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Did you read my posts? The tests was done with direct bare die. With good silicon, good proper desktop cooling and one who know how to do it. Maybe take a look one more time. And don't compare a locked down BGA chips who don't even run equal clock speed on all 6 cores. + limited by PL1 - Long time Power limits. The core temps differences could be even more equal with unlimited power draw.

This is from binning of 8700K (From the shop I bought my binned [email protected]).



This one from Twekatown overclock guide of 8700K.


This is last time I will say this... It seems people think 0-3C differences between hottest vs. coldest core is the normal. There will always be some differences whatever you try to reach. Even with the best prep work.

 

Again I think EVERYONE is again missing the point of what I said about LM and how it is attracted to itself.

There is a reason I just scored these temps this morning just now. And it isn't because of voodoo magic, either.

Feel free to dislike my posts. But I am a chess master and I know how to analyze things and I will always believe in myself and my hard work, regardless what any of you other people say about me.

 

Looks like my re-paste from HIDEvolution has issues - I will open a support ticket. I am not happy with the $95 LM/Fujipoly thermal upgrade so far, especially if it means I have to send my laptop in and be without it for a week or two.

 

I'm sure you know I know exactly how to use it and whats needed for proper results. I didn't start to use it yesterday. I know all/understand all/everything of all what you said (or want to say)

 

In allot of cases, I have noticed that if you move the heat sink slightly or readjust the tightening of the screws....This can help to even out the temps. You would do this with a very light load to get as close to accurate as possible. And it can take a bit of patience as well.

 

Maybe you don't know it... HIDevolution don't use P95 or Furmark and will never go back to use it.

Test same stress tests as HIDevolution.... Aida64 Stability Stress Tests Guide ala Poopusan If you wonder or don't know, ask HID what ambient temp they test in.

 

That's cool with me - here's AIDA64. Same results, really...just 5 minutes of testing, too. Ambient temp down to 71F here (turned AC up). Same flat, wood desk as previous tests.

EDIT: oops, forgot to check box for GPU...results are even worse now:

 

No, that is the current GS65 Full HD (1920x1080) screen. There is no 144Hz~7ms 4K screen made by anyone including LG IPS, AUO AHVA or Samsung PLS.

 

When doing extreme stress testing, fans should always be on max...we do not think it should be necessary to disclose this. For the most part this is common knowledge, but at the minimum should be common sense.

Auto fans are for normal computing.

If the tests you are showing here are without max fans, please re-do them and report results with max fans.

 

The system comes from you guys configured with "Auto" fans at default. I was playing ARK: Survival Evolved, not extreme stress testing - normal usage on a gaming laptop is to play games?

Anyway, results are better using AIDA64, which yes, is a stress test but I do not have time to play ARK right now. I just wish you guys outlined which fan profile you were using to get your thermal numbers. Seems to be a fair thing to represent/disclose. I have outlined I use "Auto" all along (in addition to other information).

 

Yes, it is delivered with Auto Fans, but the fan settings are user controlled. I already stated when we stress test, which includes gaming and benchmarks as will as AIDA64, we always set the fans to max, which any user should do as well. Auto Fans will not react to temp changes fast enough when pushing it with full load. Anytime you feel the temps are too high, kick the fans into gear at max.

As I said before, this is common knowledge, and at a minimum, common sense. Temps too high, but fans are not set to max, well, that is why those settings are there....use them.

 

Good to know. I never had to game at max fans on my Razer Blade v5 and that wasn’t repasted. I’ll make sure to point out that your numbers are “wind tunnel” edition noise profile so potential buyers know - since you guys don’t seem to want to state it.

 

Only a moron would have anything other than nice things to say about you, or your posts, Brother @Falkentyne, so don't worry about any losers that don't like your posts. I think voodoo is a bad thing to be involved with, but I do believe in miracles.

 

Come on now...I have already stated so multiple times. This is not some hidden secret the we "...don't seem to want to state it."

Why would anyone doing max stress testing run their fans at anything but max? We use Ultimate settings for all gaming tests as well. No cheating, no shortcuts, just full out max testing.

I understand this may be new information for you, but try being fair and take the information in, without trying to suggest we are not reporting accurately.

Still waiting to see your results when tested properly with max fans.

 

It could be a lot of factors, specially ambient temperatures and how confined of a space the laptop is in. Is the back raised up high enough for good air flow etc etc.

I would rule these out first and then start thinking about the paste job being dodgy.

Also high end laptops, do need tweaking/fan profile changing on the user end. Because one profile/setup will never work for everyone. Every user has their own tolerance level.

If someone wants a out of the box plug and play experience, better buy a mac book.

The Razer Blade's have very non aggressive fan profiling because the fans sound obnoxiously high pitched so they rather have the laptop throttle than have people complain about noise.
Most important part however is, 6 cores running at a higher clock speed vs 4 cores running at a low clock speed.
I really fail to see the problem here?

You really need to switch to max fans.

