Edit: "Fix" or workaround, Opening the Nvidia Control Panel -> Manage 3D settings :
In the Global Settings tab, I had the Preferred Graphics processor set to : Auto.
Changed this to High-Perfromance NVIDIA processor, and the stutter is gone.
Ok, long time guys. Finally got my replacement today. For those of you who are new to the thread, my previous gs43vr's graphics driver was crashing so I ordered a replacement.
I didn't have the time to test out if it crashes under the same conditions, but I am noticing the stutter.
Clicking on the battery icon causes ~0.5 second stutter, and yes opening nvidia experience in the background stops that from happening.
I uninstalled Elan drivers, nahimic, intel rapid storage, updated my geforce driver and the stutter is still there.
May I ask if the people having the issue have an hdd? @SirGadden mentioned that installing Elan fixed it for him, but he also mentioned that he removed the hdd.
I know @Prototime also swapped his for an SSD, so I'm wondering if that could be the reason.
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I'm pretty sure the micro stutter issue is related to a combination of Windows 10 and Optimus. I'm running Windows 7 on my GS43VR and have not seen a single stutter. I did experience it when I was initially testing things on the stock Windows 10 that came with the laptop.
I have also heard of people using a windows 7/8/8.1 version of the Nvidia graphics driver as a temporary fix to the micro stutters.hmscott likes this. -
Changing the preferred graphics processor to Nvidia fixed it for me.
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Glad to hear that solves it, everyone can reinstall all those apps and drivers, and get rid of the stuttersLast edited: Sep 23, 2016 -
Also, I got a fast PCIe SSD with my GS43 so it's not the SSD that's causing it like someone suggested.
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I've tried that setting for the global Nvidia graphics card as well, and it did not fix my micro stutter.
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I was having the microstutters too, and now I seem to be rid of them. I uninstalled basically ALL of the bloatware, including the audio drivers and the network drivers and are using Window's default settings (which are working fine btw). I have also put the card in 'high performance' mode and set it as the preferred card per the last few posts. Then I installed the new Nvidia driver 372.90, and that seems to fix the issue (for me anyway).
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Hey guys,
So switching to High-Performance NVIDIA processor (and then let the 3D application decide) did the trick for me. No more micro-stutters while using Windows. But now it seems the CPU usage is up, since I am using the NVIDIA only. I have no Norton, still have Nhimic, Intel Rapid Storage Technology and killer network manager, my NVIDIA driver is 368.79. I don’t have the stock SSD but a 512gb m.2 X400 SanDisk SSD.
Also something has been bothering me lately, I was downloading a game to the SSD and then typing, and the keyboard would have stick keys (like yyyyyyy). This is crazy, even my old 8 year laptop does not do this. It’s quite upsetting for a 1500 dollars’ laptop where you can’t even type properly! Thinking of returning this. The numerous bugs for this type of premium product is not amusing, at the beginning cracking sounds from the speakers, micro stutters, stick keys, very noisy HDD (more than usual), and even winzip installed. This seemed such a promising machine on paper.hmscott likes this. -
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Thanks for your quick reply and suggestion. I have the latest EC driver but not bios. However I am not that keen on upgrading the BIOS since there is a risk of bricking the laptop. My partial solution is to not type when downloading a game, far from ideal, but this is what I came with. -
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http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-intel-nvidia-hybrid-graphics-drivers.795553/
Guys, check this out.
It seems like the Micro-Stuttering isn't an MSI exclusive issue. Few lads here reported micro stuttering and lag in non MSI optimus laptops. Apparently the fixes were the following:
-Disabling double GPU usage (a.k.a MSHybrid, available in some laptops) and keeping the dGPU only.
-Setting certain applications to preferably work with the dGPU.
-Installing Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit.
Hopefully this issue has something to do with how Windows 10 reacts to Intel/Nvidia drivers, since the issue is non existent in Win7 as some claimed.hmscott, slipoftongue and SirGadden like this. -
Just for reference, this is what I've done so far:
- Removed the HDD (it's really noisy!).
- Clean install of Windows 10 (wiped all partitions).
- Only drivers I reinstalled from MSI were Realtek, Nahimic and Elan touchpad.
- Installed iGPU/dGPU drivers from Intel/Nvidia website
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Anyone know anything about keyboard ghosting with the steelseries keyboards? My gs43 has terrible ghosting (just as the Asus gl502 does).
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Just to report further on the micro stutter issue, as I initially brought it up - it does seem like selecting the NVidia GPU as the primary, and setting it to maximum performance (that's important) seems to at least do the trick for now. Have been able to eliminate the issue, let's see what happens.
