*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I ordered two "barebones" Tornado F5's from @woodzstack. I initially wanted to get just the chassis and GPU, and use my own processor, ram, wifi and hard drive. I then found out the graphics card is discounted (by Eurocom?) if you purchase it with the processor. So my configuration ended up being Chassis / CPU / GPU / WIFI / OS.

If you do order a barebones configuration, at least get the WIFI chip you want, because you have to remove the CPU / GPU heatsink and repaste in order to replace it.

I think all machines have a Eurocom logo under the display. It doesn't look like a sticker or anything so they may have been manufactured this way by MSI on behalf of Eurocom.

 

If it's comparable to the AUO QHD panel in the AW17 R4, then I certainly won't have any issues. I felt like the banding was barely noticeable unless you viewed solid colors.

Can't wait to order a 6700/1070/120Hz F5 setup.

On a side note, would any of you say that the latest 775 chassis is super thick in comparison to the F5?

 

I am getting mine without drive and logoless.


The laptop is already pretty cheap tbh.

 

After a very long wait and much research I finally ordered my Tornado F5 last night from Eurocom, seems like the best deal out there. I am using it pretty much exclusively for video editing and virtually no gaming, so I got the gtx 1070 and the i7 6700k. From what I've found the 7700k is a few percent better performance than the 6700k, can anyone tell me if it would benefit me to spend the 115$ and upgrade to the 7700k instead?

I know its newer and should have lower temps, which is important for stability and long term use, and I will be using this as my full time workhorse. But is it really that big of a difference over the 6700k, part of me is a bit concered about overcloking and losing stability, but I don't have a ton of experience overclocking, and maybe it's completely stable. One thing I couldnt find an answer on was if the 7700k is on a new motherboard which would help me for future proofing...Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

 

The 7700k could be on a new motherboard if you ordered it with a 1080 not a 1070. The new mobo is only for the 1080 because it has a different mxm connection, higher power usage, and more cooling needs. I'm not sure if future video cards will need this new 1080 mxm connection for laptop editions, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The 6700k is just fine and it's very powerful/stable when overclocking. You can upgrade to a 7700k if you want with the "old" mobo but it may not be worth the extra $115 to some for the few extra performance points. It may be more stable when overclock and have better heat management but I don't think it's worth that much extra dollars compared to a 6700.


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Thank you, that's kind of what I was thinking, that the 7700k is not really much of an improvement for the extra $. not that $115 is make or break, Id gladly pay it if it was worth it.. But wasn't sure if the 7700k came with a new mobo or not, so that answers my question. If intel ever gets their act together, it would be nice to be able to upgrade cpus in a few years if there is a big jump in performance, but for the time being, this machine should be an incredible performer. Thanks again, I think I'm content with my build. Now I just need to find some affordable ram, got the stock 8gb and 32 would be ideal.

 

If you want the new MB and 7700K maybe you can't use Win 7. The Redmond Morons said only support for Kaby lake with windoze X.

 

Just did 16038 on Firestrike - #1 for a single 1070(notebook) with a 6700K! Also got #1 on timespy . Got the overclocking bug

 

I was interested in the new mobo if that would future proof me more than the current one, not that ill be upgrading anytime soon, just if i am buying right Id like to avoid buyers remorse. But realistically I don't know that 7700k is worth spending the money over 6700k, I plan to overclock however, so Im sure the new cpu will perform cooler..

As for Windows, I had planned to install Windows 7 on it, buying it without any OS. Windows 10 and the benefits are unknown to me, I am weary of Microsoft though and what theyre trying to do with Windows 10. I don't know that it makes any difference for me as Adobe CC works on both, but once software is limited by the older OS then I have no choice than to upgrade. But for now it doesn't matter to me either way.

 

That's silk screened on most, yeah. But you can get it without, but most the time they just remove the logo on the back.

 

win 7 won't exactly work well with the Pascal cards. Less performance for what, not switching windows when it's gonna be forced on your for everything else too ?

 

that's like having a 980Ti in a laptop... thats very good score.

 

I think I specifically mentioned your concerns. If your getting a 1070N right now, your getting the older board. It will have the newer bios though if you get the 7700K for sure 100%.
I'd look into your order for you, but you can just give @Eurocom Support 's sales team a email and ask them.

 

whatever it takes to keep the dream going strong.

