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Price and TB3?

 

Lights and dragon logo, we don't want the 6700hq, price, we get a desktop CPU, Thunderbolt 3, possible upgrade to kaby lake CPUs, more storage options and upgrades/raid support. Did we mention it's cheaper?

Aside from that we don't know the performance difference but expect there to be one. Pascal gets bottlenecked with slower CPUs and some game titles are chewing up CPU usage and leads to a larger bottleneck. The desktop CPU will help get rid of that and allow for closer to desktop performance 1:1 ratio.

When we finally get ours delivered you can bet we will test the hell out of it and compare to the 6700hq retail versions.

 

I see but IMHO such new tech hunger people as you are won't stay even with the BB machime more than year
My points:
-TB3 is missing on GT62, indeed, i planned to use it for the external GPU connection possibility, other usage ia not comming up on my mind.1070 will be sufficient for my 1080p playing for years.if no i rather won't invest another 800$ into a bit stronger GPU chip.
-well, i m not sure whether 6700 is so crippled in comparison with 6820 brother
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6820HK-vs-Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Skylake-for-Notebooks-Core-i7-6700HQ-and-i7-6820HK-Review.150864.0.html
Skylake gain over Haswell was minimal...
It's like Golf 2.0 tries to over take 1.9 Golf... It looks funny...

Kaby, ok, native usb 3.1, new ssd tech support, both will be futile with your BBs.
Also my desk 3770k is performing excellently even after the row years. You need to ask yourself, why i am the Freq hunter?Do i really need it?How frequently your CPU is facing the full load?

Price tag is good reason, but Eurocom Tornado 5 is for example not even avail in the God forsaken Europe and Eurocom devices.are so expensive in here that you can directly go for overpriced AWs and MSIs.

I m starting to see some negative posts on the MSI support, still waiting for my unit return, then i will make decision whether should i stay or go back to the desk and give up this notebook hunt madness...


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Does the GT62VR have the ESS Sabre DAC +AMP like the GT73VR? If not, how is sound quality with headphones?

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You summed everything up on that? That's probably the last thing that I'd consider a bonus by getting the barebones.

Just to name a few:

1) Barebones is CPU changeable/upgradeable (even upgrading to Kabylake if you wanted)
2) Barebones is cheaper
3) Barebones is likely up to 50% faster on CPU side
4) Dual raidable PCIe M2 slots (only one slot on the GT62VR)
5) Thunderbolt 3 port (this isn't confirmed but it's been claimed on various sites)
6) Less gamer looking machine (as you pointed out)
7) Z170 chipset motherboard

 

It's not really about being a frequency hunter and being the fastest, for me I love having the flexibility to upgrade the CPU with a cost around $300-350 and keeping the unit that much longer for much less investment than seeking a new unit all together and having to go through the hassle of selling the old.

You're absolutely right, a 6700HQ GT62VR version would last for many years.. And still has the MXM slot so graphics card upgrades are definitely a "possibility" to lengthen the life of the unit. I just figured get best of both worlds and have a swappable CPU for cheaper overall cost than the GT62. If my friend didn't want to buy my GT62VR, I would definitely just be keeping it.

I'm a huge tinkerer so to me the barebones is going to be more fun overall to play with and tweak with a K series CPU. I should have zero desire to buy a new laptop within the next 3 years as long as I can upgrade the GPU and CPU on the barebones. We should also be able to replace the LCD with the upcoming 120hz G-Sync panels too (should being key word).

And outside of that, you might say "Why not Clevo/Sager for a desktop class machine" .. Well so far people say the newer Clevos are loud and it's a known fact these new MSI Barebones and GT62 are among the quietest 15" laptops with 1070s.. so that basically finalizes my decision.

 

This. And the 6700k is far more powerful than the 6700hq. Under 4 core load you're talking a difference of 1.1ghz @ STOCK. That's nothing to sneeze at and will extend the life of this system. Even more of you manage a slight overclock. Simply put the 6700hq has nothing on the 6700k.

