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Please post CPU performance! Im considering this for work because my alienware BURNED. So looking for a stabile alternative

 

Will do. I plan to run regualr CPU benchmarks first and then get to tweaking and undervolting to get more performance. Im hoping intel binned these nicely so they dont throttle all the time with 30x multiplier on all cores. Maybe MSI upgraded the CPU heatsink...

 

Nice!

Im am getting either another go at the m51 (risky) or 2080 and the 8 core. Its tempting and so cool in a laptop! Uness it thrttes

 

Based on what we had between kaby lake 4 cores and coffee lake 6 cores, i expect atleast 200mhz decrease across all cores during sustained load on the 8 core. I hope im wrong and its on par with the 6 core but highly unlikely. Im hoping these 8 cores are binned very well thus we can undervolt them nicely to gain back thermal headroom...

Was thinking getting the 2080 but the gains arent worth the price hike... Besides still a 1080 panel MSI get your stuff together and stuff a 1440 panel in this laptop already.

 

I see what you mean but I use it for specific 3D work jobs where I render from GPU to an external drive, then render video through the CPU. I dont game much and when I do its connected to a 4K monitor anyway

 

I ordered from HIDEvolution and went with the 9880H and the 2080 So will be able to report back once I receive mine to see differences. I am going to be using mine primarily for work too and rendering video, etc. I opted for the Liquid Metal with HID since they warranty the process as well. This thing is going to be a monster with the 9880H, GTX 2080 32GB RAM and 1TB NVME. I went all in on this since I upgrade once every 4+ years.

 

Is 95Celcius for CPU normal when playing game? Should i buy a thermal paste

 

What monitor are you using? That is my next purchase

 

Yeah. Ive been told stock thermal paste is junk. Though i'd think twice with liquid metal. Aside from the risk it rolling off and getting inside the PCB causing a short, liquid metal tends to fuse with copper when left for long perios of time. Since MSI heatsinks are not nickel plated and are direct copper exposed, the risk of it fusing is pretty high.

 

Hello guys,
According to this answer on askwoody about windows update here : https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/may-2019-patch-tuesday-arrives/#post-1625743
AND this post then : https://mdsattacks.com/ ( All intel CPU are vulnerable apprently...)

I would like to know if changing , disable, the Hyperthreading in the bios is recommended ?

i got an MSI GE73 8rf but couldn't find some info on the forum about the hyperthreading (enable/disable). I just saw a video recommend to disable it , to got better performance while gaming, and according to the ''MDS" vulnerability posted ....

Any thought, help, would be appreciate, thx. ( All intel CPU are vulnerable apprently...)

 

People overblow these vulrabilities. The attacker would need local access to your system and a version of windows thats not updated to exploit it. I would not worry about this and continue as usual. Wait for a new BIOS update with the updated microcode.

 

@L33i Thank you. About my question on the hyperthreading disable, does it perform better while gaming, or should we let it as enable in the bios

 

In some games hyperthreading does hinder performance but this usually applies to told games like GTA 4 and its in the single digits performance loss. I would leave it enabled if you play mostly modern games as hyperthreading does benefit some games and overall windows performance.

 

Excellent. I want to see that heatsink!

 

Hi i will be buying Cooler Master Mastergel Maker, so what should I consider? Doing just normal thermal pasting job would be fine? Or is this one of the high ends?

 

Yes of course you can repaste cpu and gpu with cmmgm paste, but like I said, you will need for sure the K5 Pro paste for the vram and vrm too. Otherwise you will have problems at least with the vrm (maybe also with the vram) for sure.

 

Hi sorry for asking again so if open my laptop for thermal pasting my CPU and GPU, I will definitely need to change the thermal pads for vram and vrm, right?

 

You dont have thermal pads around the gpu. You have just a few small pink thermal pads above the cpu. I think they are about 1.5mm. Msi is using some strange gum-paste for everything - including cpu and gpu

https://imgur.com/ysWitlD

 

Thanks for the photo. When you repasted did you leave the 1.5mm pads in place or replace them with K5 Pro?

 

I personally took the K5 Pro because it has a solid thermal conductivity of 5.3W/M.k But you could also leave the standard thermal pads

 

any results yet?

 

Careful when doing the repaste yourselves guys. I bent my heatpipe near the CPU side veryeasily while cleaning off the old paste. The blue substance was quite difficult to remove even though i used medical grade alcohol.

Any ideas where it could be possible to get a replacement heatsink?

 

can anyone share what difference in performance on ge75 2080 150watt gpu vs 51m 2080 200wartt is?

 

Hello guys,

I'm thinking about returning my GE75 8SG (w/ rtx 2080) but before, I'd like to know your temperatures.

After bios tweaking, repaste with Kyronaut, if my Speedshift is set to 0 (so full power), with 4 cores at 3,9ghz constant : my temperatures hit ~80°C on average.

Are yours the same ? I have the impression +80°C is quite high for 3,9ghz... with such undervolt and repaste.

Thanks for your answers !

 

What exactly is the problem with 80 degrees under full load?

The chip has no problem to handle 95 constantly

 

Comparing to people who have the same laptop, from hundred pages I've been reading without remembering precisely, I have the impression mine runs quite hot, so I'm just asking

 

You can't really compare with other people like that, since ambient temps play a huge role as well. I recommend that you only focus on getting your temps under control for your use. Some people will have lower temps, other will have higher - the important thing is to not have throttle so that you have full performance for your use.

Besides, not all hardware is the same, "identical" GPU and CPUs will have varying temperature and power use depending on their yield quality. Some simply work with lower voltages, others need a bit more.

 

You mentioned bios tweaks, but did you also continue to undervolt in throttle stop? After the bios tweaks I was still able to have a decent undervolt in throttle stop to assist in bringing down temps.