 

Thanks woodzstack, maybe Ill give them a shout. The only way to get the 1080N is to order with the gtx 1080 for now though right? Because I certainly will be sticking with the 1070. What advantages does the newer bios have with the 7700k? Long term performance and stability is priority as I am using this as my main computer for work (video editing.. I know a desktop makes more sense, but I need to have something with the same performance but that is mobile)

My concern is that I am buying right before the upgrade to new hardware happens, and considering I am not totally in need of it right away, I could wait a bit longer (whats another week or two) if its worth it for me, which I guess only I can determine. I just don't know the fine details at this point, or if the 330w adapter is worth it, that kind of thing. I did order with the intel wireless card though as I gathered it is worth the $40 to have no head aches with realtek or killer... IT feels good to finally pull the trigger on something that is right for me, not something built for specifically for gaming, but options are always nice...

I don't want to overclock too much but I want to find the sweet spot between performance and heat...

 

So what @Eurocom Support said isn't valid... You could upgrade with <150w 1080 with no power connector> on first revision of this machine (in Op). Aka you need the full internal change for 1080.

 

Papusan, are these actually different versions of the 1080? Do you know what the performance delta is like?

 

Up to every ODM/OEM's to put up whatsoever TGP limits on Pascal graphics.

 

OS without hard drive? how that work? Or did u just get the OS with dvd and key and no install?

 

You could do that with a retail copy of Windows, as that is basically an installer and activation key like that.

 

Had I known you were a reseller, I might have given you a shot. What swayed me to give Eurocom my business was the 10% discount, otherwise, I would likely have waited to see if another company would be offering the same built I'm getting. Perhaps on another machine. I am going to pickup the P870DM3 but that's likely going to be from HIDevolution.

I started my business with a single client and a friend. We were reselling hosting packages. We were in the red for the first two and a half years, slowly adding valuable services/products. Finally, I got fed up and wanted more control of the hardware/software we were selling. I got a hefty loan and put my feet to the streets. Things got better. We were (and still are) a lot like you. We couldn't really compete on pricing with the big guys, but we beat them on quality service. I would call all of my clients personally, almost on a daily basis to chat (first name service).

My experience in customer service is why I'm so hard on companies I do business with, personally. So far, most of the resellers I've done/attempted business with have failed. I don't mind spending a little more if they treat me like they want to earn (and continue to earn) my business. @Donald@HIDevolution gets this. That's why I remain dedicated to getting my big monster from him. We talked on the phone for over an hour in Oct and half of it wasn't even about the P870DM3. I hope you turn your hobby into a successful enterprise. Remember to keep your core values intact and you'll do fine bro.

 

Is the power adapter a North America design? I'm not a fan of the 4 little prongs that have to match up, I need to be precise at times and just cautious I don't break one. I miss my old laptop socket which is plug in anyway you like.

 

The AC adapter is a standard 3-prong connector if it's designated to be sold in Americas.

 

The joy with socket hardware... http://valid.x86.fr/fs084d Who is crazy enough to want BGA JUNK in Jokebook's? Remember... BGABook,TurdBook,JokeBook... A dear UGLY child has many names!! The same should I say for the whole Mobile i7 Trash line from Intel as well!!

 

Pssst... dude... this is the non-turdbook thread, you can relax - kick off your shoes, put in your earplugs, fire up that air-conditioner laptop stand, and unwind

 

Everyone should promote socket hardware . Show the difference between soldered i7 garbage vs. LGA
You're welcome my good friend. And who will promote this...? http://hwbot.org/submission/3307572_matsglobetrotter_cpu_frequency_core_i7_6700hq_3493.18_mhz

Spoiler: BGA JUNK!!

3493.18MHz on 1 damn single core TRASH

 

Yeah, that is a tad weak =\

 

Sorry but i felt challenged 16149
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16977041

 

The true power of unlocked tdp gtx1070(Notebook)

 

As far as I know, that is the same on the back of the computer to any region. Usually the power brick is the same in most cases as well, just the cable that connects the wall outlet to the power brick is what changes usually. After a little bit of use though, you get used to which way that cable plugs in to the back of the system though.

 

Was this a hardware mod to unlock the TDP? Also... as someone who never used 3DMark11 before, what am I looking at here ?

 

Haha I didn't think it would last very long!

 

Just received some words from Eurocom.

120hz panel (late Jan)
G.skills memory (mid Jan)

 

I may have Eurocom hold onto my TF5 R2 until the panel is available. There is no point in having all of that power displayed through a 60hz, 25ms+ panel. The question is how much more will it cost me? Hopefully less than the 4K upgrade.

 

I personally feel like it's not worth it.
A 1070 notebook Is like à Gtx 980, you probably won't pull 120 fps in most triple a game and if you do now, you won't in a year or two from now.
For a laptop I feel like 60hz is good, 90hz would be perfect tho

 

I am getting a 7700K/1080 Tornado F5 R2. I should average above 120fps, even though the 1080p resolution could end up a bottleneck.