 

We will still need a 330watt to get the 6700K to do anything though lol. With the 220watt is where i'm more concerned that it can even hold the factory 4.2ghz turbo. But it seems it will do the 4ghz base clock fine.. We're lucky to have a 4ghz base clock anyways because that's ridiculously fast. I expect the performance to be around the same or slightly faster than my desktop's 4790K. Which is a 4ghz to 4.4ghz turbo stock. But desktops don't go down to "base clocks" ever.. so I don't understand the point of a base clock on a desktop CPU these days when there's adequate cooling and power to allow for a 24/7 turbo clock.

 

Does the 6700HQ have any turbo bins like older core i7s or is it completely locked at 3.1ghz at 4 cores?

I also asked around and aside from Eurocom, it seems not many, if any, will be handling the barebones with 6700K? I await your comments when you get yours Talon, as I don't particularly like the cooling system for the CPU on the GT62. It works great with 6700HQ because it is a low power core i7 and consumes and runs lower than my 4720HQ. If I underclock my haswell and undervolt it, my temps are identical or very similar to GT62, but when I use my full power, obviously the distance of the heatpipes show the weakness in it.

 

I was curious, a bit, i made the Eurocom Tornado quote for identical MSI machine i bought.
6820hk+16GBram+1070+250nvme+1tbhdd+w10home+2y warranty = 1915 Euros w/o VAT -180 for GTX970 i sold

Eurocom Tornado F5 quote with the same components, shipping to EU = 2259 euros + 20% at custom office...

Goldmax.cz is Eurocom EU partner, they have barely heard anything about F5.

Be happy that you have barebone shops at hand in your parts guys...

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The wait is killing me for @Talon and @Diversion for you to get your laptops. I want to see if that 6700K causes any additional heat/noise compared to the 6700HQ units you've already owned.

 

Well we don't have the 6820hk but having the more powerful 6700k is a nicer option.

I got out the door at $1562 plus shipping.

Already have 16gb hyperx 2400mhz On hand, already have a Intel 8260 and got a cheap oem win 10 pro key. I got a 500gb Samsung 850 Pro.

In all I will have spent around $1775.

The cheapest GT62 with 1070 is $1699.

I did spend a bit more but I have the parts I want and will have a higher performing system.

 

Soon. I was emailed back this morning and told my system is in production and will ship today or tomorrow at the latest.

 

Completely locked, although it looks like I can change the slider up to x34 on the ratios but every load test it won't go over 3.1ghz when all 4 cores are loaded up. My previous 4870HQ would go up to 3.9ghz I believe.. it's been a while.

 

Lol, tell me about it! I'm still struggling to understand what takes them so long.. I just don't see too many people buying the MSI barebones to the point where it needs to take this long time to assemble and ship. But whatever, must have patience!

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that they are telling a lot of people this... My notebook was supposed to be ready last Friday, then it became early this week, now it's today or tomorrow. I'm not in too much of a hurry since I still have my M5 Pro, but I wonder what is causing so many delays.

 

I think it's because Eurocom is such a small company. Even if only 100 people placed an order, it probably took some poor guy a couple of hours just undoing all of the packaging. The thing that is strange to me is how they keep running into delays. If they are able to build 20 notebooks a day, they should be able to give a fairly accurate answer to when person X's system will be ready based on his/her position in the queue. However, they seem to keep moving the expected ready date for some reason.

 

Does Eurocom have any additional charge for US customers (tax/shipping/etc)?

 

European sellers:
http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Fangbook_4_XTREME_G-SYNC_1060/
http://laptopparts4less.frl/15.6-in...r/MSI-MS-16L1-game-Pascal-laptop-samenstellen
Thougth, don't know how good/bad they are

 

Only shipping.. No tax though.

 

I bet it's because MSI hasn't released or shipped all of the orders (if any yet) to Eurocom.. Eurocom will keep telling it's customers when things "should" ship to keep us from canceling our orders.. They want our money.. I imagine myself as a reseller that has plenty of time on my hands to build laptops and sell them.. But the issue is probably getting Sager/Clevo/MSI/whoever else you use to release and ship the barebones to me so I can build it for my customer. It would cause confidence issues with my customers when I keep telling them some "estimated" ship date and or if I just was honest and said "Well Sager hasn't even shipped me the damn kit yet!"..

