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It’s on the last tab in the bios.

 

Where are you guys getting silent option for coffee lake

Never mind, the sky lake one works for coffee lake. Will try running 3dmark without dragon center now. Also, has anyone else had trouble running is true color after reinstalling it?
Edit: uninstalling dragon center and loading optimized settings made no difference. If anything, it raised temps because silent fan responds slower than dragon center

You guys know how to reinstall msi true color? Or an alternative? I uninstalled it and now I can’t get it to work after reinstalling it

Well, I guess I’ve settles on having a base firestrike of ~12350, can’t seem to get it higher. I guess a driver or a bios update down the line will fix the problem. My guess is it was the bios update I did on the 1st of June, but I don’t have the original bios to go back too. Managed to get an overclock of 205 MHz core and 413 MHz memory, which brought my graphics firestrike to 15136 and total to 13243. Is an overclock like this safe as long as I don’t raise the voltage?edit: I just noticed that here are points in my afterburner graph where the gpu clock jumps to 1671, 200 MHz past it’s boost clock of 1471. Any idea what this is?

 

I just picked this laptop up at bestbuy.

did a fresh install since the default seemed to have way too much bloatware. Which utilities are important? Gonna install steelseries engine at least
Also it's pretty hilarious how when I run a magnet on the right side it shuts off the computer entirely

 

Yeah, I scared myself when I put my iPad too close to the sleep magenta and I thought the computer had bricked itself when the screen turned off. Enter ally, keep SCM, everyone here will recommend throttlestop, and either keep dragoncenter or install silent option (sky lake version), msi afterburner(probably install this anyway) and keep stelseries key program. Keep true color if you want an easy way to edit screen. Battery optimization is pretty niche, and help esk should be kept, as msi support will ask from it sometimes if you need support

 

Thanks,

I installed my SSD (I swear there should be a special place in hell for people who decide to flip motherboards).
Temps are really toasty. At default Overwatch was getting up to 86 Deg on the GPU. I undervolted to -.140 and still 86 deg so I installed dragon. Set the fans to max coolboost and temps still hovered up to 78 Deg. is this normal?

Also is it safe to totally wipe the partitions on the included sandisk SSD if I installed my samsung 960 evo in SSD and did a fresh install there?

 

Don’t know about that second apart, but 78 degrees with underfoot is normal at regular clocks. I would recommend dropping 6 core clocks to 35 or even 34. If you are using the computer for mostly gaming, it makes virtually no difference, and on a regular fan profile, temps rarely go past 75, and usually stay near 71-73. For the cpu fan curve, I recommend 36 (highest fan with no noise), 70,70(after 70 gets high pitched), 120,130,140. This basically keeps fans around 72%, so pretty quiet with no high pitch. I might be missing a number between 36 and the first 70, if so, put whatever you want there. How’s your firestrike?

Btw, to illustrate the difference, dropping core from 37 to 34 make about a 100 difference in firestrike, and switches temps on a regular fan profile from high 80s to low 70s

 

That sounds like a good idea. Any guide on how to do that? Do I have to unlock the bios? the instructions for doing so are a bit confusing. I uninstalled dragon per other people's recommendations and only have XTU installed and silent option

Also is anyone else experiencing intermittent microstuttering?

 

Microstuttering with Windows and the opening of menus is sadly related to Nvidia Optimus and all the laptops using this technology.

 

Ok, it’s actually much safer than that. I know XTU can do it, but I use throttlestop. Does anyone have a guide on how to use xtu to lower core clock speed? Also, I too have microstutter when opening chrome, it’s an Optimus thing

 

I'm assuming you mean the multipliers at the bottom right? Looks like it's greyed out

 

That does look like it. Try advanced tuning core controls, or see if throttlestop can do it. You might have to toggle something in xtu

 

Hi,

I just received my GS65 - and got my first issue/question

Below the trackpad, do you have some flex in the edge when you push that edge towards the trackpad? Mine creaks there, or maybe it's more something like two hard materials touching each other, don't know how to explain actually :/

 

Mine does not flex or creak, someone else mentioned it was part of the housing from the battery -- and maybe when HID upgraded my memory and did LM repaste, they fixed that... Or I got lucky

 

Hope my photo shows the direction

 

So mine didn't creak until I opened mine. Then the top right creaked a little when I put it back together. I think it has to do with your fitment and then screw pressure on the backing or certain parts shifting.

 

Mine only creaks when lifting it from the front middle, with the lid open. Other than that, it's pretty study. Still planning on fixing mine, but I'm waiting for my 2tb SSD to arrive.

 

If anyone is interested in diving deeper into the bios, you can by booting into the bios, hold down right shift, right control, left alt and press F2. This will show hidden bios options. HIDevolution tech support helped me with this to enable XMP for my system to operate DDR4-2666 correctly.

Be careful with messing around with the rest of the settings though so you don’t brick your machine.

 

which setting in the unlocked bios enables the XMP?

 

Advanced>overclocking>enable overclocking>memory>memory profile>XMP 1

 

I only see custom profile, guess ypu have to stick in some RAMs with XMP loaded for this option to appear

 

Has anyone seen a drop in firestrike scores after updating to latest bios?
Also, what bios settings are good for performance after pressing right control and right slight and left alt and f2? Does optimized defaults affect those settings as well?

 

Reboot and try again. Mine did the same thing.

 

On auto fan I'm getting pretty much 80 Degs on the CPU inoverwatch. I wonder if it's thermal throttling at that temp.
On agressive fan settings I can get it down to 76ish but it's much louder

I've undervolted the gpu a little (wish it was as easy as cpu undervolting) and the cpu -.140

 

The auto fan setting is not very good. Used advanced and set your own speeds.

