*** The Official MSI GE75 Raider Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

I'm using throttlestop but where do you find the option to lock it?

 

In the FIVR screen all the way to the left you will see what the Turbo for the cores are dependent upon how many cores are active. Will look like this:


You can then set the Max. You can also play around with the turbo limits for the number of cores active.

 

Is it my impression or the RTX 2070 isn´t that much better then a GTX 1070, atleast the cap diference of 450$...

Or is it worth?


Link compares both GPUS!

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Compu...eselect[]=332&gameselect[]=329&gpu_fullname=1

Based on this, note most RTX score was made with i5 9700K and on GTX was a i7 8750H

 

9700K is an i7 CPU not an i5

 

well some good news for europeans.

i saw in this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-recommendations-update-thermal-pads.796820/
that Alphacool Eisschicht = Fujipoly.

i found a retailer in norway that sells alphacool and checked the datasheet


Same as Fujipoly Sarcon XR-m in this catalog https://www.fujipoly.com/usa/assets/files/Fujipoly 2016 Sarcon Catalog for web.pdf

Alphacool Eisschicht is sold in many countries in europe. https://www.alphacool.com/campaign/index/emotionId/1917

 

Applying liquid metal is as easy as applying a normal paste, just use silicone conformal coating over the cpu/gpu green area (well in fact just over the golden pins on it) to not fry it. I have done it a lot of times and really worth it.

 

scotch 33+ and foam dam barier is much better solution in my opinion

 

Do you use some foam in special? (amazon link if so )

 

Throttlestop (without TDP mode)
Core: -140
Cache: -140
Intel GPU: -50

Afterburner
Core clock: Curve (generated by Afterburner OC Scanner)
Memory clock: +1100

Results (my RTX2070 model, fresh win10 install):
Time Spy: 8 029 (8 420 graphics, 6 357 cpu)
Fire Strike: 17 953 (22 180 graphics, 15 489 cpu)

 

Hello friends )
I want to share my experience with the GE75 RTX 2070.
After the purchase, I ran into the problem of dropping frames in many games due to CPU heat. This was especially evident in the "AC Odyssey". Reducing the voltage to 160 mV did better, but did not solve the problem.
Today I changed the thermal grease to Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and lo and behold! my problem is gone. CPU temperature dropped by 10 ° C
Therefore, if you are experiencing similar problems with skipping frames, you need to try changing the thermal paste. Native pasta is of very poor quality.

P.S. Sorry for my english )

 

Sounds promising! That's exactly what I'm planning to do, I ordered the same thermal paste even and I too noticed issues with AC: Odyssey (though Origins was equally or even more demanding especially in Alexandria).

How are your temperatures after the repasting? If I lose 10C, it would put me under 90C which isn't optimal but much better than the 95-100C temperature spikes I've been experiencing with that game. At least average temperatures are bit lower, but even they are alarmingly high. I've undervolted heavily and limited turbo too, though I've been tempted to push my Raider even harder in the hopes that the thing breaks under stress and I'd send it to warranty.

I'm utter novice in laptops, I've only switched memory and hard drives so I'm interested in hearing how difficult it was with you if and when I'll try to do the same. How difficult is it to remove the heat sink? It looks similar to mine except with the extra heat pipe in RTX2080 model I have.

Any dangers I'd should be aware of? I also ordered antistatic wrist band, cleaning kit to remove existing paste and I have some disposable gloves too just in case if I need to be aware of impurities while changing the paste. With my experience I'm still worried I'll break the thing...

 

Hi Scramble,

It's pretty straight forward to remove the heatsink and fans, only thing to be mindful of is that it takes a bit of pressure to remove it as the paste creates a bit of adhesion between the die and the heatsink. So make sure you don't lift too aggressively as you wouldn't want to bend/twist the heat pipes.

 

Is the settings in Ultra?!

 

For me, the biggest challenge was removing the laptop cover But since you have already switched memory and hard drives, there will be no difficulty with this. Highlights when removing the radiator:
1. Unscrew the screw 1 and remove the battery
2. Remove the power connector and bend the cable (under it is a screw that holds the fan). Remove right fan connector. I did not touch the connector of the left fan, it does not interfere (but this is up to you)
3. Remove the screws on the fans.
4. Unscrew the radiator screws and carefully remove it.

 

I do not remember. Such a problem was on any graphics settings, even at the lowest.

 

Excellent, thank you! Very nice illustration too. I'm sure there are alot of people who do repaste laptops in their sleep but for me this is very helpful. Especially knowing about the screw under the connector cable is very good to know.

That thing was quite expensive and combined with my lack of experience (and confidence) I'll try to be sure I won't mess things up by overt stupidity. I have opened my Raider once and it was challenging, especially from behind, even if I had quitar picks and credit cards to help me.