Yeah happened with one of my 6850k's where 2 cores were running 15C hotter than the other 4. NO matter that i tried, the difference was always there, 2 replacements later, the third chip only had a differential of 2-3C at most.

Even on the 8700k in my desktop, there is a core differential of about 2-4C.

Seems to be pretty normal these days.

 

Too late. He already compared it to a Razor. LOL

 

Don't use AVX / FMA3 testing. This brings out absurd loads and can overinflate ANY tiny deficiency in a heatsink including parts cooling VRM's and the EC can even shut your taptop off too.

Open LOCAL.txt in prime95 folder.
Add:

CPUSupportsAVX=0
CPUSupportsFMA3=0

at the top.
If you want to disable the FMA3 power virus (FMA3 is AVX2, btw, fused multiply and add), you can set AVX to 1 and FMA3 to 0 but only do this for OCD testing purposes.

 

I have super obsessive OCD so I've probably done more repastes of the same CPU than anyone who was not doing it as a paid job.
I've seen the behavior of LM.
The "issue" of LM deciding to have sex with itself happens if there is any pressure imbalance when pushing a heatsink down just to get the screws in the hole, even if you do a perfect tiny partial turn criss cross pattern perfectly. The LM will have already partially collected slightly more in another area, resulting in a temp imbalance.

This can be circumvented by using a VERY THIN layer of LM, but doing this can be BAD on direct die to copper because of the partial absorption issue. I noticed this on my first ever attempt at using LM. Applied a razer thin layer. In one week there was none on the CPU =). Gotta use a little extra LM than 'necessary' and also vigorously paint the heatsink too. Getting a flat heatsink (instead of convex) and fully even complete downwards pressure=vomit orgasm of even core temps.

I tried the same experiment on a 290X. Did super thin even layer, 1 week later...card crashed hard in PUBG. Reached 95C. Opened it...there was zero LM on the GPU Just a hardened faint film. It was all hardened on the copper surface. Had to apply more to allow contact over time. Of course the almost nonexistent mounting pressure of the anorexic X-bracket and cancer scrawny 1mm springs didnt help anything and totally inflated the problem to unrealistic levels only AMD's awesome design team was capable of.

LGA under IHS would never have this problem. Solution: use more to compensate on BGA, and break out them foam dams and Mr Fox creative barriers.
Obviously, much higher static pressure would solve all these problems. But you can only get that on LGA.

 

Can anyone share their fan settings on Dragon center? I have mine currently set like this https://imgur.com/8ZFzJAi Shared a link for some reason I can't get the insert image to work.

 

Dang, I didn't know you had 4 "Razer" Pascal laptops 3 RMA and one halfway working? I really need up my reading on NBR, LOOL

 

Stress testing isn't the point - stress testing is what I have been doing all morning to troubleshoot if the LM + Fujipoly wasn't done properly (BTW support hasn't answered by email, yet) - this whole thing started because I was playing ARK: Survival Evolved (normal usage - gaming) and got very high, finger-burning temps. You're saying that I should be running max fans to play a game and "Auto" isn't enough - OK. I don't see how you can bring "common sense" and all of that into this when you are parroting numbers that require a HUGE decibel difference.

I never had to run max fans in any of my previous laptops while playing ARK: Survival Evolved (see laptops below) - but perhaps that's the difference here is it is super thin and light. I just am disappointed that I spent $95 for a thermal upgrade that still requires that I run crazy high fans. The whole point of the upgrade is to mitigate that. Hence why I am highlighting the issue regarding your numbers. But yeah, we 're all supposed to assume to know how you got those results when you use them as an advertisement for people to pay for the upgrades...

I will re-test ARK tonight if I can and post my results with max fans. It's surely going to be fine because AIDA64 CPU/GPU stress test was fine once I ran max fans...because it is MAX FANS.

lol good one - which is why I sold the Blade. It was meant to tide me over until the 11xx series dropped but since they're taking forever...I upgraded a bit early and will go to 11xx when they release Q4 or whatever. I was very nervous about having to get support or do an RMA (bought it used) - I will say it was a great laptop and in light of these thermal issues I kind of miss it!

Pascal history for me:
ASUS ROG G751JY-DH71 (6700HQ, GTX 1070)
MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro (7700HQ, GTX 1060)
Razer Blade v5 (6700HQ, GTX 1060)

 

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I hope other users with this laptop will chime in with some thermal data of their own so we can all compare more than a couple users notes. Mine should be delivering sometime next week and I will post my results as well.

I saw very good results with LM+fujipoly on my GT73VR (applied myself) and hope to see similar temp decreases with the GS65.

 

I used the email you listed in your earlier post:


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Re-sent. I had URLs in there so check your SPAM folders/filters.

 

See the image.

You can't make Vine of only water. It is what it is... Thin and flimsy. There is not much more to pick up if the cooling (fans, grills, pipes and heatsink) does not handle more heat. But be you sure... Many will receive stock units from MSI's factory line who will run hotter, even hotter than the units tested on NBC.net's review. And even hotter it will be when dust starts to builds up.

