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Both slots support NVMe, only one supports sata. As for moving the installation, you can’t copy windows over normally cause it’s always in use. You need to use a program to do it. After that, reboot and go to bios and tell it to boot from the other drive.

 

I installed a samsung 970 evo in second slot, and then i was not able to install windows on it, tried all kinds of things. But ended up switching their place, and stil was not able. So i installed on the m2 it was shipped with. Do you think pc will get "faster" if i copy windows over to the samsung 970 evo?

 

Does anyone have any experience installing Ubuntu as dual boot on the GS65? I'm running into some issue with "grub-efi-amd64-signed". Seems to be some issue with UEFI or something.

 

If windows is running on a sata drive (you bought the Best Buy model) then it will be much faster. If it’s running on a NVMe drive (same type as 970), then the 970 will still be faster, but not much.

 

You have to change a couple settings in bios, you need to run the legacy boot options.

 

Hello,

I have installed dual boot on my GS65, from scratch first Windows 10 next Ubuntu 18.04.
I disabled secure boot (this seems to be your issue)
I attached my settings from BIOS:

 

Do you think the fresh install of Windows is necessary? I've changed all my BIOS settings to match yours, yet I get the same error. Also, how did you make your Ubuntu boot drive? Also, did you do a fresh install of Windows with those BIOS settings?

 

I don't know how it is your SSD partitioned; usually I do create only the primary partitions (actually I have 2 drives: one for linux and a partition from other one for Windows); I do not have experience with anthers kind of partitions; that's I recommend fresh install.
Yes, my fresh install was with those settings.
I recall that I keept the Windows one time, and I install ubuntu on the other drive.
What it is your situation exaclty: did you install Ubuntu and from grub you are able to boot on ubuntu and during boot occurs that error? Or when you are booting from USB do you receive that error?
I created my USB with Rufus in Windows ( also I had some bad experiences with some USB sticks that I'm not able to boot from its, no maters how I create them, so please check also if you are able to boot on other computer)
If you cannot boot you can add as parameter on boot "nomodeset". This will make you able to boot, next you have to switch to command line and install manually nvidia driver.
Depending on yours answer we can proceed further.

 

So I just tried a fresh install of Windows followed by an attempt to install Ubuntu 18.04. The error is still the same. What settings did you use with Rufus? Did you say GPT or MBR for the partitioning scheme? I see in your BIOS settings that you have UEFI with CSM. In the Rufus settings for GPT, it says UEFI (non CSM). Seems to be some conflict there. In any case, I have no issue booting into Ubuntu with a USB drive. The issue comes at the end of the installation. I changed the BIOS setting to turn of SecureBoot, but I still get the error. I feel like the issue is that I am doing this all on one drive. Do you have any advice?

Also, do you mind showing me how your hard drive is partitioned? I am a little confused by your wording. Do you have 2 physical drives? Or 2 partitions in 1 drive? To show the partitioning, just type "disk" into the Windows search function. Thanks so much for helping.

 

What would you guys recommend for the speedshift epp number when plugged in?

 

Hello guys
Anybody tried to install 2x NVME SSDs in this laptop to make NVMe RAID 0 ? with 970 evo or 970 pro ? dis guy did only one ..

 

Hey!

I just wonder if my temps are odd, when playing Fornite the GPU stays around 74-77c with almost full fan speed. I'm using the 1060 model. Does "overclocking"(as in higher clock speed with lower voltage) in MSI afterburner helps lowering the temp? Saw a post here a while ago that hitted around 70c with stresstest. Afaik Fortnite shouldn't be more demanding than a stresstest.

Regards

 

Hey there just got one of these GS65 Best Buy models with the 1070, Anyone have some recommendation on undervolt settings and software to use, Could use any help that can be provided, thanks again.

also if there is a guide for undervolt settings for this machine that'd be helpful as well!

thanks in advance!

 

In Rufus I let everything default. ( I use Rufus only to create bootable USB disk); The BIOS settings are the ones that I use now on my laptop.
I will try to make today evening when I will arrive home a short tutorial about installation; but mainly after install Ubuntu 18.04, yes first reboot it will fail because of graphic card. Wha t I did was that I boot in the console mode (edit in grub the option Ubuntu add at end of line with kernel digit 3; this will force to not start graphic mode). You should add new nvidia ppa:
$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
$ sudo apt update
$ sudo apt install nvidia-390

reboot and everything should be fine.

Please check bellow also the partitions that I have on my drives.

 

In Windows 10, I used ThrottleStop_860 and I undervolt the CPU, Intel GPU by -150mV; in linux I use this script from here:
https://github.com/xdever/linux-intel-undervolt-tool
But be carefully with the undevolt values: should be negatives otherwise you can damage CPU.
In both cases (windows and linux) test the best values for you and after you get stability setup to run at boot the ThrottleStop or the script in linux; otherwise you will not be able to boot.

 

Hi. I've been following this thread/forum, and find the knforminfor very helpful for my 1060 GS65 model. I have undervolted the CPU, cache and discrete GPU. When I set my computer to sleep, it just does a blue screen of death. Anyone that has an idea why?

