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    Windows games on Linux...

    Discussion in 'Linux Compatibility and Software' started by ctown.myth, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. ctown.myth

    ctown.myth Notebook Consultant

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    I'm particularily interested in Battlefield 2, I can't stand booting back and forth between Windows and Arch, so I'm looking for a solution that lets me play online. BTW, this is for my desktop.

    I'm open to any suggestions (being resonable). I've heard of Cedega, but does it really work? Will full settings and low ping like on Windows?
     
  2. 1ceBlu3

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    you coudl go with Wine..go to winehq.com
    Cedega you have to pay for wine is free..and ppl here probably have more experience with wine.

    go to www.winehq.com.

    and here is the link for battlefield 2 on wine!
    http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3438

    I use wine..it works great with some games..some take more tweaking and some plain don't work!
    anyways there's the info you need! have fun!
     
  3. ctown.myth

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    Looked over at Wine, and it is pretty much the same thing that I tried 2 or so years ago: no online play. But is there somebody here that actually plays BF2 on Cedega? I want a real-life performance opinion, not some PR stuff that TransGaming posts on their web page. And I tried Googleing it, but all the info is from last year, at the newest.
     
  4. $immond$

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    Wine doesn't always run properly. Playing CS was so garbled I could not read the texts to join a server, not to mention it could barely emulate the graphics decently. Red Alert 3 was unplayable after it was patched.

    Id suggest dualbooting. Windows for Games and Linux for other tasks.
     
  5. ALLurGroceries

    ALLurGroceries  Vegan Vermin Super Moderator

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    I think for steam based stuff you need to install the Tahoma font via winetricks.
     
  6. Deathwinger

    Deathwinger Notebook Virtuoso

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    I'd suggest going back to Windows. Linux serves no purpose than to support freeware.
     
  7. ALLurGroceries

    ALLurGroceries  Vegan Vermin Super Moderator

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    ROFL! epic fail.

    I suggest you walk away slowly from teh linuxes forum. :p
     
  8. $immond$

    $immond$ Notebook Consultant

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    Also I may add:

    Stability: Auto updates (timely as well)
    Security : few viruses to none
    Choice: with so many distros,also a choice for the GUI (KDE, GNOME, XFCE ect)
    Eye Candy: Compiz
    Inexpensive: Most distros are free with the exception of red hat and a few other distros.
     
  9. StormEffect

    StormEffect Lazer. *pew pew*

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    I'm definitely a Windows fan, but Linux has far more power and purpose than simply freeware distribution. Practically every 'smart' embedded device is running some kind of linux (or unix). Some day when DirectX loses it's dominance (or in a decade or so when Microsoft open-sources it), Linux variants will become the OSes of choice.

    Gamers are to the PC industry what Pornographers were to VHS and then DVD. Where we go, we have impressive influence.
     
  10. ctown.myth

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    I already dual boot, but as I said before, it get's annoying to boot back and forth (my school stuff is on my Arch partition, which is ext3, and getting that on Windows is a hassle I would rather not go through).

    Unfortunately, BF2 is the only thing that's keeping me on Windows. The Source engine is already rumoured to be ported to Linux, UT3 runs fine on Wine, and most Blizzard games come with OpenGL rendering. I might just do a hackintosh dual boot with Linux if the next Battlefield comes with an OSX installer :p . (Mac for games, who knew!)
     
  11. puter1

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    Save up for a small capacity SSD, say 60 or 64 GB one. Use a 1 or 2TB drive for storage. Install or use ntfs-3g so that your Linux partition can 'see' your Windows stuff. Use the SSD for quick dual-booting (when you need Windows).
     
  12. ctown.myth

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    But that's still dual booting! lol! Looks like there's nothing that can do what I want it to do...

    Thanks for everything anyways all!
     
  13. puter1

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    Go ahead and try Wine then. It's free. See how you like it. Sounds like a lot of headache to me. The Wine web page has a comments page and forum. Sounds like a lot of configuration and headache trying to get stuff to work right. Also, in many cases, performance isn't quite up to par to Windoze. In some cases, they are around the same. But, Windoze has the games market. Linux has been making some headway with games but it's still one area Mikey$oft is able to excel in. The Games creators and software engineers in that dept. are still catering to Windoze/Mikey$oft so your choice is to mess with Wine or dual boot.
     