 

Thanks ryzeki for the answer.

@ricorlin : yes of course. Loadlines to 1, I was still able to undervolt cpu core and cache down to 0,70mV.

In Magic Arena (an unity game), 4 cores @3,9ghz, cpu cores monitoring on hwinfo were hitting 80degres celsius on average (fluctuating constantly between 78 to 82) which is for me too high for such a non AAA game (unless it’s poorly optimized).

I based my questions on this owner : who has some pretty legit temperatures. No undervolt, just a Repaste with kyronaut and only hitting max 80 degrees on Metro. You can see it at the end of the video. He is running at 3,9ghz constantly and his temperatures look nice ! (No undervolt !).

 

ON Afterburner overlay, 80° is average, not max, when he play Metro, his cpu is in the 90'S degree.... AND when u watch the video, on HWMonitor, he hides the tab voltages and power... I would not trust youtubers before i do my personnal test, undervolt, gaming experience...

As Ryseki said, do your own test with undervolt, and try to not copy tweaks from each others before. After that, with the help of the community here, you will find the "sweet spot" as I did on my pc, with the help from Nice & Kind people as Uncleweeb, Hackness, Falkentyne, Phenix, Papusan, and many others . I don't let my Speed shift EPP at 0 on Load, and 36/35/34 on my cores, BF 1 the cpu is on 71° on average, max 84 on 2 cores, gpu 72 average, 120 FPS. Got the laptop without windows, so no bloat from MSI or Microsoft, did some tweaks at install (No dragon center, No Telemetry, No Cortana....On start, or iddle, got 89 Process instead of 180 or more. I control my windows update, tweak W10 a lot at the install...GE73 8rf)

 

I’m super excited!

I got the GE75 with 9880h and 2080 rtx after my first 51m burned and I went through two months of horrible service, delays etc. I just got refund.

Anyway I use this machine for cpu and gpu intensive work and stability is key (hence why I cancelled my dell order- unstable).

I receive it next week and I’d love to get going with undervolting a little

Are there any known issues I should test for with the GE75 right away? With the 51m for example it burned not by using gpu, but when using 100% cpu and exporting to a phone connect through usb compiling application. Tech said the MB couldn’t get enough power. Entire machine roasted.

And are there any score list on the forum for this machine? When not running stabile for work I might try for fun and push it a couple of times

So excited for this machine after seeing mainly positive reviews and much less stories about machines shutting down. It’s a good alternative with its 8 cores and lighter weight than the bigger machines

All tips on getting going are welcome.

Any other software than ThrottleStop to use? Any that can load on windows boot?

 

Guys, can somebody advise me what is the best setting for throttlestop?
I'm using rtx2060.

 

The best setting for Throttlestop is totally unique to your GE75. No one can tell you what that is, it can only be determined through careful (and tedious) testing.

 

Hi guys I bought Cooler Master Mastergel Maker thermal paste, how am I supposed to apply this (I only did this job on desktop before)? Do I also need to buy thermal pads?

 

Clean up the existing one using a little bit of alcohol or WD-40 with a paper towel and it will come right off easy. Apply the new thermal paste amount reasonably and as you apply pressure on the heatsink then it will spread evenly therefore please don't apply it excessively.

 

Thank you all for your help.

 

Got my Raider from HIDevolution yesterday, its excellent. I got 144 fps on my RTX 2070 on ultra while playing rage 2. Should I go to the most recent drivers or stick with the ones that were installed on the machine?

 

Depends on you. If it's working right, keep your machine as is

Depending on the devices, drivers will update or send you notifications that a new driver is available. And for the case of nvidia drivers, I only update when a new driver fixes/improves performance of a specific game I am playing, otherwise I keep my current working version.

 

Hey guys, so the GE75 RAIDER-283 seems like the laptop for me after much research. Only thing is is doesn't support GSync. How big a deal is this? Is it a deal breaker?

 

In my opinion, it isn't. It's nice to have but I never really used it with my GT73 and I don't miss it with my GS75.

 

It doesn't support G-Sync on the laptop panel (which is 144hz) but if you connect to an external G-Sync monitor using DisplayPort it will support it.

 

To add to this, I did like gsync back when I was struggling just to maintain near 60 fps, now while still connected to the same external gsync panel I do not even use gsync at all. I don't see a point at 100+ fps personally, so I don't miss it.

 

It's only a deal breaker if you game all the time, investment does not pays itself off if you don't utilize it.

 

Is there a way to turn on the red usb led without having dragon center installed?

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Install it once, set your computer up as you like, and your settings should stick. You can the uninstall dragon center or just stop it from running at startup.

 

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Do you know if there are any background services or anything else that could stop throttlestop from having proper voltage control?

I remember always fighting the Clevo Control Center even if it wasn't running due to those background services running. So I learned to live without it and never install it.

 

@Porter

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dragon-center-2-0-what-is-the-problem.828561/

So when I enquired about this, no one actually acused dragon center of messing with your voltage controls. Only change it supposedly does is change your bios settings for CPU current delivery which doesnt actually do much to detriment your performance. It seems it cant really definetively be said that Dragon center actually slows your computer in any way.

However if you wanted to do custom voltage curves for your GPU in afterburner, you cant have dragon center running as it takes control of your GPU settings. Frankly if not for this one thing I would love to have it installed.

As far as disabling services etc, I believe Dragon center runs via task scheduler, which you can disable, you can also install autoruns, and disable anything named dragon center. Also check under your Settings app ---> Apps ---> Startup and disable it there if it is there. This should do it.

 

Has anyone updated to 1903? Did Truecolor stop working for anyone else?

 

I installed dragon center but it won't open is there a fix to this?

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