The NEW MSI GS75, 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

Can the power delivery of the GS65 handle the higher power draw though? Is it as good as the power delivery of bigger laptops like the GE series?

 

Nah, I don't think so, but then again will depend on tests... I don't plan on putting anything more than say... 100W TDP on it. Because we have great temps at 80W and I don't think its going to go well as more power is allowed.

Plus I haven't checked if the GE series uses an additional power connector or draws everything from the MXM port. Considering the GTX1080 I have, I assume it does have an external power connector and in that case, we will be power limited because the GS series most likely doesn't use it.

 

Hey guys. For those of you that have the GS75 with a 2080 Max-Q, can you check GPU-Z and see what your stock base and boost clocks are?
I'm curious if you have the 80w or 90w version...

 

Once it ships and arrive, sure I will let you know

 

https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd
So according to this, you can run up to 100W, not sure about real life test on this machine but it would be nice to know if MSI had done any tests for it or not.

 

Hopefully the wattage design is also influenced by the extra length on the Heat Fins.

 

What's your ETA? I'm HOPING you have the 90w version so you can vbios dump for me =)

 

Last I checked, end of february. Hopefully earlier

 

Guys, any idea on the number of lanes Thunderbolt 3 uses on GS75? Some of manufacturers are cheating while boasting about Thunderbolt 3 but use only two lanes. And for me it's a huge decision point to have future proof machine capable of maximising potential of eGPU.

Can't decide between Y740 17" and MSI GS75

Thanks.

 

It's similar to what HDD manufacturers claim on HDD with SATA III by saying 6Gbps which is the interface speed but not the actual throughout.
With Thunderbolt 3.0 used by notebook systems, it should be the LP version which uses PCIe 3.0 x2 link, see below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)#Thunderbolt_3
Intel offers three versions of the controller: [57]

• Double Port (DP) uses a PCIe 3.0 ×4 link to provide two Thunderbolt 3 ports (DSL6540, JHL6540)
• Single Port (SP) uses a PCIe 3.0 ×4 link to provide one Thunderbolt 3 port (DSL6340, JHL6340)
• Low Power (LP) uses a PCIe 3.0 ×2 link to provide one Thunderbolt 3 port (JHL6240)

 

So you are saying that TB3 4 lanes in notebooks are nothing than a marketing gimmick?

 

I don’t think so. I believe MSI offers 4x lanes at PCIe 3.0.
I had a GS43 and I used eGPU with a 1080 ti, I had 4 lanes.
I’m pretty sure the MSI gaming laptops have TB3 at 4x speeds.
I’d check but I don’t use eGPU right now since I sold my 1080 ti


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I looked at the manual of the GS75. It has TB3 with “up to 40Gbps data rate” which falls under 4x PCIe 3.0.

Also, I checked what TB3 generation I have.
It’s 15D9, single port. Can’t find a spec sheet on it though.

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TB3 has various of products available to choose from depending on available lanes so this might affect previous generation. We will double check with MSI on Monday in regards to GS75 and shall get back to you with a confirmation, thank you.

 

Just wanting to confirm if the 2060 is the regular non max q ?
EDIT read back it is.... decision made..

https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...Force-RTX-2060-Laptop_9611_9581.247598.0.html

 

Thought I’d drop this in for you guys.



Looks like LM is a requirement to keep temps down.


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If you can see the fans, at 1:55, shouldn't you be able to see the heat pipes and heat sink under that paper so it could easily be repasted?

 

Guess you gotta still take out the mobo lol...
#AmazingDesign


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Maybe someday someone will actually pull that paper back so we can see. What a novel idea.

 

It should in theory be 4x because of the 40GB bandwidth, but still, don't think this is futureproofing. As GPUs become more and more complex and capable, the 4x PCIe interface will become a larger bottleneck, so I don't think it's a good idea to misled you into thinking you will properly utilize the full GPU power. As long as you remember there will be some bottleneck, its fine.

I hadn't seen the Y740, looks nice for thin and light, no wonder you are thinking what you should get I will check out the Y740 but personally I don't trust lenovo for cooling on anything. My work uses thinkapds and P workstation laptops for everything and they are one of the worst in cooling I have ever used. The P line has fantastic build quality though, just can't seem to keep the CPU cool enough.