  14. BrandonSi

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    I had similar problems, and hated booting into Linux, only to need to use VS2008 or something, and then boot into Windows 20 minutes later. I finally gave up on dual booting, and just bought a fast laptop so I can run linux (and other OS's) via VM. I can tell you Linux runs damn well under a VM on my laptop, so if you've got a fast enough computer it's definitely an option.

    I suppose one could do the opposite, and run Windows in a VM under Linux, but for me I had more native Windows apps than I did Linux apps.
     
  15. puter1

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    True, using VirtualBox or something similar is definitely an option but when the OP is wanting to use games, I don't think it is something that would work too well in that case.
     
  16. ctown.myth

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    puter is right, VMs are still very behind in terms of 3D virtualization.
     
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    I believe that the latest VirtualBox and VMWare Fusion (or was it Parallels? Both are non-free both as in speech and as in beer) (for Mac) support a pretty lofty degree of 3d acceleration considering.

    I highly suggest WINE and/or Cedega. There are some games that Cedega (free as in speech, not as in beer) does better than WINE, but in general WINE works great. In addition, I've found that using a cracked executable really helps getting lots of windows games running. These will work fine online with your legit CD key, in most cases, and remove copy protection and other DRM crap that WINE/Cedega has a hell of a time working around.
     
  18. Ethrem

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    Cedega is pretty much WINE with tweaks... Its not worth the money. You can get every game Cedega can run to work with WINE using tools like PlayOnLinux or browsing forums with just a bit of tweaking.

    Anyway, I am not a fan of gaming on Linux... Unless its a native Linux port like UT has.
     
  19. Saisei

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    The games wont be too smooth when you use those programs on linux.
    After using android im starting to like linux or unix, distro and so on.
     
  20. Ethrem

    Ethrem Notebook Prophet

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    Generally, no. But I get a better framerate with my Steam games in Linux than I do in Windows... mind you, that is without SLi being enabled (enabling it either gives me a black screen with the 185 drivers or a screen that looks like the colors are all inverted on 190.53) but still, its a good 10-20% increase over Windows performance.

    The problem is getting them to work in the first place. ;)
     
  21. Saisei

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    Were you using vista? That would be the problem, win7 is much better with games.My ping is also lower in MP games like BF2/BF2142.
     
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    If you are desperate, you can use windows as host and use VM to emulate arch linux and hackintosh at the same time without dual booting.
     
  23. BrandonSi

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    That's exactly what I do, except I use Mint instead of Arch. Like I mentioned, with a fast enough PC it runs very well. I use Windows natively, which solves the gaming problem, and I don't have any serious GPU related apps under either VM OS.
     
  24. carajean

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    If I could get all my games to work under linux with either wine or cedega I would switch. But most my games are through steam now a days. Hey original OP if you wanna work together I got like a week off coming up around the first, if you wanna work together im sure we can hash out this linux gaming thing. I have before when it was so rarely heard of.


    I have been looking for a decent distro of linux. When I do go into my I hate windows moods I usually just go with ubuntu.
     
  25. puter1

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    Ubuntu is okay but if you want more relief when working out bugs or issues with your distro, you are better off choosing Debian or Fedora.
     
  26. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Talking about Steam and Ubuntu, - I run Ubuntu 9.10 and today (a happy day) installed Steam through PLayONLInux and then KingsBounty Armored Princess (through Steam) and it runs maxed out 1900rez+16xAA with no problem and so far no bugs encountered! For me that's a turning point as starting from now Linux does everything I need from a high-end laptop OS.
    Just don't forget to switch off your Compiz/Beryl/Avant before playing games ;)
     
  27. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Yeah, If I had a stronger CPU and more RAM, that would really make sense, so hopefully Clevo brings some i7-980X+5870CF crazy machine, to make all my virtualization dreams come true.
    For now it's a dual-boot - haven't booted my W7 partition for quite some time though... A good sign :cool:
     
  28. MGS2392

    MGS2392 NAND Cat!

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    VirtaulBox is FOSS, though there is a proprietary closed source version with more features. Cedega, on the other hand, is some open and closed source hybrid monster.
     
  29. $immond$

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    Definitely not Fedora. 3 words... Poor driver support.
     
  30. ctown.myth

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    Oh snap, this thread is still going?!?!
    Damn...