 

But u achived a high score if u did the benchmark test in Ultra because most reviews gives us less then 60 FPS in Ultra.
Can u test some other game, like Far Cry 5 or something that has a benchmark?

Wanna know how much better is then a GTX 1070 since the price is 500$ less!

 

Today I am writing from the desktop. Tomorrow I can test on ulta and lay out the result.
Far Cry 5, unfortunately, I do not have.

 

Thanks alote.
I order mine RTX 2070 but im getting cold foot because I gona pay 500€ more for the RTX model against the GTX 1070 and Im not sure if its worth!

 

Having Benchmarked many gaming laptops using the Far Cry 5 benchmark at 1080p Ultra, I can tell you the RTX 2070 benchmarks similarly to the GTX 1080, and that means a good improvement over a GTX 1070. Whether more than10 fps+ is worth the money to you-- that's up to you. Our unit scored 92 fps on Ultra- you can see it for yourself in my video review. Note that this is with dual channel RAM, which can make up to a 20 fps improvement over single channel in Far Cry 5 (Far Cry 5 shows one of the highest improvements with dual channel RAM). I have a video on that topic on our YouTube channel too .

 

I saw that video "7 times" haha a great review and very well explained. And I´m very proud of u and have to congrat u for ur reviews in general, very well done!

The problem remains, sure, Far Cry 5 score well, but the GE73 has almost 90 FPS when OC too, so the difference of score isn´t that high in this case, what other games COULD we compare?

I notice this: Recent games the RTX will perfome better, atleast Hitman 2 u can see 20 FPS more, note sure if its accurate since CPU isn´t even the same... but again, there is so little info about it and I have 2 days to decide what model to buy!

What I wanna know and I know u gona say "its all about what I wanna spend", if its worth for non ray games to invest 500$ more for a RTX 2070 instante of a GTX 1070.
Sure both models that I intend to buy are dual channel 32GB (16GB x2). Still 500$ price...

Sadly there are only a few "reviews" of RTX 2070 even at notebookcheck u can´t make any conclusion.

In ur honest opinion, taking everything in consideration, WHAT WOULD U BUY,, the GE73 with a GTX 1070 or a GE75 with a RTX 2070?!

 

I hadn't overclocked nor undervolted for that video. I always present it stock as you'd get it from the store, unless otherwise stated. So, it could do better than 92 fps. I might try that, if I can find the time.

For non Ray Tracing titles, surely RTX matters less. The other interesting thing though is DLSS, which not only makes game visuals look sharper, but can reduce GPU load (it's more efficient). So that means you can get higher fps in games. Right now we only have a handful of titles supporting DLSS, but NVIDIA is promising that the number will hit 28 well before year's end. That to me, could be a bigger motivator to opt for RTX than Ray Tracing's more realistic lighting (often subtle so not a big motivator).

The final motivator is higher resolution gaming. If you're just going to use the built-in 1080p panel, then RTX's performance advantages aren't exciting enough. But RTX excels as resolution goes up- particularly being much more able to play AAA games at 4K and desirable frame rates. 1440p sees an improvement as well. But GTX is more than capable for 1080p.

 

Oha didn´t know that.
In any case I needed to repast it for sure because it overheats. U got impressive results in stock!

About "DLSS" didn´t know much about that, I even tought it would cost more frames on games. If so, then its a great TECH to be explored and if Nvidia does what they say it will be a gain gain!

In my case, if I order the GE75 it will come with a Liquid Metal on CPU and GPU. It would be a gain gain here to since it overheats like hell even in GE73 (in this case I would repast it with grizzly something).

Anyways, I don´t use any Ray, I don´t like it, overtakes the cenario ingame specialy when it comes to FPS, to much "image noise" if u know what I mean.
Anycase, It makes me crazy about what to choose :S its still 500$ but otherwise maybe I get a big improvemente over some games.

I usualy play BF4 and GTA V mostly, I do play other games but only singleplayer (util I finish the story).

And also, I only gona play always at 1080p in or out home, in my home I connect it to my 1080p DELL monitor!

 

Is it possible if you can share the settings with throttle stop and msi afterburner, I'm trying with -70 undervolt and +75 core and +1200 memory but the best score I am achieving is 9330.

Sent from my EVR-L29 using Tapatalk

 

If you are after value, performance/per price, the new GPUs are not it. There is no way around it. New GPUs are very expensive per nvidia, and while they can be faster (The 2080 is king on laptops, period) and offer new technologies like DLSS and ray tracing potential, they will come at a premium. Aside from the 2080, the 2070 and 2060 have rivals in pascal with 1080 and 1070 GPUs which are still every bit as powerful, if not more from time to time.