Whereas a bigger shop like XoticPC probably orders some barebones kits of all models just to have on hand and get shipped out within 3 days or so after assembly and a test run.

Paging @woodzstack and maybe he has some answers on how Eurocom does business?

 

Cool, thank you. The Eurocom model looks more enticing assuming that it isn't a text mistake that it has HDMI 2.0 and Thunderbolt 3 support on that model. Looking forward to seeing what you find on that.

 

Nobody has confirmed it has Thunderbolt 3 yet. . But the HDMI 2.0 I confirmed myself on the GT62VR so i'm sure that carried over to the Barebones.

 

Thaanks, pity this config requires another 400E at least to be in the equivalent GT62VR default shape. It's i5 only, half of RAM, only 1 ssd drive..
But thanks for the link anyhow.

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Wow now that we're all talking about this it sort of makes sense. When I first was going to cancel they told me my unit was already in production queue and that my parts were "pulled". Essentially saying I can't cancel without that penalty they attach to the order.

Now here again I feel I'm being strung along as they hope they get the parts in. In all honesty yes I would 100% rather know the truth so I can weigh my options. If I keep getting told it's going to ship in a couple days I'm eventually going to get pissed off and spread my anger about their company. Not only that never consider a purchase from them again.

If my unit doesn't ship by Friday I think I'm going to ask for a 100% refund and go back to the drawing board as I don't currently have a laptop on hand anymore. If they don't offer it I'll use PayPal to strong arm them as they are failing to ship the item in times quoted.

They have our money and it's time to either stop lying or offer us the truth and a refund or offer a discount or upgraded shipping.

 

It's unfortunate because my previous experience with Eurocom was quite pleasant. My M5 Pro was shipped only 2 days after I placed the order, and received within a week. I had no issues whatsoever with the notebook.

Now, it has been over 3 weeks since I placed my order for the F5 Tornado, and from the looks of things, might be hitting 4 weeks

 

Talon, take deep in,blow slowly out.Relax.it s for your own sake.i also hate waiting.Just believe that's worth to wait for a good things.The good stuff never appears instantly in our lives and sometimes we are able to recognize it only retrospectively

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It's less the wait and more that we feel we're being lied to. Like I said I would rather know the truth. I'm out of town a lot and have been trying to time being home for the signature etc based on what they told me for shipment. I just want to be told of it's actually in stock and being built or not.

It's entirely possible they're not lying and the laptops are being assembled, but as keftih pointed out he's been being told the same story for longer.

I'll at least give them till Friday before I call them and find out what's actually happening.

 

Absolutely every business is about half-truths, lies and promises.(yes even politics are businessmen) .
You won't earn a penny in this world if you are straight and saying truth only the truth, God help me to do so.
If you do business with your own product you believe in, that's different story.
I feel you and hating people who do use deception as their work tool to gain...
Try to be as polite as you can to your contact person...even they are people. We all hate angry and anxious customers.We serve them but... In different way than the well behaving polite people.

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Where do you found a good price for a GT62 default shape? All I found are more expensive.

 

Well they shouldn't charge a restock fee if they tell someone it will be shipped one day and then it's still not shipped a week later.. especially when the original item is still in possession with Eurocom what exactly are they restocking? Lol.

Anyways we're all trying to be patient but the silent treatment on status from Eurocom isn't helping.. I'm with Talon we just want to know the truth.. if the MSI barebones hasn't even reached Eurocom just let us know.

 

I every case i believe that you will get your machines ASAP.
Also wondering how the Cooling system will handle 6700k.

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That's the million dollar question

 

Welps, I got my shipment confirmation email! Says delivery should be on Monday but probably more like next Tuesday via Fedex. @Talon how about you?

Yay it's a NO LOGO model!

G-SYNC; NO LOGO Tornado 5; 15.6" FHD 1,595.00 1,595.00

MATTE IPS; 230W\

Edit: These are shipping out of NY btw.

 

There's a person in this thread that has a 6700K model version already and he proved over 10 minutes with Prime95 it holds 4ghz the entire time hitting mid to high 80s (which is actually still really good for a laptop).

 

Congrats!