    Anyways, to all those that recommended running Linux on VM, isn't that counter-productive? I use Arch so I don't have to go though all the headaches that is Windows.

    Also, yeah, Fedora is definitely not worth the hassle, both it and SuSE have fallen far below what they used to offer. I'd highly recommend Debian, even though it may be old, but it's ridiculously stable.

    I tried to run BF2 on Wine using POL this time, same thing, PB kicks me. Anybody know if the Linux version of PB works for BF2?
     
  31. 1ceBlu3

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    mm...after reading through some articles a few days ago..i think the linux version of pb does work...but some have reported not having a good experience..
    nonetheless i do suggest trying it..no harm in that.
     
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    i haven't read all the posts, but i think it could help someone:
    there is a software Cedega that helps to play windows games in linux.
    I've never used, it's paid, but there is an free lternative: play on linux:
    http://www.playonlinux.com/en/
     
  33. 1ceBlu3

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    playonlinux was just mentioned on page 3..(thanks for trying to help though)
    i've used it quite a bit for certain games/software..works well IMO
    there is also wine-doors..but it mostly supports older software and such..
    but it works! lol
     
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    I beg your pardon sir? I dare to say you're pretty wrong here and i'm damn sure i can run Fedora on any HW that your favorite handles and even better! :p
     
  35. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    A duel! Hooah! Do you guys need a referee ? ;)
    Throw a leather glove and let's decide on weapons.... How about trying both distros on....hmmm...my lappy? :cool:
    Whoever makes my SLI config work flawlessly - get's 100 reps from the loser and from me as well ;)
    What say thee? :cool: :rolleyes:
     
  36. carajean

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    Ok you guys are gonna make me do it. Im gonna download either mint linux or ubuntu. Im thinking MINT as of right now. I will see you guys in a couple hours on how I fair. I may take longer since I have not installed or played with linux in a year or so.
     
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    I am able to run the following games on Linux under wine:

    Morrowind, Oblivion, Star Wars Knights 1 and 2.

    In addition NWN1 is a native Linux install. Good enough for me. WIne does a decent job on legacy games.
     
  38. 1ceBlu3

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    Morrowind, oblivion ran very well for me..as did Halo:combat evolved!
    I have neverwinter nights 2:gold edition but never tried installing it on ubuntu..
     
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    Im installing steam right now. Gonna download like torchlight and some other small ones to see.
     
  40. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Did you Install PlayOnlinux? I highly recommend as it has a lot of tweaks for WineHQ.
     
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    No I didnt I just went and installed wine. I am having with the cursor so far in steam. Have not been able to play a game yet. Is there a simple apt-get for this playonlinux?
     
  42. mr_raider

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    Why don't you try it and tell me how it goes? :D
     
  43. 1ceBlu3

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    why? lol..is that a challenge...hehe
    though why not..i'm always up for something new..

    according to wine noone has tested it on 9.10 yet..
    it will give me something to do..
    LOLz

    just to to playonlinux.com, and go to download and find the one for your distro..or just install it with the .deb package.
    easy as that.
     
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    Cedega is obsolete (i think) now that wine supports dx9 and such
    Your best bet at emulation is wine, they have a database on their website with ratings on how stuff has been reported to run under wine and which version:

    http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3438
    (battlefield 2)

    Alternatively you could run a windows virtual machine, since wine can really be hit and miss with a lot of things (especially games)
     
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    Vms don't work for gaming. They don't get HW acceleration of GPUs.
     
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    Pretty cool....a linux geek and gamer to boot....don't see many females like that around ..... :D :D
     
  47. 1ceBlu3

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    thanks zoid..LOL
    been out sick with a cold..i'll be working on NWN2 when my head isn't so stuffy..hehe
    just stoppin in to see what's up..going to go back to bed now..LOL.
    laters all!
     
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    Wine is not an emulator. :D
     
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    We should make a list of games that are fully compatible with linux (playable and multi-player support) :O The games should also be of high quality like the unreal, quake, and savage series... what do you guys think?
     
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    Hey, I should be getting my copy of Halo: Combat Evolved tomorrow. Did you have to jump through any hoops to make it work on Ubuntu? I tried running the Halo Trial via WINE but it didn't quite work (didn't crash but the graphics were bonked). I guess maybe I should try the full version first. Also, if it's of interest to anyone, there is a guide to running it on Linux at Halopedia.
     
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