If you don't care about the new features that the new GPUs bring, then you should definitely look at Pascal GPU options. They are still pretty powerful and should come at excellent prices.

While supplies last hahaha.

 

No, it was not ultra. At ultra only 60 fps.

 

If i get this model, should i repaste with LM? Is it risky if i move the laptop too much?

 

It works very well even with stock paste. I have 87 CPU / 77 GPU max with Prime95 + Kombustor benchmark (after undervolting). OF course if you want better performance with higher CPU Frequency (my is 2.9Ghz under long and high load), you should apply LM. Also there are few people here with stock paste issue - the have 90+ degrees CPU out-of-box, so it also could be a lottery. But even repaste give you good thermal, without LM.

 

You got some serious problems if your CPU is running at 2.9GHz and it is hitting 87c

 

Do you think so? This result was taken on Prime95 SmallFFTs (description says: "maximum heat") test running with MSI Kombustor stress test at one time. Of course I have much better temps and frequencies in Cinebench and other benchmarks.

For example, Cinebench Extreme (long version of Cinebench, no GPU bench) gives me stable 3.6Ghz on each core (as I set in Throttlestop to prevent throttling), package temp is about 75C, CPU Fan ~5500RPM.

 

Those numbers running other benchmarks and at 3.6 sound much better!!!

 

Those are good temps for conservative performance.

 

I´m kinda sad.
I bought the GE75 8SF, ok, they did repast it with metal liquid, payed 75€, but, I also added 16GB to make dual channel. So far so good.

Installed windows and so one.
1) Can´t install any Nvidia drivers besides the crappy version of DCH system... WHY and how do I fix that?! I can´t even acess control panel thats sucks!

2) Temps? Well I didnt activat the turbo fans ofc but without it on, I reach 91ºC with Power Limit Throttle (I did undervoltage to -160mV). Who can it be with metal liquid reaching that temps by running 3DMark 11!? Sure when I activate turbo speed on the fans I get max of 70ºC... but still! HOW can I fix that Power Limit thing confirmed with Intel Xtreme Utility and how to I fix my temps?!

3) I scored in 3DMark in perfomance 20899P (GPU was 27192 with a +125/500MHz OC). Perfomance wise I think its fine but still...

Need help to install NORMAL drivers and how to fix the thermal and Power Limit thing! They did repast the with Grizzly Cond...

GPU reached only 60ºC with OC... there I good a great thermal!

My firste results of 3DMark https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/13185390

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34077454?

GE75 8SG model. Stock cooling. I added 16 gig ram to go dual channel. Mild 123mhz GPU/ 915mhz memory boost using MSI AfterBurner. I am happy with the performance so far. Scored a smoking deal at Frys with one of those magic 20% off coupons they hand out at the door.

 

Sorry to ask but can u put ur settings here... what u mean by "without TDP mode).
Did u run Intel XTU and had any Power Throttle?

Im using
Core -150~Cache -150 and GPU -50 but im not sure if I selected correctly, can u show me a printscreen of ur settings=

 

You need to install GeForce Experience and download the latest driver through it. For these new RTX cards the NVIDIA control panel is now a UWP compatible app that is supposed to DL automatically from the MS store when you update your NVIDIA drivers. Something is messed up with it, though. I will be back with a link you can try to download and install it from.

 

This was posted by Papusan in the Alienware Area 51-M thread. Might work for you for the control panel.

 

After fresh Win10 install, drivers bellow must be installed in following order:

1) Chipset (from MSI support site)
2) Intel Management Engine (from MSI support site)
3) Intel VGA Driver (from MSI support site)
4) Nvidia Control Panel (UWP version from MS Store: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/nvidia-control-panel/9nf8h0h7wmlt )
4) Nvidia VGA Driver (DCH version, from nvidia site)
5) Audio (from MSI support site, need to make some additional steps to prevent default Win10 driver install: https://www.gfisk.com/realtek-audio-driver-install-loop-windows-10/ )
6) LAN (from MSI support site)
7) Card Reader (from MSI support site)
8) Wireless LAN (from MSI support site, Intel driver only, no Killer)
9) Bluetooth (from MSI support site, Intel driver only, no Killer)
10) TouchPad (from MSI support site)
11) EC Firmware (from MSI support site)
12) Silent option (instead of Dragon Center 2.0)
13) Afterburner, ThrottleStop, etc.

It's important to install Control Panel before DCH NVIDIA driver.

Power limit throttle is ok, but with this temps you should get Thermal limit throttle. Or not? 91 is really high for 3D Mark, what is your idle CPU temp?