Here’s how mine are set:
CPU 25, 40, 56, 70, 85, 100
GPU 25, 50, 70, 80, 90, 100

My cpu and gpu temps barely hit the mid 70s but mine is also repasted with LM and my multipliers are set to 37, 36, 35. The loss of a few frames in games are worth the trade off in heat IMO.

 

Disabling aspm in the bios got me an extra 300, but I don’t know if this is safe. Any other things in the advanced bios for performance?

 

Thats more of a question for the seasoned bios tweakers on this forum. I’d be interested in knowing if I can do all the throttlestop tweaks in the bios and eliminate having to use throttlestop

 

Would you mind posting your FIVR?

Another note, I tried to max out the fans using advanced and the highest RPM i got was 6000 but using "cooler boost" the RPM is about 6400. I'm not really sure how this thing works over 100%, seems strange..

 

Ok, don't know who send the shortcut for the advanced bios settings, but thank you. Will look for you nickname and will make it official.
Because, I do not need throttle stop, all can be done in bios. Did lower the cpu freq multipliers max 39 and so on, enabled Intel xtu feature, and used xtu to undervolt cache and CPU by -140. And voila , CPU is max at 80C while under stress test. Nothing else was done on that laptop.

Will probably also repaste after some time but not with LM and will see. I did lost around 5% of fps in WoWs but thats sooo ok. I play only occasionally.

But now it's a quiet laptop.

Man thanks a lot Sam Shumaker

Mickel

 

If you're not going to use LM, I can't say I'd recommend repasting. From what I've seen in this thread and personally, it's not going to help unless you fix the heatsink as well.

 

Actually I was thinking of ordering another heatpipe and modify the heatsink by myself. (Just by adding one more in CPU) Will consider LM but to be honest, as it's too much in liquid form, I am worried it could slip from underneath. I travel a lot for work, and you never know what can happen.

Thanks for you opinion.

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If your advanced enough to add another heat pipe, your probably advanced enough to even out the heat sink, which combined with LM will lead to crazy low temps. Also, does anyone know if disabling aspm in the bios is safe?

 

Good luck and let us know if you succeed. I was considering that as well but the jacket for the heatsink is shaped compact and makes it hard to modify. The ram is in the way on the other side as well.

 

From the picture here you are right.
But there could be still some place behind the cooling tape. Will figure it out once I disassemble it.

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so I got a -..150 stable undervolt going w/ turbo boost short enabled but it's still thermal throttling & power limit throttling on aida 64. Is this normal?

I'm assuming aida pushes it further than normal usage. The XTU stress test displays no thermal throttling

 

If you enable the advanced bios options there is a way to decrease the multiplier for the frequency. I did set up mine by putting down 2 from originally. So 41 to 39 and so on. No thermal throttle so far.

 

Here's the other side

 

so if someone is curious, I just run a stress test just 5 min, but should give you some ideas.
https://imgur.com/iMV3YKX

 

The screw placement of the heatsink makes me wonder if there's just uneven pressure applied to the CPU and making the temps worse. It just doesn't seem like the greatest design. Would there be any way of applying any extra pressure on top of the heatsink directly center over the die? A tiny thermal pad or something in between the heatsink and the case?

 

I thought the same thing. It also doesn't help that right above it is a step these has thermal pads. I can say for certain that there is more pressure on the bottom of the CPU than the top because both times I've opened it, the paste residue is smashed in the bottom half of the heatsink but the top half is less so.

 

Well if you end up trying anything like that, please make a post about any results. I'm tempted to try something like that. If there's some way to know exactly what the clearance is between the heatpipe and the case it would probably help as a starting point to know what might be possible for mods.

 

Has anyone tested the PEG0 aspm setting?

 

that chip above the SSD2 isn't the CPU is it? when I flipped my MB I found it strange the heatpipe didnt go over the center.

 

its weird how reviews for this laptop have such a drastic variance in fire strike scores. some have it around 12200 and others are around 12800. A 600 gap seems a bit large

 

It's not really that large. So many things go into it, including fan profile used, power plan, ambient temperature, concurrent tests, fresh install, etc. It's impossible for reviewers to be consistent when we don't follow the same protocols. On top of that, the CPU is throttling, so one unit is easily going to perform different from another.

 

That's the PCH

 

What menu do you change to set cpu and cache undervolt and cpu multipliers?

 

does the default memory not have an xmp profile? All i have is default and custom

 

So My BIOS has never allowed me to boot from my NVME drive I installed in SSD 2. However somehow it always worked despite booting into SSD1 and flowing into SSD2.

removed all the partitions from SSD1 and now I am unable to boot from SSD2. I even re-installed windows into SSD1 to see if it would allow me to forward it and it doesn't work

The SSD2 NVME drive is a samsung evo 960 with a fresh windows install. Does anyone know how to fix this? I'm unable to get into my windows

I have the latest bios

update: I tried almost everything. Pretty annoying,. Only way I could fix it was to format and clear both drives and fresh install

 

Just in case someone needs the info ... I've just added Samsung 860 1tb, however at fist I've placed in slot 2 and after putting laptop back together it didn't show in BIOS.

It turns out:
slot 2 is just NVMe PCIe
slot 1 is Combo NVMe PCIe / SATA
I needed to swap already installed ssd to slot 2.

Maybe it will save someone from dissembling laptop twice ... It is a pain, it feels super fragile.

I've also re-pasted with thermal grizzly kryonaut. No big difference in temperatures, barely worth the effort. Heatsink is not super flat maybe with some polishing ...

Putting small pieces of plastic electrical tape (3mm x 8mm) on to plastic "hooks" on the front of botom cover stops palm rest from creaking. Uff that was soo annoying.

 

Thanks for the info. By no big difference in temps what do you meant? Even 4-5 degrees are something especially if you get from 90 to 85