 

Confirmed that the TB3 controller is PCIe 3.0 x4.

 

Best Buy, at least the one in my area, shows the GS75 2080 and 2070 on sale now available for delivery on Tuesday Feb 19 or pickup in store on the 20th. It shows the 2060 as sold out.

Now the 2080 shipping is Feb 22 and pickup is not available within 250 miles.

 

So yeah I suppose we won't hear much until the week of 25 of feb. Another week more... almost there...

 

Amazon says the 2080 is in stock. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MQBN2X1?ref=emc_p_m_5_i

I don't know what the reviews are for.

 

Hey, does anyone know what panel is used on the GS75?

According to this review, it seems like the 144hz panel is significantly better compared to the AUO panel on the GS65
https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/msi-gs75-stealth

I quote
The GS75 Stealth's panel covered 161 percent of the sRGB color gamut, crushing the 136-percent premium gaming laptop average. It even put the Eon 17-X (104 percent), the Alienware 17 (110 percent) and the Aorus X9 (122 percent) to shame. At 339 nits of brightness, the GS75 Stealth toppled the category average (278 nits), the Aorus X9 (243 nits) and the Eon17-X (252 nits). However, the Alienware 17's display came out on top with 352 nits of brightness.

 

I believe they use the Innolux on GS75.

 

Hey everyone,
If you're curious about 80w vs 90w 2080 Max-Q performance...

https://www.theeverydayenthusiast.com/home/comparison-80w-vs-90w-2080-max-q

 

RAM is on the other side, just like the GS65. But M.2 SSD Slots (all 3 of them) are easy access as you open the back panel.

 

Both MSI GS65 and GS75 uses 230W for RTX 2070 & RTX 2080.
180W for the RTX 2060 versions.

 

Very interesting comparison. Great work

So basically it's a 12.5% increase in power consumption for a 5% increase in performance.

Guess we'll have to wait till someone makes a 100-110w vbios for tangible gains.

 

Yea, I was a bit disappointed honestly.

 

I may try giving vbios modding a go if I have the time.

Since we have the 80w and 90w vbioses to look at and cross reference, it should be easier to see what changes between the two bioses and increase the tdp further. Not sure how vbios signing works tho.

 

Earlier CES videos confirmed no board flipping to upgrade but I guess that didn't include the ram. At least the ram may out live the need for more storage.

 

PC Mag review - https://www.pcmag.com/review/366474/msi-gs75-stealth

 

Anyone else worried about the trackpad ?

Another user pointed out:

the trackpadlooks really poorly positioned > it looks nicecentered, but it doesn't seem ideal for typing, especially since they made it extra wide.

Hope this has palm rejection ! I see myself putting my palm on it.

Just had a look at pcworld review. It does seem to be an issue:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/333...eview-with-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-max-q.html

"Perhaps the most unusual choice is the placement of the trackpad. It’s beautifully glass-smooth and responsive, with support for Microsoft’s Precision Driver gestures. The palm rejection is excellent, too. But it’s so huge, you’ll constantly place your right wrist on it while typing, and likely trigger the trackpad’s physical click mechanism.

Much of the problem stems from MSI’s decision to center the trackpad on the keyboard tray (roughly between the ‘I’ and ‘O’ keys), rather than center it under the QWERTY keyboard (between the ‘T’ and ‘U’ keys). Your wrist just naturally falls where the trackpad lies. "

 

That's certainly a problem worth noting.

But if you use a mouse you can just outright disable the trackpad though.

 

on the GT75 Titan the trackpad is right in the middle of the QWERTY keys the center of the trackpad is exactly underneath the B key

You can do this to disable it though if you use an external mouse like me:

 

The trackpad placement is probably one of my bigger concerns with the laptop.

 

I'll ask them same that I asked in the GS65 thread to see GS75 enthusiasts take on this.

So the GS75 is only 350 grams heavier (1.9kg vs 2.25kg) and a couple cm longer. Has 3 accesible (without sweating cold) SSD slots and a micro SD card reader. Plus screen is brighter and bigger. RTX2060 version costs the same as as GS65. The only minus is that the windows key was moved to the right (why?) and can connect to one fewerscreen due to the lack of mini DP connection in GS75.

