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And Speed-Shift EPP 0 and not 80. My damn internet is almost down. Can’t browse The speed is as glue.

 

Now with EPP at 0

 

Clocks shouldn’t drop below 3.9GHz all cores. Put high performance in Win Power plan as well. You could put 1.150v if this is thermal throttling.

 

Now with 100% CPU (High performance)

 

Then you have your answers. Re-read @Falkentyne’s post

 

So I have no bios tweaks. Which means my -78.1mV undervolt is legit? Lol...


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I said re-read post and compare with what you got http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.815216/page-175#post-10771901

“If you set 1.20v static voltage, disable c-states, and your voltage ranges spikes from 1.20v to 1.32v-1.35v, then IA AC DC is at default and not tweaked by HID“

Your results...

 

Got GS65 with 1060, undervolting (even -80.6mv) with ThrottleStop makes my wi-fi adapter fail(

I get ACPI, NDIS, Netwtw06 errors like "Fatal error: The miniport has detected an internal error" or "8000 - Miniport Halt flow (driver disable)".

Not sure why this happened.

P.S. looks like it was my fualt when I upgrade SSD/memory. Opened laptop again and reconnect wifi adapter.

 

Your CPU is using lower voltage than 1.2v.
So something isn't right. I cant tell what's going on. With c-states disabled and static voltages enabled, you should not be getting a VID of 0.947v.


If you are using STATIC voltages of 1.2v with cstates disabled (so the CPU will NOT downclock and downvolt at idle), the voltage should NEVER drop below 1.2v !

 

You set static voltage of 1.2v but your CPU is showing 1.12v...this should not be happening.

 

Not sure what's going on then

 

Does your GS65 touchpad too starts doing things on it's own after closing the lid?

 

Yep, when I just bought GS65 I wanted to setup it with TeamViewer. There was problems with mouse, looks like touchpad activates by the lid.

 

If after all the tuning of CPU / GPU undervolt, fan curves, external cooling, if your 144 FPS games are starting to overheat after a few hours, consider tuning the game eye candy lower or reduce the FPS limit to shave off just enough CPU / GPU load to stop overheating for the long haul...

144 FPS in a thin laptop, why oh why does it get so hot...

Remember 60 FPS, it was just yesterday, that was tough enough to cool, I remember that too.

Now @ 144 FPS, rendering 2.4x as many frames per second as @ 60 FPS, in some games the CPU and GPU may need some relief. Especially with thin and light laptops, like the GS65.

It's likely that to reign in the temps, even if you've already LM'd and undervolted, that you are going to have to give up some eye candy, or FPS, or both.

Maybe enable OSD and watch CPU core loads / temps and GPU temps in game, and see where it all goes wrong. Start pulling back on the things that don't matter visual wise, but load the CPU / GPU.

That might be enough. Or, if that's too visually unpleasant, try capping the FPS @ 140 FPS, 130 FPS, 120 FPS, or 100 FPS, and see what FPS brings temps under thermal throttling for long sessions. I use RTSS for frame limiting, it comes bundled with MSI Afterburner.

Seriously though, 144 FPS in a thin laptop?

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-0.1v at cpu
max grafic oc in dragon center
repaste with thermal grizzly kryonaut

 

yeah I'm learning that real quick.

Fallout 4 uncapped hit like max recorded 94 degrees(highest temps Ive seen). capped framerate hits like 80.
bf one topped out at 90 degrees but im tweaking that.

Capping things at 60 and tweaking fans more = much less fan rev up, much less heat. Its funny that they tossed the 144hrz screen at this...

 

Greetings everyone,

I have been following this thread so I can setup my laptop to be performant and cool.
While reading it I noticed that few times Dragon Center was mentioned that it sets some bios settings. So I decided to check if it really sets anything to the bios.
From the small time I spend reversing it I think that DC doesn't sets anything by itself to the BIOS. Because I was using Silent Option, I tried to see if it sets something to the BIOS.
It doesn't sets anything to the BIOS, but strangely it has a framework to set many things to the EC mainly. There is some windows process "System Interrupts", which oddly from time utilizes 4-5% of the CPU and holds 1 core to 100%, which prevents Speed Step/Shift to get into business, holding the CPU Frequency at 4GHz. So I decided to cut all the crap that was going in Silent Option and wrote my app that does exactly the same, but only for advanced FAN control. It is designed to be direct replacement of Silent Option, and if you wish you can extract the zip and replace your files in Program Files.
I also made an Advanced tab, that reads WMI variables that are directly tied to the laptop, and with reversing Dragon Center and Silent Option managed to find the purpose of some. But some are complete mystery. If someone is interested can try it and if find some of the variables purposes can PM me to update it.