TDP mode is a BIOS mode which was described by AWholeHam here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.825828/page-48#post-10863491
It could give better performance and temps but if you failed with some setting - you get brick, even hard BIOS reset will not help you, only service center. But some people here made it.

As for me, I just made undervolt in ThrottleStop -140/-140/-50 and have limited turbo boost freq for 6 cores by 3.6. Also don't forget to enable throttlestop by button Turn On in main window.

For me, curve generated by Afterburner OC Scanner gives me more performance than manual +140 core.

 

Someone playing Battlefield V or Anthem with the 2080 RTX???, because I'm having a lot less FPS in High than https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-ge75-raider-rtx-gaming-laptop,5983.html.

He says

Mine, with DX12 and Ray Tracing OFF, in High graphics, I'm always between 50-70 Fps A lot less if I activate DXR.
I was thinking if for some reason it was my laptop problem, but I ran the Rise of the Tomb Raider Benchmark that in that review scored 72 and Mine scored 74... So I don't know what is my problem with Battlefield(or Anthem, I have like 30-40 fps in all presets, with LOW gpu usage).

 

Read the Ultra Male post about windows tweaks.
edit: You can update nvidia drivers via Geforce Experience
link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-tweaks-and-fixes-index-post-1.779394/

 

Not true, download the DCH version then the nvidia control panel from windows store. GeForce Experience is not needed.

 

Tweaks and GeForce Experience shouldn’t be used in the same sentence. You DO NOT need it installed to get the correct drivers. Why in the world would you want GeForce Experience?

 

Can’t find your post regarding the DCH drivers so I’ll quote this. Whats wrong with the DCH drivers? They work fine, and you can get NVIDIA Control Panel from the windows store. Literally takes 2 seconds of research to realize that.

 

Idk why you all are limiting your boost clock. I have mine set to 41 all cores and my temps are beautiful. Never hit PL before but I still did the BIOS mod.

 

Worked like a charm!

 

Just as an alternative

 

Ok then. But I tryed to search for NVIDIA Panel and I didn´t find it on MS Store.
I need it to tweak things like I did in the past, when Im not plugged in I dont wanna use Nvidia and I wanna configure some grapgics settings.

I contacted MSI and they reply the same as u, I need to install via MS Store. But It doesn´t show up :S omg.... Kinda getting regred to invest 2300$ in this laptop!

How do u use Afterburner OC Scanner? What afterburner did u download? and how can I apply that curve?

Well IDLE temps are 44 to 46ºC but it has spikes to 55 or 60º for a 1 or 2 seconds, when Im doing something ofc.

Cant understand WHY i have this temps, I dont wanna go back to the store (had to travel 200km for that and I can´t be without the laptop).... damn I have such bad luck.

Mine is normal at 4.0 Turbo since im using Metal Liquid I shouldn´t worry about temps anyways!

Well Nvidia Experience is great, I like it... and I like tradicional panel so that I can confg my graphics settings
Cant figure out WHY nvidia did this or MS. I cant even find the Nvidia Panel on MS Store!

 

So was looking at a GS75 but after reading this forum I think I might switch to a GE75. A question though. A stock machine with 16GB of RAM, does this come as 1 x 16GB stick or 2 x 8GB sticks. I want to upgrade it to the max as this won't primarily be for playing games so would like to get the maximum of memory installed. Anyone know of any custom builders in the UK, I see HiDevolution is a popular choice in the US, but I don't want to ship from the US due to customs charges. An are there any suggestions for re-pasting the CPU and GPU, whats the best paste/pad to use, I can probably do a normal thermal paste job but don't think I could handle a liquid metal re-paste. I see HiDevolution offer this "Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces", I understand the CPU and GPU bit but what do they do for the last bit "Thermal pads on heat sensitive surfaces"

Thanks

 

U need to go to dual channel, better if u have already 16GB just buy another 16GB stick and u will have a great perfomance.

For the thermals, MSI says that we CAN´T change the Thermal Pads otherwise u gona lose warranty (I have the email from them saying the Thermal Pads are of High Quality and therefor is no need to change them altough u can repast it and even metal liquid it if its done by professionals).

So I didn´t change any thermal pads, even the store told me there isnt any reason for it.
Anycase I have liquid metal and still high temps WHEN only not with TURBO fans enabled, because if I enable the fans I get great temps but ITS SOOOOO LOUD!

 

I actually originally ordered the GS75 too, but the canceled the order and jumped on the GE75. I got the RTX 2070 version. Way better performance since it’s not a max-q version and $100 cheaper price.

As for Ram, it normally comes with a single 16GB stick.

I think that the laptop might come with normal thermal pads and then they are replaced with Fujipoly?

As for paste I didn’t go with LM, and instead went with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on CPU/GPU