I place an order for a NP7330 and received it on Monday. My goal was to have 1 Msata 128Gb drive for Manjaro, 1 Msata 128 GB for Windows 8 (for games that I cant get to run on Linux and work applications) and a 750 GB Seagate Hybrid drive.
I received the laptop this past Monday (7-22-13). Overall the laptop is build very nice and the matte screen is very sharp. The 1080P does not make the text to small for me to read. I actually enjoy working on it.
Before I installed anything I made one minor change in the Bios. Disable the Intel Ani-theft option in the Bios. (It's on the the first page) It will make the install much easier. Once disabled do the following;
Boot up with your favorite distro in my case Manjaro Cinnamon X64 edition, and use Gparted. I made one Msata as ext4, the second as NTFS and finally I split the 750 gig. (500 gig as EXT4 and 250 as ntffs) Once complete reboot your system with Windows 8 disk.
Install Windows 8, once completed reboot with your distro DVD.
Install the distro on your EXT4 Msata. In my case, I made 3 partitions. One 150 meg as a boot, 20 GIg as root and the rest as home. Some minor recommendations down below. No need for a swap drive with 16 gigs of ram.
Wifi = Use the 1202 Killer wifi card or anything before that. I don't recommend using the new Intel 7260 wifi card yet. It's not build into the kernel and you will need to make your own custom kernel to make it work. It will probably be added in 3 months or less. My opinion, the reason why you dont want to mess with a custom kernel, it could bring you issues with Optimus/Nvidia drivers later. So stick with a 1202 Killer nic or the intel card before the 7260. I am using the Killer 1202 Nic card.
I am using kernel 3.9.11-1 as of now and everything is working out the box. Here are some screenshots from my machine.
![]()
![]()
![]()
Here are the specs of my machine;
CPU=4800
Wifi=Killer 1202
Ram=16 Gigss.
Msatas=Adata APG SX300 (2)
Drive=Seagate Hybrid .
Had Sager add the high end thermal compound.
Everything is working great. The wifi sees and connects to both G/N type connections. My Razer Orochi Bluetooth mouse works great. I have verified for the cpu to stay at 800 Mhz and jump up to 2.7 Ghz when needed. When I load up my games I see the CPU jump at 2.7 Ghz and it just stays there usually. Sometime I see it drop to 1.6 when I stop doing things in the actually game. My temps hover from 50 to 60C on the desktop after being on for hours. The fan is very low at those temperatures. In games my cpu's can get up to 80 C sometime they hit to 83 C but then come back down. (I am using coolermaster pad) without the coolermaster air pad my temps go up by 5 C.
The GPU idles at 50C and during long gaming sessions it reaches 65 C to 70 C. Overall this laptop can be used full time in Linux without issues.
The FN-1 options work without problem if you want to manually make the fans go full blast on your Clevo. The light FN-F12 works without issues either.
I have found 2 glitches so far.
Glitch one: FN-F8/F7 light controls do not work. You cant control the brightness as of now. I have not mess with the config files to make it work yet. I been adjusting conky to my liking instead. (FIXED READ BELOW HOW TO FIX IT.)
Glitch 2: If your playing games in one workspace, move to another workspace to work on while leaving the game on on the original workspace. When you go back to your game after a while you will crash the computer. Sometimes its 30 minutes later, sometimes its 5 minutes later. I think it has to do with Optimus/Nvidia then moving back to an Intel video card environment. If you stay in the same workspace and don't switch to another workspace you will be fine. If your playing using the intel card, you can switch between workspaces without the problem.
Overall I am very happy with this buy. The keyboard is rock solid and the computer is very fast. I am enjoying this very much. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks
Your fellow Linux Gamer.
-
To fix the brightness controls, pass
What is the output when you type -
Boukyaku if I understand you correctly, I should add this in my grub config file?
Code:GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=acpi_backlight=vendor
Code:GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= acpi_backlight=vendor
Thanks for the info.
To get the GPU temp while it was not being use, was a pain. As soon as I get home, I will post the terminal commands. Look for it by 7 pm eastern.
Thanks! -
Yes,
The only way I can see temps is to type -
boukyaku do the following;
This command should bring you the information.
Code:nvidia-smi -q -d TEMPERATURE
Code:nvidia-smi -q -d TEMPERATURE | grep Gpu
Code:nvidia-smi -q -d TEMPERATURE | grep Gpu | cut -c39-40
Thanks -
This is my output.