If someone knows why "System Interrupts" sometimes holds my CPU at 4GHz please share.

Edit:
Here is the link to my version of Silent Option:
https://ufile.io/egsuk

 

I have so many m.2 and 2.5" 512GB SSD's lying around it's criminal. lol

 

Yeah, I cringed when I saw the 120hz screens, doubling frame rate and rendering / frame handling load on CPU/GPU. then 144hz, and all on thin laptops.

It's marketing 101, sell potential, not actuality, and bigger numbers always sell.

These small mass thin laptops heat up pretty quick and hold the heat due to the small fans being unable to expel the heat fast enough.

In reality, most games even with a 1080 aren't going to hit 144hz in Ultra settings anyway. Check the game scores for the 1080 / 1070 / Max-Q 1070 / 1060.

Game tuning is most important after CPU / GPU taming, and in reality dropping FPS isn't necessarily a bad thing in most games.

The competitive games where high FPS counts already disable most of the eye candy to raise FPS, so they are used to it.

Shave off enough CPU / GPU load to drop temps in most games, just enough to drop below thermal throttling during long game play.

 

So are gaming temps spiking to 90 occasionally the norm?

I have now repasted with Noctua, tweaked fan profiles up. -160 mv undervolt.

I get 90 degree spikes in a longer bf1 match... that seem normal?

Benchmark runs in xtu stay in the 70s.....

Also dragon center on advanced seems to really leave the gpu fan very conservative.... should i bump it up like the cpu fans?

 

Hey guys... Having some issues with mine. Camera shows up with nothing but black, and the microphone jack doesn't receive audio from devices I plug in. Can anyone help?

 

Are you sure the camera is on? There's a Fn hotkey that disables it

 

Saw this in reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/8kinhj/comment/e2i78hv?st=JK61DEVW&sh=8f2292f2

“Hey, I know I’m a little late to the party, but I just got my gs65 from HIDEvolution and after downloading throttlestop I saw that they had already applied a -.125 undervolt for me. When I watched a few throttlestop tutorials I saw that in order to keep the undervolt I needed to make a task that runs on startup to open it, so I’m wondering if the undervolt that HIDEvolution added is actually working or not, because it was in effect before I even downloaded throttlestop. And if that’s the case, how did they modify it, and will lowering it further in throttlestop be a bad idea?”


It looks like HID is doing undervolts for customers. This guy got -125mV. That’s actually pretty cool. So I’m very content then with my -78.1mV. They had it at -80.1mV when I got the laptop so I’ll run tests at that setting.


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The benefits of buying taptops from HIDevolution

 

Do you know if they tweak the bios at all? And I’m assuming that the undervolt we get is the max they could achieve?


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They do offcourse. They give you a safe and stable overclock I wouldn't mess with it if everything is running fine. If not, then contact their tech support to see what they can do for you.

 

For the Camera hit Fn+F6

For your audio issue, check your settings first, and if you don't find your solution there, contact MSI Tech Support in your Region, or Online at https://www.msi.com/support/.

 

positive... also doesn't explain why I'm not getting audio through the mic jack.

 

My camera is turned on, but just shows up as black. Thanks for the reply though.

 

I tried cleaning out the keycaps, but one of the brackets broke on the hinge :/. But, it is still functional for now, and i just want to fix it at some point. Anyone have an idea of where to buy them? Have been looking everywhere...

 

I had the same happen. For me it recognized the device but the sound came though way to quiet. Here’s what I did and it appears to help:
1. Uninstall Realtek and Nahimic programs/apps (if either are still on your machine)
2. Uninstall Realtek Audio from Device manager
3. Reboot
4. Right click on the volume indicator near the clock
5. Go to sound options (don’t remember the actual name)
6. Click on Levels tab
7. Set both sliders to max. One is microphone and the other is offset.

Now go to sound in the control panel and see if sound is being picked up.

 

I used to buy my MSI parts directly from MSI. Sometimes they even sent freebies, such as a broken I key I had on my GS60.

