /etc/default/grub (see how my line looks like below):

    GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=1 acpi_enforce_resources=lax i8042.reset acpi_osi=! acpi_osi=Windows 2015"

    Then update grub:

    sudo update-grub

    And reboot:

    sudo systemctl reboot

    And retest.

    Let me know if this helps.
     
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    Thanks I'll try this! I found a link that maybe you can help me out with?

    https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200787

    It's about this trackpad.
     
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    I see. Try out the workarounds first.

    The link mentions an out of tree patch that solves the issue. Let me go through it first.
     
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    @steberg what distro are you running?
     
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    Mint 19.
     
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    The latest mint 19!
    Appreciate your help!
    It's all like greek for me, but would like it to work. Reading up on it though.
     
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    So, @steberg, here's how this goes: This needs someone to fetch the kernel sources, merge the aforementioned patch(es), compile the custom kernel from source and then have it installed.

    I can do the three steps above for you (fetch sources, merge the patchwork and build the kernel packages) that you'll then install, and also include documentation on how that's done.

    Is that okay with you?
     
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    Wow, that would be very kind of you! Don't want to be spoonfed, but this is way over my paygrade...
     
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    I'd suggest you to make a Macrium reflect Image for your linux partition or whole drive with Windows if you're dual booting off single drive.
    Then open gedit or mousepad or leafpad editor in sudo mode (gksu is deprecated) open the grub file and edit/add the lines Dennis said and do update-grub as sudo and reboot. As an added measure connect your ext. mouse before booting off Linux.
    These are easy steps now because if you screw up, you have a image backup that can revert back to your good linux install where everything works fine except your trackpad. I suspect it is Alps pointing device.
     
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    I'll start this soon.

    Do you have a discrete GPU (say, nvidia) on your system?

    Can you show me the output of:

    sudo dkms status
     
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    Here are the build steps, all documented and tested to generate a working kernel build with the requested patchwork applied: https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/5914aa802ca0072b586ebb89071a7e96

    I can also upload the binary artifacts if so needed, which you can install with dpkg.
     
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    Check back in an hour's time. All should be ready, including the binaries.
     
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    Excellent!
    Here is the output from "sudo dkms status"
    nvidia, 390.48, 4.15.0-33-generic, x86_64: installed
     
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    Where's your touchpad driver?
     
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    I see. A few notes: Please install the latest NVIDIA driver first from the proprietary driver PPA:

    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
    sudo apt-get update

    That should handle the upgrade for you. The current release should be at or newer than R396. You're running R390.
     
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    It won't show up in this list as its' not a DKMS component.

    His touchpad driver is an in-kernel module, mainlined.
     
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    All is done. Fetch all debs from there and install.
     
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    I'm on it now!
     
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