I will report back once I get it working.
Thanks -
Nice! I'm planning to go for a similar setup. Why didn't you buy the 6235 instead of the killer wifi card?
Also, it's pretty ironic that so many windows users are having troubles to install the nvidia drivers and you didn't have any at all, linux +1 -
Yes I was a bit worried if I was going to have any issues running the latest Nvidia drivers with Bumblebbe, but nope it went smooth sailing. To be honest with you I had more issues getting Windows 8 updated then getting my Manjaro box done.
BTW this is the command up install everything and let the OS install the latest drivers.
Code:sudo mhwd -i pci video-hybrid-intel-nvidia-bumblebee
-
Thanks so much for this! I'm considering a dual boot with Windows 8 as well. My only concern is the Intel 7260 802.11AC wi-fi card driver support is zilch right now. I may just use my 6300 for now. I was planning on using Ubuntu though. As long as I can get the keyboard light to work too, because I don't need it on when on battery.
-
Guys I updated the grub after the changes that boukyaku recommended but nothing happened. I just rebooted again and it's working. So it took 2 reboots for the light brightness to work. So now I have a full working laptop in Linux. Woohooo! -
Good info, thanks. I haven't touched Linux in a long time and am a bit nervous but looking at my use habits I could use Linux 80% of what I do. I'm tired of Microsoft and their lack of interest in what their core community has to say. So I may give it a go.
-
I am planning to have a similar setup but don't want to use a cooling pad. From another thread (Windows OS) undervolting looks promising to keep CPU cool. Would similar things be done in Linux?
I noticed that the Intel XTU runs only on Windows. May I ask:
(1) Is the Intel XTU modifying the bios such that I can do undervolting under Windows and then boot to Linux, sharing the same undervolting? Or XTU is pure software solution that I have to do something separately under Linux?
(2) In Linux I notice there is PHC for undervolting. Does it work well with Haswell? -
-
Guys if your a Left 4 Dead 2 die hard fan don't move out of windows yet on this laptop. There is a bug with optirun and L4D2. It basically crashes before the load of the level or if you do manage to get in, it once your in the safe room and when you load to the next level it crashes. I have witness both instanced and it has been reported now for about 3 months now. L4D2 is still in Beta in Linux. I have not tried part 1 yet. Hopefully on the next patch they will fix it. If you run the game with the Intel card, you will be fine.
Just an update. -
I hate to burst your bubble, but if you're not seeing anything in /proc/acpi/bbswitch then bumblebee isn't installed correctly, OR your kernel is missing its ACPI handlers.. Your dGPU is probably always on.
Here's what I get when I run that command;
Code:cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch 0000:01:00.0 OFF
Could you tell me what you get when inputing this into terminal?
Code:dmesg | grep bbswitch
If you're using kernel 3.9 then I can almost guarantee that bbswitch isn't working. I had to specifically use 3.8.4 to get ACPI handlers. There's some serious regression going on in the kernel lines for some reason. BTW my CPU is not being throttled at 800 MHZ with this kernel.
Anyway, everything (except airplane mode) works perfectly using Ubuntu 13.04 on the MYTHLOGIC Pollux 1513 in my sig. I'll probably make a thread one of these days on how to set it up.
Use Primus instead of Optirun, it's much faster and cleaner. -
Code:dmesg | grep bbswitch
Well Kernel 3.10 was released a couple of days ago for my distro and I will download it and see it takes cares of the bbswitch feature. I will get my power meter out and see the actual power draw on it with the card on "on" idle and with it off if I get bbswitch working. Thanks for information and will go back to testing. -
Just did some actual power draw.
With my current setup at idle in desktop
Current Linux Manjaro Kernel 3.9.11 = 200 mA from the wall
Windows 8 updated drivers = 160 mA from the wall.
So there is a difference of 40 mA. Which shows my GPU must be on but on idle. (that's a very small difference but if your on battery you will get better performance in Windows 8)
I will update to the new kernel of 3.10 and let you all know if it powers off the GPU. -
3.10 and above fixes the ACPI issues but unfortunately it breaks too many things on my system. Lots of regression being thrown around in the newer kernels. Let us know how many things break on your laptop with 3.10+
.