Now, I am also getting this weird keyboard lag mentioned above. As I type this, it's almost like the text takes a second to come out.
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And IE11 for me casually, running 500+ MB processes and hogging 13% CPU (always!) making kb lag. Killing those processes does help, they restart with less memory robbed.
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Sorry I was MIA for a while; this past week was absolutely nuts for me. I'll try to respond to everyone's comments - let me know if I missed anything!
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In other news, I got the new Windows 10 anniversary update today, and it horribly messed up the speaker sound - as soon as I put on a YouTube video after updating, the sound was distorted and the speakers crackled. I was able to fix this by updating the Realtek Audio driver and uninstalling Nahimic. That completely fixed the problem. I then downloaded and installed the newest version of Nahimic + audio driver from the MSI support page for the GS43VR, and fortunately, doing so did not reintroduce the problem, so I now am back to using Nahimic. I hope this helps anyone who might have this problem.
I also just bought a new 4k television to replace my 9-year-old 720p, and should be getting in on Monday. The TV I bought is the Samsung KU6300, which appealed to me because (according to rtings.com) it has great upscaling of lower-resolution content, a great contrast ratio, low motion blur, low input lag (19 ms in gaming mode), and chroma 4:4:4 for crisp text in PC mode (which has 36 ms input lag - not too bad for most purposes, for me at least). I don't have any illusions about playing at a 4k resolution, but I do plan on hooking up my GS43VR on it and playing at 1080p (I use a Wii U Pro Controller via a Mayflash Wii U Controller Adapter). The GS43VR unfortunately doesn't support HDMI 2.0, but I bought an active Mini DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 adapter ($30 on Amazon) to plug the GS43VR into the television and achieve the full benefits of HDMI 2.0. In case anyone's interested, I'll report back with how the gaming experience is on the GS43VR when plugged in to this TV.Last edited: Sep 25, 2016SirGadden, aban714 and Robbo99999 like this. -
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The sticking key thing sucks, try updating SteelSeries to current release for your laptop model (support download), or Update from within SteelSeries software.
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Hey guys, does anyone know if there are any videos or any reviews that compare the gs43vr next to the gs63vr? I am torn on what to do.
Recently purchased myself an x1 yoga and waiting for it to arrive with an oled screen thinking this would be one of the most powerful thin portable laptops I could get and then I found out about these units after. It seems like for a cheaper price I can get a 14 or 15 inch laptop that is almost as thin and light but has a gtx 1060 in it and would still for my portable needs and not too heavy to carry around all the time. Now I am torn if I should return or sell the lenovo when I get it and look into one of these msi laptops. Both are so tempting as well I don't know which one I would go with.
As for the optimus issues, I had optimus back in my alienware m11x and it was a ***** back then, however it was possible to just uninstall the igpu drivers and disable the igpu and the pc would only run on nvidia. It made the battery life a bit worse but it completely disabled the igpu and any optimus issues with it, is this not possible on the newer laptops? Is setting the default device to nvidia really the best workaround? The microstutters sound like so.ething fixable with an update so it doesn't scare me too much from buying one and it would be a laptop for me not my main computer.
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Ok, I got the display driver crash error a couple of times again ! :|
It happens randomly when I switch between a game and some other window, but now it's saying "Intel HD Graphics driver stopped responding..."
I'm pretty sure that this means that it's highly unlikely that it's a hardware issue (same thing was happening with the previous gs43 that I returned in exchange for this one for people who forgot, it just wasn't saying Intel HD graphics, it was just display driver stopped responding), and it's probably yet another Optimus issue.
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To completely annihilate these issues, you either need a laptop with an MUX switch to make the GPUs run independently, depending on your needs (this feature is usually available in more premium machines), a laptop with the option to disable MSHybrid (Or Optimus, some Clevo laptops have this feature in the bios), or either a laptop with a G-Sync panel and GPU (iGPU is then completely disabled, dGPU works all the time, even on idle, resulting in worse battery life. But screw battery life, right?).
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I did not realiz you could not entirely disable it anymore.
That being said, I think the micro stutters would be something I could deal with and hope a fix comes out if I cannot solve it myself with the various fixes posted by members in this thread.
That being said I am attempting to cancel my X1 yoga order. As much as I love the smallness of it and the OLED I did not look into my other options out there as far as small form factor laptops go and I think this MSI would suit my needs as far as what I am looking for in an "all in one" laptop that's super portable. I can't justify that oled screen and not being able to game at all vs an extra .2 inches thickness and a 1060 GTX in the machine.