 

Nice!!! But we both ordered before you and yet still haven't gotten an order shipment ourselves??

Still exciting to see they are shipping.

 

Yeah that's why I was hoping you got your shipment confirmation as well.. What the heck? That makes no sense.. Who was your sales rep?

 

Keep us posted buddy
I am curious too about it even though I'm currently using an athlon64 x2 mobile until I'm done building my desktop

 

Garry. Did you customize anything in your order? I removed the HD and Wifi card was cheapest option as I have an SSD and 8260 to install upon getting it.

What shipment option did you do? Regular ground?

 

Garry was mine as well.. I removed all HDDs and actually upgraded the Wifi to the Intel 8260. Regular ground, nothing special or rush on shipping. Here's my order:

1 1 0 NB-MS16L1-156F G-SYNC; NO LOGO Tornado 5; 15.6" FHD 1,595.00 1,595.00

MATTE IPS; 230W

EA

--> K1609N0031889 <--

1 1 0 VG-GTX1070-MX3B G-SYNC; GTX 1070; 8GB DDR5; N17E-G2; 0.00 0.00

MXM3.0b; TORNADO F5

EA

1 1 0 CP-BX80662I76700K 4GHz Intel Core i7-6700K;4C/8T;8MB 0.00 0.00

L3;14nm;LGA1151

EA

1 1 0 RA-8G260P2400D4C15 8GB ;DDR4-2400; SODIMM; 0.00 0.00

1.2V;CT8G4SFD824A / MICRON

EA

FREE UPGRADE FROM DDR4-2133 TO

DDR4-2400

1 1 0 PC-8260NGWMG M.2 2230; Intel AC-8260; Bluetooth 0.00 0.00

4.0+802.11ac; 8260.NGWMG

EA

1 1 0 WA-1YEAR-FDEPO 1year Warranty Factory Depot 0.00 ea 0.00

--> K1609N0031889 <--

MC0000 SHIPPING & HANDLING - - prepaid 27.00

1 1 0 SE-WITHOUT-OS **** WITHOUT O/S **** 0.00 EA 0.00

MC0000 ***** WITHOUT HDD ***** 0.00


Not really sure why I would get a shipment confirmation before you guys :/ Not like I have any connection to Eurocom or some kind of hook up there.. In fact, if anything, Garry probably hates me because I asked so many questions before I purchased.

 

So basically same order as mine. Regardless I'm happy to see they are shipping them out! Slightly peeved because this means I won't see mine before I head back to work for another trip/won't be there to sign for it.

Maybe they're just taking extra care of mine and giving it the white globe treatment. Haha.

 

Yeah mine will show up in pieces :/ Lol. Well the shipping only says "Shipping label created" so I can't say it's been shipped.. Could be DAYS before it gets shipped.

 

Looks like they gave you 1-5 days ground shipping, so around middle of next week at the latest?

I'm curious to see how the 230W AC adapter holds up. I ended up upgrading the PSU in my system to 330W because I'm paranoid about the power draw (never had desktop parts in a notebook before), and that's even after downgrading to an i5-6600K...

 

Tracking says Monday actually. I'm down in Florida though, so it's more of a direct shot from NY.

Yeah I plan on getting a 330watt for the home and keeping the 230watter in my backpack when I travel. And i'll have OC profiles when at home and just use stock or a undervolted profile when I travel.

 

@Diversion @Talon - Does the GT62VR have the ESS Sabre DAC + AMP ? Also, how is the sound quality through headphones?

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It does not. I've had both the GS63 and GT62 and the GS63 has the ESS Sabre DAC.. Sounds much better on the GS63.. it's just a normal standard issue DAC in the GT62 unfortunately..

 

Dang. Was hoping MSI would have included it in the GT62VR.

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There are quite a few things i'm baffled that MSI didn't add to each laptop.. Not sure why.. There's no DAC in the GT62VR but there's no G-sync on the GS63.. I'd rather have G-sync vs the DAC. I believe only the GS40, 63 and 73 got the DAC..

 

TBH, I'd rather have both . But yeah, G-Sync over the DAC is a fair trade. How is the headphone output quality? Good? Bad? Ugly? Or somewhere in between?

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