-
Guys take a look at this;
Code:3.9.11-1-MANJARO-dsngjoe
Code:0000:01:00.0 OFF
Code:[ 5.540191] [<ffffffffa07461f6>] bbswitch_off+0xa6/0x240 [bbswitch] [ 5.540193] [<ffffffffa0c58248>] bbswitch_init+0x248/0x2a5 [bbswitch] [ 7.059859] bbswitch: Succesfully loaded. Discrete card 0000:01:00.0 is off [ 230.143932] bbswitch: enabling discrete graphics [ 281.154037] bbswitch: disabling discrete graphics
-
How is the battery life for you with just browsing/YouTube etc. (not gaming)? Usually while gaming I'd have it plugged in but I might take it around to a library or such to work on campus.
-
Has anybody so far tried to undervolt the CPU or GPU using linux-PHC? Is it possible to compile the 3.9.11-1-MANJARO-dsngjoe kernel mentioned by joeelmex such that linux-PHC can be used? How is the w230st performing temperature-wise under linux, is undervolting necessary at all? Please let me know your opinions.
-
-
Thanks -
Sweet, let us know if you run into any Linux issues. I'm primarily considering this vs. Clevo W740SU so far and am a Linux user. I've realised I don't actually game that much and want to go for a portable solution.
-
-
Hi guys,
I am also interested in finding out how compatible this machine is with Linux, especially around Ubuntu/Debian. I am divided between Clevo W230ST vs future Thinkpad x240. I've never had a clevo machine in the past, so not sure how well they are made in terms of build quality. I've a few questions on it hoping you might know the answers:
# I currently have Thinkpad T430 running Ubuntu 13.04. Everything on it works out of the box, except the optimal display configuration. This machine came with Intel HD4000, Nvidia 5400M dgpu, 1 mini displayport and 1 VGA port. It also supports enable/disable of Optimus in the BIOS. From the information on various sites, I now know that the mini display port is hooked up to nvidia exclusively, where as VGA and built-in laptop screen are hooked up to intel hd4000. I use the machine in integrated display mode and can only use one external monitor with it (its a shame!).
I wanted to know if W230ST also suffers from this problem or not? I do not mind installing bumblebee or any other power saving software etc, as long as the HDMI, VGA, along with the built-in screen are capable of working simultaneously. Do you think this is going to work in Linux?
# Another important one for me is battery life. I read a reference for battery life in this thread earlier, but did not see a concluding answer on it. Do you now know how the battery life is? I know there is a petition to the manufacturer to offer higher capacity battery. I hope they listen and do that.
# When you use the machine, does the keyboard flex? Does it feel uncomfortable at all? I use my machine for extended hours in a day and despite the newer chiclet style keyboard, the T430 is pretty comfortable to work with.
# How is the quality of the trackpad? I should not worry much here, but how does it work for you, does it jump from place to place while typing or does it stutter etc?
# Does the display lid flex if the laptop is moved? Are the hinges good enough?
Happy to see one very valuable review on this machine with Linux in mind!!
Thanks!
dot -
I cannot say too much about battery life yet, since I haven't tested it much. So far I got something around 3-4 hours. I have a i7-4702 processor a ssd and one hdd.
I am satisfied with the keyboard and the trackpad, which both work fine for me... but you should try that yourself beforehand, if possible.
Maybe you should read here to get some more information on the quality of the different parts:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-clevo-w230st-sager-np7330-owners-lounge.html
There are also user reviews out there that you can google.
Btw. so far the one USB2.0 port is not working for me and the sound won't switch to headphone jack on plugin, but these are minor issues that I am sure can be fixed but which I haven't tackled yet. -
Awesome! You made my day on the first answer itself.
For the USB2.0 and headphone jack issue, I am hoping they worked OK in Windows (provided machine had windows when it arrived), and its just a linux driver issue.
Thanks chief! -
In short, with (k)Ubuntu 13.10 :
- bumblebee works in a click, provided you install up to date drivers (in the repo, but still 304 by default, you'll need 319 for the 765GTX to work)
- USB3.0, USB2.0, jack sound works out of the box
- Intel 7260 works out of the box
- keyboard and panel backlight DO NOT work out of the box (as of now), but you just have to edit grub.conf as explained in the first post (I did have to fiddle a bit to find this, I did not know this forum at this point)
- L4D2 works very well, but as stated before it is better to use primusrun (edit the games properties on steam and set "primusrun %command%"). Intel HD4400 is not half bad, actually I keep this one for a couple of games when I want to keep the battery while gaming. Good to have the choice
Battery life is above 4h for me, for office work (no wifi, no bluetooth, intel gpu only) -
Just another note as regards the webcam, as it took me some time to figure it out :
- the webcam works out of the box !