 

I'd prob get 120hz screen with that setup as well but I feel like temps will be a problem for that build and 1080p is perfect for a 15" laptop, 2k for 17".
A gtx 780 can't pull 120 fps in modern game so there is no reason to think the 1080 will pull 120 fps in game 2-3 years from now. But you can always upgrade the mxm gpu if upgrade are made available

 

@deathwingbg What Afterburner settings did you use?

 

A 1070 MXM is more of an equivalent to a 980ti. Even benchmarks show the system being neck and neck with a 1070 founders edition.

Heck, an overclock on the MXM module with grant you power equivalent to a factory OC'd desktop 1070.

Anyone purchasing the 120 Hz panel with this laptop is most likely going the route of FPS games, where you don't need a tremendous amount of power to push them. If they're attempting to play AAA titles, then they could simple adjust the settings to meet the refresh rate. At 1080p on a 15.6" panel, there's not much need for FXAA/MSAA/Nvidia Hairworks/ETC...

 

Core/Mem +250/300

 

I haven't been able to run mine more than 240/ 260 - I think I may be running into psu limits as I've only got the 230 watt psu. The benchmark will just stop running in the middle of a run. I've been getting RSR limiting on the cpu as well although all the temps are well within limits. I'm going to try easing back on the cpu and see if that lets me push the gpu harder - if it does I guess that will confirm my theory.

Has anybody else seen RSR limiting? Does anyone know if Svet's bios lets you disable RSR?

 

Unsure what exactly, they are being tight lipped, to benifit themselves or they simply do not know.

yeah i recommend 8265 if you have one, stick it in there. Great card. even the 8260 99% the same thing.

Yeah, they are either unsure or made mistakes in either thier information to me, or to this forum, but the guys I speak to are directly touching the hardware and I know them on a name basis here, the Support guy who talks here - no idea who he is actually. I know the entire team at Eurocom, but no idea who speaks on this forums. But I trust what Kevin, and either Mark has told me directly more then what was said here in this forum. That's the owner and the two main guys working support for Eurocom.

There is no DVD ROM on the system, and there can not be either, they give you a DVD for the drivers, with some extra software, but 95% of it is also on the downloads section of the site too. Just get it from there. As for OS, if anyone purchases from me, i offer to put the OEM sticker on the chassis or send you the key on paper or email.

You understand entirely then my position, pretty sums up most of my experience and where I am at. I will some times lose 5$ to make a customer happy, banking on word of mouth and return investment of the customer returning to me. Customer retention seesm incredibly high. Almost everyone who's done business with me once seems to do it again and again.

You can have whatever design you want, UK/USA/China whichever, just let us know or check your order carefully before checking out.

BTW, I will try and keep anything I know up to date on this thread, so i will respond to questions and address any concerns in time, just mention me using the AT symbol and "woodzstack" for me to notice ASAP.
From my understanding, we should have some pictures of the 1080 and the motherboards tomorrow, but no promises, I am not the one who makes the final judgement call on whats revealed before it's available.

 

If I am not mistaken, the wifi card is placed deep inside the laptop and requires disassembling most of it and a repaste right? I am not a really a big fan of disassembling hardware so I might just go with 8260.

As for the OS from you, will it be similar to what Eurocom prices it around 200 CAD for Win10 pro? or one of those ebay key only thats around 25 CAD?

 

Unless the OS is bundled for free, you can get a Win10 Pro key from play-asia for ~$24.00 USD (~33.00 CAD).

 

How's the wifi antenna on this model? I stay at a lot of different hotels with sometimes spotty coverage so I need something that performs great with weak signals.

 

You can actually remove the wifi card carefully without removing any heatsinks.. It's kind of pain but it's doable.

 

Hi woodzstack

I mean the 4 prongs on the laptop not the socket head, I'll get used to it...

I didn't know you sold laptops too, you would've been someone I would've considered not that Eurocom haven't been exemplary.

 

Hi guys. I was considering buying one of these after some suggestions, so I was just looking for some advice. Should the included 230 watt power be fine? Is the base wireless card trash or is it fine? I'm usually plugged into ethernet, but still need wifi time to time. Also, the temps are fine under normal use? Was considering that cooling upgrade for the CPU. Thanks in advance

 

Ah well cool, in the future, keep me in mind, who knows right ?

 

I recommend the 230W for the 1070 or under. You really shouldn't need more. The base 8260 INTEL is the best choice IMO. It's such a good contender do not be surprised if it is on occasion low in stock or waiting on restock. That's how good it is,and for good reason.

I know you crazy verclcokers are thinking "what Woodzstack your insane, for sure you want/need triple 330W PSU etc.." really the performance is not worth it. For the extra few hundred dollars I would recommend getting the 1080 and getting a 330W PSU by default. wHICH WILL HAVE HIGHER YEILDS THEN TRIPLE PSU AND 1070.. (in theory..)