 

I found 64 or 96 to be work really well, CPU speed sometimes dip into 3.0GHz in some games if use 128.

 

Dial the undervolting back a little. It's probably unstable.

 

64 gets pretty hot, I see it dip to 3.0 at 96, but in those games the frame difference between running at 3.0 and 3.6 is like 3-5 frames

 

Thanks . I'll try it out later.

On that note, has anyone had problems with their keyboards, especially with Caps Lock, W and some of the keys nearby?

 

I got it to work. The issue was how I was originally getting around the boot failure. When I first tried booting from USB, it would have some ACPI exception, so I set "acpi=off" to boot successfully. No idea what that parameter really does. After bypassing this issue with "nomodeset" instead, I was able to successfully install Ubuntu. Had to do that nvidia graphics driver installation stuff that you mentioned. Everything works fine now. Thanks so much for your help.

 

You welcome.

 

What are some max temps during gaming you guys think are good? I’m customizing my fan profile trying to find a sweet spot between temps and noise. Right now it’s about 74C max gpu and 75C max cpu. Most games I limit to 62 fps (don’t see much point going above that unless it’s a competitive, twitch base game. Like, seriously, what’s the point of getting 100 fps in FFIV if your computer sounds like a jet engine?), so already pretty quiet

 

Getting this laptop (1070 Max Q version) with a 500GB 970 EVO, Kryonaut (don't want to take the risk with liquid metal), Fuji pads, and pro screen calibration for $2,280 from GentechPC. Does this seem like a good deal? Anything y'all would change?

 

Hey everyone!

I have been lurking on these forums for some weeks. I finally decided to pull the trigger and bought myself a MSI GS65 with GTX 1070, Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut repaste, Fujipoly thermal pads, Samsung 970 nvme installed from Gentechpc. Since buying the computer, I have been playing with settings to get some better temperatures as this has been one of the biggest problems mentioned in the thread. I have set most things on best performance for gaming and have been running some of the fan profiles mentioned in this thread. However, I am still running into some throttling issues with benchmarks.

On opening my new machine, I had idles around low to mid 40s and moderate use around 50s. Running on stock, the benchmarks such as Aida64, Cinebench R15, Firestrike, and Prime95 my cpu hits well over 90 and throttles on multiple cores.





Using throttlestop, I have set the undervolt to -150mV on the CPU Cache/Core and -100mV on Intel GPU. I have also set the multiplier to 40/39/38. I did not turn off turbo boost, as I hit around 2.2 vs 3.9 mghz and can see some significant performance decrease. I find that the temperature changes are negligible and still see some throttling as seen on these next few screenshots.




Does anyone have any idea why my temperatures are still so high, despite having LM and Fujipoly thermals installed? What other settings should I change around?

 

Fan profile? You'll need 100% to cool that.

 

If your using the auto profile. Conductonaut doesn’t matter. Auto profile is terrible

 

I have them as the following. I went for more for the CPU since 100% wasn't cooling it to the way I wanted. However, this still doesn't help.

 

Can someone else test out their spdif port, and call MSI to report the issue (assuming it isn't working) so MSI can get off their asses and fix the problem. When I called in, I was told there were no known issues with this laptop, which is crazy no one has reported a port straight up not working when the laptop has been out for a few months. And of course hardware reviewers neglect to actually test everything on the laptop.

Whenever I buy a new piece of hardware I test everything on it

 

You have one "hot" core, Core 5. It's dragging down the whole CPU by hitting the thermal throttling point of 90c first, 4c-15c hotter, ahead of the other cores.

To avoid a lengthy re-pasting / adjustment - maybe even a sanding of the heatplate or squishing of thermal pads to help Core 5 cool evenly with the other cores, I'd simply de-tune Core 5 by 2x-3x multiplier lower - if the 8750H allows changing the multiplier. That or a similar detune of Core 5 should bring it in to line with the other cores temperatures without affecting performance much.

You could also just ignore it. It likely isn't affecting the performance much, but to be sure turn on hwinfo64 logging and see how often Core 5 hit's 90c and how long it hangs up there. If it's only briefly there occasionally, then don't worry about it.

Please let us know how it works out, what you do / did to mediate it, and compare performance before / after reducing the multiplier on Core 5 - to see how much it affects performance.

Have fun.

 

Something is wrong with your GPU, the result is very weak, on at stock clock your GPU should have a score like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/27259108?

and if the GPU is oc'd it should look something like this:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15793014

Maybe your GPU is throttling, could you post your GPU temp?
The score is worse than those who are on stock paste...
And your dragon center interface is like that since the start or you installed another version?
Your CPU's score seems fine tho.

 

Hey thanks for the reply. I also noticed that it was mainly core 5 that was thermal throttling after the undervolt. I took a log sample of the CPU core and throttling and I found that there was 211 cells of which only 3 of them reach 88+ degrees and had thermal throttling. So next thing I will try doing is lower the multiplier there instead of repasting / sanding heatplate. I just bought the machine from gentechpc and because I start school soon. I do not want to have to send it back for repasting or exchanging.