- it doesn't appear to be working at first glance, not even present in lsusb...
How come ? It's just that the webcam is switched off by default, you need to activate it with the shortcut shift+F10 (actually printed on the keyboard...) to switch it onAfter this, it is recognised as an "Acer" webcam (strange, it seems to be a Chicony on the inside), and you have nothing to do but to skype/hangout/cheese/whatever
-
Ok, i'm about to throw in the towel. I need some help. I pretty much wanting to do the same thing as you are doing but with LinuxMint x64 Cinnamon. I currenly have 128 gb msata that has windows 8 and 750 gb for data. I just bought and installed an additional 128 gb sata. I would like to install Mint on the new msata 128 gb (isolate linux just on the new drive) and dual boot with windows 8.
I've disabled the secure boot from the bios and followed the directions and successfully installed mint on the new msata drive. I've pressed F7 to choose what drive to boot from, but choosing the new msata drive will not load what I've installed.
I've also installed EasyBSD to help me with dual booting issue. I thought I was successful when the boot manager popped up and choose LinuxMint, but I was quickly shoot down with:
File: \nst\autoneogrub0.mbr
Seeing this I went back to EasyBSD to reconfigure my setup and point the LinuxMint boot to the proper drive. (initially it was autodetect) Still same problem.
As of now I restored my boot manager so I only boot to windows 8 with an empty msata drive.
Please some one educate me. I'm downloading Manjaro as I type this and follow your directions to see if I'm successful. -
Hi guys!
I wanna more informations about the w230st (plus Linux):
Q1 - Is this notebook good for a student? To read a lot of pdfs, websurfing and, write on (Any)Offce
Q2 - Is good for a developer? Using Eclipse (Java, postgree, grails), simulators like Android, gmf, firefox with a dozen tabs, virtual machines, emulators... all oppened at same time
Q3 - With Linux, is W230st a noiser?
Q4 - And (with Linux) is it a heater too?
My (notebook using) profile will be: im a student e developer. And im not a gamer. I wanna to use Ubuntu in indoor places (laboratories, classroom, library), usually with firefox (15-20 tabs) + a music (or video) player + pdf viewer + and a editor opened to code (eclipse) or to write (openoffice).
Thanks for some info. -
I cannot compare the performance of the notebook to another operating system than linux, since I only have ubuntu installed.
But let me try to answer your questions:
Q1: the w230st will do all those tasks flawlessly - however, for those purposes, I lighter, thinner notebook with longer battery life might be the more appropriate choice
Q2: it is - it will be able to handle all that easily - however, you might need some experience in setting everything up properly under linux, which includes the operating system itself - everything does work, but for some things you need patience and find the right sources
Q3: when I don't use the NVIDIA graphics card, I don't hear the laptop, I have the setup using the i7-4702 with 37 W
Q4: I don't have problems with heat - however, also depending on your configuration... the space under my right palm becomes warm, due to the HDD underneath
Again, the question you should ask yourself is, whether you need that laptop for your purposes - if you plan to develop CUDA applications, its great to have that graphics card, otherwise, since you won't play, what do you need it for? Hope that helped - good luck!
-
Culchi,
Thanks for your advices.
Im a linux user since 2003. When i see this topic, i need to ask about w230st. Its a option to me, because: same price with other options (plus a big warranty) and with much more resources. But i dont have references about a gamer notebook, because i never have one nor see any too.
Your answer givo valuable informations about that machine.
Again, thanks! -
Greetings,
I saw how the OP dedicated each mSATA for each OS, which seems fine.
However, let's say I want to dual-boot Win8 and Ubuntu. However, I would like to use both mSATAs in RAID0 for better performance, and I would also like to have a larger partition of that RAID0 for Windows 8 because most games are for windows and they're getting incredibly large.
That said, I'd like to know if the following is possible:
1 - Configure 2*128GB mSATA in RAID0
2 - Split the virtual 256GB drive into two partitions of different sizes, let's say 35GB EXT4 + 220GB NTFS
3 - Install Win8 into the NTFS partition and Ubuntu into the EXT4 partition
So is this possible? Or is there any reason why I shouldn't try this?
Thanks!
