The Origin...

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Share this with your skeptical friends who don't like Linux.

 

Hmm, what about us who like the idea of linux, yet don't like to fiddle and need apps with certain functionality and therefore would never choose Linux since there truly are better choices out there (for our needs)?

Oh, btw, that video is really, really beautiful.

 

That's fine with me. I'm the type of guy who likes free and open source software and it fulfills all of my needs. I'm not gonna ask you to bend over backwards just so I can be selfish dude, I'm not that type of man. You could try using Ubuntu and loading Windows in a virtual machine like Mac Bootcamp if you're really interested but need the functionality of windows apps.

 

I actually need the functionality of a stereo audio editor and a multitracker. So far, I haven't been able to find anything that even comes close. Also, I wouldn't know where to begin if I were to try to make it work with Dalet and what else is at my workplace.

Nah, I left/am leaving OSX because I grew tired of fiddling and having to constantly think of workarounds and spend time implementing them.
I do like Linux, though – even though it then seems ridiculous to go with Windows and support the biggest player around. I'm just not willing to sacrifice my productivity and in the end potentially risk my job.
[Edit: removed part of the post. Afraid I might jinx it, lol]

Ubuntu looks really good. I like the interface a lot. I guess when I'm rich I'll outsource the fiddling and enjoy the experience.

 

I don't know what fiddling you had to do in OSX but in Linux to get things perfectly how you want, yeah you have to fiddle but after that it's done. I did a lot more fiddling in Windows just trying to update freaking software. I read in your sig that your OSX machine is dying, if it's not hardware wise then just run Ubuntu on that and see how you like it. If it's not hardware wise but you still don't wanna try Ubuntu then just send it to me so I can make good use of it. Even if it's hardware is messed up it's be nice to have a project notebook to fix so I can do better work for my clients through experience. I think I rambled on right there but whatever , you get my point. If you like Linux, go for it. If you need Windows then stick with it, I wouldn't want you to lose your job because you followed my online advice to switch to Ubuntu.

 

Rambling is fine (watch this, lol):

I actually tried Ubuntu –what was it - about a year and a half back, reviewing my options, because it was clear that staying with OSX was a dead end – both with regards to software and hardware – mostly the latter, though.
I first tried it on a friend's computer, and it really had come a long way since I first stumbled upon it, so I figured "why not try it out". I dual booted (with OSX) but soon realised, that apart from surfing the web I used OS X for just about everything. I began looking for a good audio editor, because if I could get a hold of one, I would have a real reason to boot into Linux, and not just for play. Of course, audio for broadcast is quite the small niche (duh!), so the search was a dead end. In that process I realised I was really, really tired of both OSX (constant workarounds) and the constantly dwindling quality and crippling of the hardware.

It was then I decided I would wait till I felt my MBP was over the top, and then make the switch to something much more useful (Windows) while giving me a much better computer (Thinkpad).

My MBP has killed a battery, then I bought a new one, and within a fortnight, it killed that too. My gf's iBook - a month later - and the same thing happened to her. Of course she didn't buy another battery after my experience, but still. We believe it was an update that did ours in.

Sometimes I get kernal panics – luckily that happens seldomly when I'm editing audio, and until I get my Thinkpad, I will be using a huge Lifebook for my work-needs (It's the one I actually use mostly at work these days).

But as mentioned, I too tend to ramble, but I will propably delete everything from this computer, and then use it with windows as an audio server for the time being (what can it last? Two more months?). And when I'm entirely done with this pos it will be stomped on or be tossed out the window or some such aggressive killing. I don't think it's worth shipping it from Denmark to Miami, to be honest.

/rant, lol

Edit: Hmm, I just realised that it ought to pretty easy, one-time-only, to set up the compter with Ubuntu, since I wouldn't use it for anything but as an audio server for the stereo or perhaps I should just buy a sonos.

 

I guess we have common interests. The thing with trying Linux a long time ago is that it's advanced a lot since then.

I poked around with Linux around this time last year and hated it because it wasn't like Windows (different from you) but after a while of hearing about new updates I tried it out and loved it ever since. Of course it took some time to get used to it but now I like to fiddle with it from time to time even though my system is stable enough without me touching it.

The really cool growl like notifications system of coming in Ubuntu 9.04 which to you is nothing new but to someone who has been using Windows all his life until last year I think it's really nifty. I can't imagine spending all that money on a Macbook and then having to buy two extra batteries. It really sounds like it's not worth the money for me to get it shipped down here.

I would complain to Apple Tech and/or look for people with similar problems who fixed them or sell it here (listing it's faults of course) and get some cash. I don't have much experience with Mac's because I was working with a guy to turn my computer into a hackintosh but it didn't work out but I'm sure my good buddy Sam who loves Mac and related paraphernalia would be able to at least tell you what's wrong.

The reason I got started in computer tech was because I hate it when people have comp problems they can't solve that an experienced tech could solve but they way overcharge people. The world is just ridiculous nowadays. =\

EDIT: I just remembered that you can run Ubuntu in Windows (instead of the otehr way around) if you like it enough to run it inside Windows. Makes it pretty redundant though. Nothing is accomplished.

 

After I realised I could try out Ubuntu a whole ten minutes ago without having to double boot (i.e. the audio server thingy), I think I will do it. At least that way I can - once in a while - go check out audio apps on that side of the fence without having to worry about anything and only fiddle when I feel up to it. I really don't like fiddling anymore. I need a pause in that kind of activity, even though I know I will have to fiddle a bit when I get my Thinkpad. The sad part is, that for what I need, I will have less fiddling with windows than any other OS I'm aware of. That's quite tragicomic, I think.