Hmm compared to those 2, I am definitely having some lower GPU output.... I think my GPU is throttling but not because of thermals. I have not updated dragon center interface in anyway. This is how it looked like upon opening my computer. The only thing I changed was the fan profile.

Here are the most recent CPU and GPU temps.

 

If it were just 4-5C higher I'd agree, but 15C is extremely bad. From my own testing, if a core is -that- much hotter, there is probably absolutely no thermal paste over that core at all. He doesn't even need to do anything special to repaste. Just remove the old paste, wipe the CPU and heatsink fully clean with Isopropyl Alcohol 91% or stronger purity, then apply a FULL COMPLETE even coat of a good paste (I highly recommend Coolermaster Gel Maker Nano, I would not use Kryonaut on these convex heatsinks!), and then just reapply in an X criss cross pattern or partial screw turns, until all screws are fully tightened on the CPU (and GPU, if it is a unified heatsink). Problem should be greatly improved if not fully fixed.

Also, he can't detune the core. No Intel CPU's allow independent multiplier adjustment on each core. If AMD actually allows that, that might be a reason to jump on that 28 core AMD chip finally. All you can do with Intel is set 1 core, 2 core, 3 core, 4 or 5 or 6 core multipliers (meaning how many cores/threads are being used, but you cannot link a multiplier to a specific core at all. That has never been possible on any Intel chip).

If that can't be done, do a RMA. No user should be using a laptop with a core that is 15C hotter than the other 5 cores.

 

Toslink is not advertised by MSI on the GS65.
Which MSI laptops did you have in the past that had toslink? I believe none of the recent generations have it for a long time.

 

You can't set a particular core to a lower multiplier. Intel CPU's don't allow this.
You can only set multipliers for total "cores/thread" usage, and you can NOT link it to a physical core, either.

Even if you unlocked your Bios (which would allow you to set the total # of active cores) and to disable hyperthreading (this should be available in a stock Bios), so for example, you could set 1 core and 1 thread only, you still have NO control over which physical core will be the one enabled

 

it is advertised right here on MSI's website
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS65-Stealth-Thin-8RF/Specification

"1x Headphone-out (HiFi / SPDIF)"

My GT60, GE62, GE63 all have it, and as far as I know nearly every MSI model has it

Here is more information
https://www.msi.com/faq/nb-255.html

 

SPDIF can be RCA or Toslink. In this case, you may need to use RCA to 3.5mm adapter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/PDIF

 

No MSI laptops support coaxial, why would this one randomly?

Supposing this single model is randomly coaxial instead of optical, it still wouldn't work with that adapter as digital output is totally absent from the drivers

 

What did MSI support say about this?

 

They told me it must be a driver issue and that they would pass the issue along. I'm guessing it might be something they never get to if I'm the only one who has reported it

In my opinion though, I'm pretty sure they removed the hardware and forgot to update the specifications but we'll see

 

I see.... sorry I am new to this. Are there any other solutions for me to get these temperatures down? Comparing to the stock paste of other people, my temperatures are WAY higher than theirs....Others are getting mid to high 70 and low 80s compared to my high 80s under load with thermal throttling.

 

No there is none. You need to repaste or RMA. That's the only way.
Undervolting all cores is not going to fix a very serious problem on your hardware. That's like trying to use Tamiflu to stop HIV from spreading in your body.

GentechPC has had issues with their paste jobs recently. Most people would recommend you buy from HIDevolution for an excellent paste job (they paste well and also specialize in de-lidding LGA retail chips, so they have a lot of experience).

Check above in the thread or one of the other threads in the other MSI main section. Someone did a complete total tear-down of the GS65 for repasting, so you can use that to know exactly how to remove the CPU and GPU heatsink and apply decent thermal paste. I would recommend buying Coolermaster Gel Maker Nano on Amazon, then getting some high purity alcohol and some lint free coffee liners (useful !!) and preparing in advance while you learn how to repaste yourself. Always work on a static free floor and i would personally not wear clothing when repasting. Makes it MUCH harder to damage anything with static when you're completely bare naked, but that's just me.

 

@Phoenix During the migration chrome had to be reinstalled. Mind telling me what adblocker you like?

 

AdBlock Plus

After Installing it, right click on the ABP icon, then choose Options, then enable Block Additional Tracking and Disable Allow some non-intrusive ads

 

Received my GS65 from GentechPC about 10 days ago. They did a fantastic job with the LM paste! I selected Grizzly Conductonaut for both CPU and GPU. The highest CPU temp I've seen under any load is 82. Actual gaming temps are usually upper 70's. This is with a -140 undervolt. That's incredible if you ask me. Obviously I've never once seen any throttling at all.

 

Glad to hear this, I am still concerned about getting LM on mine because I will be traveling with mine a lot. Ken told me they use electrical tape but I wasn't sure if this was just during application or it started on permanently.

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It's permanent. They put tape all around the CPU and GPU. They also use small amounts so it won't leak. I wouldn't worry.

 

Okay, thank you!

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Damn... the difference between my temperature and your's is drastic... would you mind sharing you settings on everything with me?

 

No special settings. Just a -140 undervolt using ThrottleStop. Plus of course the LM repaste