EDIT: I would also like to know if there is any app/function for Linux that is equivalent to the "Silent" mode in Clevo Control Center. What it does is to always keep the fan at minimum and throttle down the CPU/GPU to decrease temperature (instead of firing up the fan). -
About RAID-0 with 2 OSes:
I see no reason why you can't. As long as the RAID-0 is done in firmware, whatever OS you have will only see the virtual drive. Actually this is why firmware RAID exists. Windows can not handle OS-level software RAID on its own boot partition.
RAID-0 SSDs for system partitions is, however, not very useful. -
Hello...
I read this thread and it answered many of the questions I had.
I prefer debian 7 instead of ubuntu can I be certain that the optimus with bumblebee works with debian7? What about dual boot?
Can any one tell me if there is a way to use the multi-touch to like a mac? Side ways with 3 finger change the virtual desktop scroll with two fingers and the up move with 3 fingers makes a explosé, etc etc... (with compiz or any other option)
Thank you for your time... -
Can someone please do me a favor and post the output of "lsusb" with no devices connected to the usb-ports? Thank you in advance!
-
The only thing the Synaptics touchpad driver can do is making sure human interface device API calls get through in a correct manner. How the GUI system interprets those calls is out of its control. -
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 8087:07dc Intel Corp.
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
sorry for the time it took...cuichi likes this. -
For those interested, I spent some time trying to optimize power consumption given existing options (mainly intel driver and laptop mode), and battery life is in between 4:30 and 5:00 with wifi on (bluetooth off, fairly low backlight). Intel PSR feature from the latest 3.12 kernel is worth activating for instance.
-
Which DE were you using? If it was something heavy like Gnome that's good news.
What do you get with WiFi off? How about a minimal system with no X? -
KDE, window effects still on. I'll try with wifi off, but I wasn't far from the router and did not have a very heavy network usage, so it should not improve this much (maybe a consistent 5h then).
-
For those who are stuck with Ubuntu, I suggest you start searching for a new distribution. As of 14.04 (at least 14.10), Ubuntu will switch from Xorg to Mir which is incompatible with bumblebee. Canonical doesn't seem to care about hybrid graphics and are focusing their efforts on small devices (everyone knew this the minute Unity took over). It's safe to say that 13.10 will be the last unless the devs for bumblebee want to mess with Mir (which it doesn't look like it).
Now, bumblebee may have gotten thrown out the window for future Ubuntu distributions but that doesn't mean hybrid graphics won't work. Nvidia is working on native support for hybrid graphics for their cards on Linux. The question is whether this will be released before Mir takes over.gimiki likes this. -
Actually hybrid graphics already work out of the box for all the Ubuntu 13.10-based distributions, it's just not automatic (which is not that bad as far as I'm concerned). You have to add primusrun to your shortcut command, once and for all, and you're done. I did this for Steam for instance, and the 765 is transparently used for all the Steam games, whereas it is switched off 99% of the time (I also use it for heavy RAW pictures workload). What's in the pipe is an automatic switch on/off, but I feel that it always depend on some sort of arbitrary list that may not correspond to your needs. The integrated IGP is actually quite capable, and that's not a big burden to specify for some really heavy games/softwares that you want to use the GPU.
This being said, the situation with Mir could indeed be a problem. Come and join Kubuntu, it won't use Mir -
Did you change any of the UEFI settings? Using standard or custom bios?
EDIT: Updated the bios and got it to boot/install/etc finally by adding nomodeset to the boot options. -
Never saw any kernel panic. The black screen might be caused by modesetting. (I got that as well.)
-
-
If anyone is having trouble with the back light, at least on my Arch install with kernel 3.12 I need both acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_osi="Linux" to get it working.
-
I am also running Arch linux, latest kernel. I only needed to add acpi_backlight=vendor in order for it to work for me.
I do have other issue though, when I close the lid the laptop will sleep ok, but it will not wake up when I open the lid again. If I press the power button it will try to wake up, fans spin, lights come on but the screen remains off. The only thing to do after that is hold down the power button until it turns off completely.
Running XFCE4 desktop, no swap partition, /tmp and /var/tmp are tmpfs mounts. Dont know what is going on with the graphics, I think the main display is using intel but the nouveau driver is also loaded...
Any idea how to fix my wake up problem?
Sager NP7330 Linux Guide/Review
Discussion in 'Linux Compatibility and Software' started by joeelmex, Jul 28, 2013.