Apart from bigger size and a tad heavier is there any reason why not to pick the GS75 and pick the GS65? Maybe the GS75 have better thermals also. Also I believe both have the same AC adapter.

 

Unless you want the GS65 there is no real good reason not to buy the GS75 instead. It is basically a 17" in 15" body with bigger keyboard with numpad, 3 M2 ports, better cooling, micro sd slot and an extra USB C port.

 

About that, would it be possible to remap the keys fn and Windows with some software to invert them and physically pop the keycaps and invert them too ? They look to be the same size and shape...
You still lose the "4 buttons on the left then spacebar" but at least it's easier to adapt to that than trying to Windows+E or +D with 2 hands.

 

GT62 (6 and 7 gen) have the option in bios to turn Fn to Win and Win to Fn key. Probably here is the same.

 

That is why I like the Gs75, but some users prefer maximum portability and some don't like the numpad. The GS65 is like a 14inch with a 15inch screen, so it's more portable, and 15% lighter.

I personally wanted the numpad which is why I didn't consider the GS65. thermals should be about the same, I doubt it has better thermals. There is hardly room to improvement in such a tight chasis with current limits. I suspect they are the same in there.

 

Gaming on the GS75. Toasty CPU.

 

Just received my baby (with 2070).
Replaced a 5 years old GS60.

I'm used to the keyboard layout, the keys fell a little more punchy, quite harder to press, eager on release, i like that. It is a very quiet keyboard, which is great according to me.

The overall build quality is awesome, great improvement over my old GS60. No flex on screen nor case.
The screen is bright, color uniformity appears perfect to my human eyes.
No light bleed, pretty cool cause I had an ugly one on my previous GS60.

Quite idling while writing this message, CPU cores average temp is 61 degrees Celsius, which i find a bit high, no BIOS update so far on MSI website, but i do not worry, post-prod fixes are a common thing.

I booted Windows only once to extract the CD key, then installed latest Ubuntu. It's working but has room for improvements.

Wifi OK,
Touchpad OK and really precise.
Display detected and configured in 144hz by Nouveau driver.
Smooth installation, boot, reboot, poweroff

BUT
FN functions are dead
Airplane mode auto turn on after sleep, need a reboot (says "hardware deconnected")
Worst thing being Nvidia, no RTX mobile driver yet, so it's Nouveau and STFU. Support told me that it's "planned" but no commitment on a date.

 

This is a great video that shows the motherboard layout for anyone interested. It is definitely flipped for people who want to upgrade RAM and repaste, BUT it looks like their isn't many screws and plugs holding it in. Maybe it isn't to hard to do (I don't typically repaste, so not the right person to comment on this).

Seems they balanced performance for laptop noise. Maybe it can be pushed a little more, but I think that the 2070 and 2060 should perform really well, if the 2080 can do it without blowing up.

The biggest issue I have is build quality.

I am a big Vaio guy when Sony use to push the envelope. I still have a S15, and I feel like the laptop here has similar issues.

Sony tried to explain to customers that flex is important, especially if you drop it BUT their was a compromise in doing so. It feels flimsy, and from the video above, it definitely looks like it will bend quite a bit.

Screen bend I can live with, but it is pretty bad that if bends when you apply pressure to the keyboard and palm rest.

I think I would have preferred another 100-200 grams just to reinforce a little bit more around the keyboard and palmrest.

Otherwise I am really digging this laptop!

 

Hmm, it seems that the RTX2080 max-q in the GX701 has a higher tdp limit since linus is only taking the gpuz reported boost clock.

1590mhz vs 1200mhz on the GS75

Does anyone confirm whether the GX701 actually has a higher tdp for the 2080 max-q?

 

Something to consider with the super thin hot running laptops is the Lithium-Ion battery packs are failing with many swelling and popping out of the laptop - pushing keyboards and chassis parts out.

@mason2smart went through Asus Zephryus and now Acer failed batteries.

Want to add anything @mason2smart ?