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Ordering from boutique resellers is the key. If you're in the U.S., check out boutique resellers like Prostar, GenTechPC, XoticPC, and HIDevolution. They specialize in selling computers and offer their own tech support, which gives you another line of defense for you if your computer breaks down. General resellers like Amazon and Newegg don't offer their own tech support, leaving you solely at the mercy of the manufacturer if something goes wrong.
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Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about the Aorus x3 Plus V6? I can't seem to find much information out there and just curious about the best 14 inch gaming laptop.
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It still hasn't shipped. Newegg shows current availability date as 1st of Nov. It has been pushed from late Aug to Sep, to late Sep, to Oct, and now here we are 1st of Nov... It was the one I was waiting for to see whether to get the GS43, and also the X5 v6 (but only if with 1080p 120hz), and neither have come to market. Had I know that in Aug, I woulda jumped on the MSI product. At this point, may as well check out the AW13 in November lol.
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Anyone with a GS43VR 6RE able to confirm if it has a Trusted Platform Module (TPM)? Its not listed in the specs but I'm going round the houses here:
Razer Blade has a TPM but Razer seems incapable of making its stuff available for sale in the US, let alone worldwide.....still 3 gens back at more money on their UK store.
Aorus x3 v6 - Was quite keen but had it confirmed no TPM sadly
GS43VR still looks nice and pleased that its screen seems to be way better than the GS63 from what I can tell. Edit : This indicates a yes https://uk.hardware.info/product/361342/msi-gs43vr-6re-009nl/specifications but I'd rather have confirmation from someone with one.
Need it for the occasions I'll use work build and VPN, not carrying two 14" laptops on business trips!
Other than that I think I'm out of 14" options :-(. Whilst (my company) HPE separated from HP (and they only have a 17" 1060 product) I'm not taking anything related to Dell into the office for obvious reasons.
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I believe I have sorted out how to get Sport mode to auto-overclock the dGPU without having the computer connected to an external display and without messing around in Nvidia Inspector. If you go to the Nvidia Control Panel and set the "Preferred graphics processor" to "High-performance Nvidia Processor" and then restart the computer, then Sport mode will overclock the dGPU upon boot. That's what I'm going to be doing now before I load up a game; otherwise, I'm setting the "Preferred graphics processor" to "Integrated Graphics" to preserve battery life and avoid unnecessarily turning on and heating up the dGPU (as much as Optimus allows, at least) for things like web browsing and word processing.
So in summary, if you want your GS43VR to auto-overclock the dGPU and don't want to manually overclock it using something like MSI Afterburner, here's what to do:
Sport Mode Auto-overclocking Option 1 - External Display
- In the MSI Dragon Center, click the "System Tuner" tab, and then under the "Shift" column, select "Sport" (make sure your computer is plugged in; Sport mode is unavailable when running off battery)
- Plug in an external display.
- In the computer's display settings, set the external display as the sole display.
- Restart the computer. When it boots back up, the computer will be running off the dGPU, and Sport mode will have automatically increased the dGPU's base core clock from 1405 mhz (default) to 1505 mhz, and the dGPU's base memory clock from 2002 mhz (default) to 2100 mhz. (You can verify the change by downloading and using a GPU monitoring program like GPU-Z.)
- In the MSI Dragon Center, click the "System Tuner" tab, and then under the "Shift" column, select "Sport" (make sure your computer is plugged in; Sport mode is unavailable when running off battery)
- In the Nvidia Control Panel, set the "Preferred graphics processor" to "High-performance Nvidia Processor"
- Restart the computer. When it boots back up, the computer will be running (mostly) off the dGPU, and Sport mode will have automatically increased the dGPU's base core clock from 1405 mhz (default) to 1505 mhz, and the dGPU's base memory clock from 2002 mhz (default) to 2100 mhz. (You can verify the change by downloading and using a GPU monitoring program like GPU-Z.)
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As much as I want that OLED I don't know if the extra size and weight are worth it/worth waiting for and who knows what exactly the price would be for such a unit yet. But like you said if I could deal with the heavier weight and size I might as well get a 15 inch unit at that point that weighs the same or less with better specs in it, it's such a tough call I don't know what to do. I wanted to order a new laptop asap but now I'm torn if I should try and hold out a month or 2 or get the MSI now and try and sell it if something comes out I really want that much more or is "better"?
I also found out my work can order through a distributor that stocks some MSI stuff and I could get a gs43vr for 1400 from them before tax which makes ordering a 43VR even more tempting right now and saying screw waiting.