 

My GS65 is slated for delivery in a few days, as someone who is knew to PC gaming and PC in general, what all should I do from the start for the best performance and user experience? also what are the benefits of having it tweaked?

 

Thanks for the response, I really appreciate it... When I restarted my PC, it just reinstalled the Realtek drivers. Still not getting any input.

 

For a laptop that cost me $2300, it sure is having a lot of problems.

 

The reason ultimately is nVidia marketing -> 3D Vision -> 3D glasses. Active shutter 3D requires a display refresh for each eye. Humans typically have two eyes so for apparent 60Hz the display needs a refresh rate of 120Hz, and for apparent 72Hz the display needs a refresh rate of 144Hz. And since it's cheaper to standardize on one panel per like MSI did with the GS65 S.T. we get 144Hz in notebooks catering to thinbookitis.

Yes, capping framerates at 72Hz is great for keeping temperatures under control.

 

120Hz/144Hz/240Hz is not about 120 FPS, 144 FPS, or 240 FPS - it's about smoothness. You can easily run a game at a capped 80 FPS with a 1070 Max-Q and with the proper settings have an incredible experience on a thin and light laptop with a high refresh (aka 144Hz) screen. There is no element of marketing shenanigans with a thin and light with a 144Hz screen. This is not the equivalent of the mGPUs with insane amounts of vRAM...this is a real thing real people buy into because it is amazing versus the past 60Hz screens.

 

Which utility do you suggest for setting a cap on framerate?

 

Problem is not about smoothness, but about lack of stuttering and consistent frames. That's important.
But 80 FPS locked is quite horrible. While it may appear smooth, the image will be VERY blurry when turning and blurry images play tricks on the brain that are not exactly pleasant.
That's why blur reduction or ULMB on supported desktop monitors is such a good thing if you can always keep the framerate at the level of the supported refresh rate.

 

Capped is the wrong term - I meant to say configured to deliver around that level of frame output.

Until you have run 120Hz or higher you have no idea what you're missing, and it has nothing to do with matching that FPS, it's about what you can do above 60 FPS. Obviously, as many frames is best but you balance for smoothness.

 

@Falkentyne do you recommend changing the GPU VR settings like the CPU? Loadline, TDC limit, etc.

 

I don't know. I never do.

 

Not really. If there are issues, they're on par with any laptop on the market. Most of the time, it works out of the box.

 

If you're new to PC gaming, the laptop works well out of the box. If you feel that heat might be an issue, download Throttlestop or Intel XTU to undervolt.

 

Ok. Its been a long road, but I think im in a good place!

things done -
-160mv undervolt seems to be sticking (had a blue screen at -180)
Repasted with Noctua NT-H1.
Got my fans right and then used Used throttle stop to set the cores back a smidge (went with a suggested 39/38/37x).

Fallout 4 now rides between 70-75 degrees CPU (I know its not a true test of a program, but those temps rule)

But more importantly BF1 went from high 80's CPU with low 90's spikes to low to mid 80's with an FPS of over 80.

Agents of mayham (a programming mess) also hits a smooth 60 with low/mid 80 degree temps.

Feeling pretty good about those temps. I would guess LM is the only next logical step; JK I'm scared of the conductivity.

Any of the above sound wrong/ abnormal? I think she's a keeper!

 

Frame limiters (display refresh rate - 1) can be used instead of Vsync + Gsync (or Freesync frame limiter), or to further drop FPS below display refresh rate (Gsync / Freesync ok), I use RTSS that is bundled with the MSI Afterburner download - which also pair's up for On Screen Display (OSD) of monitoring - configured in both Afterburner and RTSS.

Most instructional videos are aimed at how to set up OSD, but there are also instructions on how to cap frame rates:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+set+up+rtss

MSI Afterburner
https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
http://download.msi.com/uti_exe//vga/MSIAfterburnerSetup.zip

 

Does anyone how to force the laptop to use the iGPU when I have an external monitor plugged in?

 

I don't think you can. I'm pretty sure the video output connections are dedicated sctricly to either Intel or Nvidia and aren't configurable by Optimus.

 

On my older Optimus GT70 no problem as long as no program wants to use Nvidia or is configured to use it.

 

It seems a reboot at long with plugging it to a USB-C with an adapter did the trick. Now its using the iGPU instead.