HeHe

 

Right back atcha with the GS43VR that I used to have...similar temp issues problems, but no issue with stock paste.



https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GS43VR-7RE-i7-7700HQ-GTX-1060-Laptop-Review.237018.0.html

 

Yup...in the Spam box. We have it now and are on it. Please stand by.

 

You forgot one thing... There is a difference between 18mm vs 22.8mm thickness. See +-24% thicker model. + Internal design can be different (NVMe ssd's is right below the keyboard in GS65 - and those run hot). And not forget... All hardware is put below MB and keyboard. What do you think it would be if the thickness have been shrinked 23% even more? As i said before.. it is what it is. Thinner models wont get better cooling.


How do you think this will work if you can increase all power limits (unlocked BGA)? https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-D...rocessor-now-available-in-Spain.303556.0.html

 

Hello everyone.

I'm considering purchasing the MS GS65, however I am most likely looking to buy the version with the GTX 1060.
Both due to a significantly higher price on the 1070-MQ version in my country, but also because I'm hoping it might have better thermals.

I've been searching everywhere online, but I can't find any tests that are showing the thermals for the version with the 1060.

Does anybody here own the 1060 version, and if so, may I please ask you to upload some results on the thermals running various stress tests?
I'm very interested to see if there is a difference between the 1070MQ version and the 1060 version.

Or, maybe one of the resellers present here has a 1060 in stock, that they could test and share the results from?

Any info is appreciated!

 

Based on my experience I would opt for a GTX 1060-based GS65 unless you are OK with using “Cooler Boost” fan profile all the time (extremely loud). I had great experiences with my 1060 thin & light laptops. I’ll probably stick with the 1160 when they release later this year or early 2019...

 

I found that during my gaming with the fans in 'advanced' mode, I set the fan speed % at the hottest level to an acceptable noise level to keep it at 85 degrees which is acceptable to me.

 

I noticed this detail in the Cinebench test that @TheGhastSlayer posted.



The Intel specified thermal throttling temperature for the 8750H is 100°C

https://ark.intel.com/products/134906/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz

To bad MSI decided to scale that back to only 90°C. That explains some of the premature thermal throttling.

 

The throttling start before 90C. More like 85/86C. I mean some Asus models had the limits around 78/80C. Lower values means MSI hope for less RMA. Intel’s own specs ain’t worth a ****y!! Best possible thermal paste is a must.

 

MSI Gamer-Grade Cancer Firmware FTW

 

What is the best way for me to check my temps? Is Firestrike Stress Test a good means?

 

What %'s did you set them on?

 

What would you guys recommend doing to counter temp spikes cause by turbo mode activation. During fire strike benchmark, most of the time cpu stays below 65 degrees but when it turbos it spikes to 91 for a short time because I don’t think the fans are ramping up fast enough. I’ve undervolted it by .150, but fan hysteresis is kicking me

 

Hey bro. I have a video in my YouTube channel that you might find helpful.

[Quick Guide] NVIDIA GPU Undervolting, Overclocking and Overvolting

 

Did some tweaking and I think I have everything under control with better acoustics ("Cooler Boost" is nuts and not for day-to-day use) with a custom fan profile. Just go to "Advanced" in Dragon Center:

CPU

GPU


5 min AIDA64 run (just CPU/MEM stressed, no GPU), and ignore the starting blip, I realized Dragon Center hadn't fully launched. This is undervolted - Core Cache Offset -0.155V and Cache Voltage Offset -0.155V - via Intel XTU (which saves and applies at every reboot, right?)

Max temp 72C and no throttling!


5 min AIDA64 run (just GPU)

Max temp 69C!



In summary: no re-paste issue. The Conductonaut liquid metal and Fujipoly pads installed by HIDEvolution are working very well. Just had to find a sweet spot between the default "Auto" fan profile and the crazy loud "Cooler Boost" one.

 

Exactly @Donald@HIDevolution

 

anyone knows if in Germany or Europe (Euro zone) there is a company like HD Evolution ?

 

When you undervolt in Intel XTU is it persistent upon reboot once successful? When I launch Intel XTU it doesn't let me change the value - it says -0.155V - so my assumption is it is persistent upon reboot..

Also - do any vendors have the GS65 power supply and cable available for $100 shipped? I want a 2nd.

 

How to Lower Temperatures, Stop Throttling, etc with ThrottleStop

 

Thank you - I would prefer to use Intel XTU - so do I need to launch it every reboot or do you change it once and it persists?

 

Run these steps. Worked perfectly when I used XTU

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-under-volt-in-xtu-without-opening-it.802143/

 

I try to find one but till now nothing mate.
In germany there is https://www.notebook.de/ but they don't offer so much services like hidevolution. regarding the the repasting and some other things.
And to be honest if you have the money i would recommend to contact @Donald@HIDevolution to clearify your budget and all other topics if you don't do this so far,.