You're right, I don't want to double boot in windows. I don't want to double boot at all. I hate that sort of thing with a vengeance. I think I deserve something that actually works by now and uses "standards" (well, not really, it just plays nice with work etc.).

I'm not going to complain to Apple. Apple "Ewrope" sucks arse. It really does. And I spent 20 months with them on the phone, faxing, sending letters, all the while various motherboards were exchanged (3 motherboards>new comp>4 MBs>new comp>2 motherboards and a new daughterboard for fw and for charging>this comp. All in all I had a working computer for around two months in that time span, the rest of the time it was either at various repair shops, in Holland, or I was trying to figure out was wrong with it. All of this while having to explain things in english (I'm danish) to someone sitting in Ireland who had absolutely no knowledge of danish consumer laws and most were downright idjits and rude to boot.
This one worked, though. Well, until recently. But no amount of ordinary "fiddling"/setup with/of windows will ever amount to these last years.

I can't even be bothered to check if I can fix the two different languages that has begun to pop up in finder again. It happened with all the exchanged motherboards too for no reason. And no matter how many times I reinstalled and no matter how I did it, it stayed there, leading me to believe it is an indicator of motherboard failure.

Sorry about the length of this, I'm still PO'd over the enormous waste of time and effort I have invested for no good.

 

No sorry needed, your being pissed off about it even leaves me pissed off. You're a lot more patient than me, I would have curb stomped that POS since it first gave me trouble. Read my New to Linux guide (link is in my sig) to get started. Should help you out a lot.

 

Calvin, I distinctly remember a screenie you posted, with a terminal running the following command:

bash$: sudo apt-get sandwich

lol....good one...

 

Oh, that's a nice thread - the new to linux. Thanks a bunch.
Now, which post to give rep?

LOL @ at the sandwich

 

I remember that one, got it from the image gallery.

 

Good video . As for the linux vs. windows ... it's still the same...
(talk about desktops - not servers)
linux
cons:
- lack of drivers (wifi, videocameras etc...)
- lack of specialized software
- need of higher computer skill to install and customize it (mainly the later one)
- not as many games possible to run on it
pros:
- free of licensing hell
- it's not only OS you get for free but whole bundle of apps that come together with it!!
- big community as great source of howtos - all for free too
- great tool for admins - eg. management of servers and LANs remotely (ssh pipes, X exports, rdesktop, vnc ...)
- no viruses
- total customization possible

windows
cons:
- paid license hell
- most of SW aimed for it is paid too (even though you can find some great free SW too)
- security risks due to wide variety of harmful SW
- lesser possibility for customization

pros:
- easier to install and customize (generally)
- widely spread, so its easier to find someone to help you with it personally IRL
- more specialized sw apps available (even though paid ones)
- better hw support (drivers)
- gaming

Anyway, linux already has it's place among users and it's gaining ground as is improving the driver support from HW companies (eg Intel) and also community of coders does incredible job with adding support for new HW to the kernel. Other important point is involvement of private companies like Novell, Red Hat, Canonical ... its (in a way) guarantee of future because people don't do business with things predicted to extinction ...
Anyway, Linux is gaining, even though not so fast. (thumbs up)

 

Good, I'm not the only one who tries talking to my computer through command lines. Now I feel a bit more normal...kinda...

As for the video, it is very well done.

 

sudo apt-get install life

Good to see you around, Calvin! Thanks for posting the video.

 

Nice List. I don't agree about the "Licence Hell", but i think, the Linux Crowd sees this as important and hell.

And yes, my main reason to not move to Linux is, I'd have no gain, but losses. An OS should not be a main-thing to use, but a servant for applications. And the apps determine, then, the OS that is useful for you. In my case, I use some different Audio-Apps like Ableton Live, and Traktor (3, Pro, Scratch). I as well use Visual Studio with C# to write Clickonce applications for some Clubs/Bars to help them manage certain stuff. Visual Studio is a great IDE (espencially in combination with C#), I don't want to miss that for programming.

The thing is, most of the positives of linux, I have on windows, too. Like Firefox, SVN (Tortoise SVN and visualsvnserver (apache with svn)). All for free, all working fine on windows. So I really wouldn't have any gain from linux.

I still support them, as I just like what they've accomplished, and how they, too, changed the windows world.

Some things I don't like:
The Ideology Fixation. For me, an OS is a tool. And all actual OS's work great at that. Seeing something bigger in it is stupid.

The UI Design. In the Linux Community, a lot of stuff gets programmed in the form "It works, Done". Most don't know much about UI design, nor care about it at all. That makes it very bad to use sometimes.

The OS Design. Linux got built from Unix, as a copy. The basic design of it is, thus, very old. I'd like to see new OS's rise, that get rid of 20year old habbits.
One simple example: The folder naming. Ask my mom what the folder "bin" is. If she knows english, she'd say, the paper bin?.

I like singularity because of this.

Anyways, I'm interested in seeing the evolution of all of the os'. I'll continue to use Vista during the next time, and I'm happy and thankful to both Microsoft and the Linux crowd that they made it save, stable, and high quality. It wouldn't have happen without all of you

 

I just updated to Ubuntu 9.04 and it's great. WAY better than Windows Vista and after I try Windows 7 it should be better than that too. For me, Ubuntu is the best and always will be.