Also curious if anyone has recommendations for a cooling pad for a laptop of this size? I wouldn't so much be interested in the best one that gives the best cooling, but one that would help and hopefully be small enough to slide into my backpack and carry around with the laptop.Last edited: Sep 26, 2016 -
Don't know if it may be the solution but I noticed the following:
Microstutter upon clicking battery icon in the tray keeps appearing until I click once on win10 notification center icon in the tray. After that - no microstutter with "battery icon" testIf you reboot - microstutter appears again.
Haven't got a chance to play around extensively with the machine yet, so maybe this is not really THE solution but nevertheless.
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Something is seriously wrong with my laptop... I really can't stand MSI anymore.. I noticed that my CPU temps were fluctuating like crazy. Once I open any game or anything like that, the CPU temps climb up like crazy really quickly.
Here's a screenshot of me starting prime95 and the temps went up from 50 to 85 in 2 seconds. As soon as I stopped the test, they went down to 51, which is crazy.
@hmscott any idea what this could be ? Is it just wrong readings ? (The laptop doesn't feel hot when the temps reach 89)
Has anyone else had this problem ? @Prototime or others ?
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prime95 is one of the hottest running torture tests for a laptop CPU.
Of course the CPU core temps are gonna shoot up immediately, that's the whole point of running the test, to see how the power supply and cooling system manage the load.
85c is a good steady state temperature for such a slim laptop, and I would only run it for 5 minutes at a time. If you aren't thermal throttling by then you should be ok for normal day to day operations.
There are tougher tests, that run hotter, but the old standby test is to run p95, let the CPU temps jump, clear the readings in hwinfo64 after the fans catch up to the temperature load, and let it run for 5 minutes (15 minutes in the old days), and see if the cooling system can keep up.
You will find most laptops won't speed up the fans quick enough for p95, and you may initially thermal throttle on a core or two, until the fan curve catches up and really starts cooling. That's why you clear / reset the hwinfo64 reading.
Also, don't run all the time in High Performance 100%/100% CPU boost mode, it's only a small improvement for benchmarks which is the only time I use High Performance power plan, otherwise use the Balanced Power plan with CPU set to 0%/100% so it can downclock and cool off some between loads.
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Thing is I think something is wrong because even when I have the temp monitoring open, I see the temps jumping around randomly without doing anything, example: 50, 64, 52, 53, 74, all within 5 seconds with nothing running. I was wondering if these crazy spikes could be due to MSI poorly applying thermal paste or something.
And playing Dota 2 on medium settings, the CPU is getting to 90 degrees, while the gpu hovers around 60~, while on the previous GS43 I had, CPU was hovering around 78~79 in maxed out settings.
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The temps won't jump around, unless your clock rates are jumping around, as the load rapidly changes the temps will change.
If you have the Power Saving mode enabled, Eco, or some such in the MSI Dragon Gaming Center, it might be the cause.
But, in this case if you are only running p95 for 30 seconds, you aren't even running at full tilt on all 8 threads, they fire off and start loading, then start running. You are seeing the rapid changing state of all 8 cores as P95 starts.
Put it on Balanced Power Plan, or whatever the middle profile between Sport and Power Saver is in MSI Dragon Gaming Center, and let p95 run for 5 minutes.
It's not going to go up in a blaze of fire, if the core temps get over 93c the CPU will thermal throttle those cores, and keep it cool enough to run and not hurt itself.
The fans won't even really kick in for the first 1.5 minutes, give it all time to get loaded, running, heat up, and kick up the auto fans.
Or, enable the Full/Max fan - does the GS43 have that fan switch? If not enable 100% fans in the MSI Gaming Center. That's what everyone does that does benchmarking, and testing with P95, so they get the best temps possible.
That's likely what they did in that example you gave, ran Max/Full fan's.
30 seconds isn't even enough time for the fans to spin up in Auto Mode, or start to cool off at Max / Full fan speed.
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The temps quickly jumped to 88, and stabilized there, and I actually heard the fan slow down after a minute or so but the temp readings were stable.
As soon as I stopped Prime95, the temps dropped and the fan got faster again.
I'd understand something like Prime95 making the CPU reach 90s, but playing a game of dota 2 or fifa is what's bothering me and making me believe I got another bad apple... I'm pretty sure the CPU on the previous one was cooler.
I'd appreciate if others here can share their experience with CPU temp playing games, and maybe similar benchmarks.
(PS: I updated the BIOS and EC firmware but I don't think that helped).
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