***The Official MSI GT80S Titan (w/desktop 980 GPU's) Owner's Lounge***

Grats on the new PC I love mine (would love more if the power where not gimped!) You will love it!! As far as your questions i agree With HMscott just reading through those post will give you everything you need to know.

Welcome to the CLUB!!!

 

Thanks guys for the warm welcome! First question whats the deal with updating the Bios? I went to the MSI website and it offered Bios updates but I have no idea what kind of bios I have and know enough to know not to update anything if I don't know what it is. My last laptop was a Sony VAIO VGN AW350J (also a 18.5" beast) and all the updates were automatic and the Sony website allowed me to pick my model and I could download all the driver updates for my model there with no chance for mistakes. Needles to say I didn't need to know about Bios updates so a brief explanation please.

And one more thing, I'm designing a cooling pad to help cool this beast and hopfully never have to use the turbo if all goes well. When it's done I'll post it and I'm sure you will be impressed

 

BIOS is firmware. Firmware is like software, but it's not at an OS (operating system, e.g. Windows) level. Basically, it's "permanent" software programmed into a read-only chip. Typically, if you don't have any issues that could be BIOS related, there's little to no need to update it.

 

It's important to note however, that with the Skylake CPU based computers, you will want to keep up with BIOS / EC / firmware updates until Intel finally chases down the bugs affecting the new Skylake CPU's, and MSI releases firmware with the fix(es).

Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...izes-up-pcs-running-complex-workloads.786708/

How to test your PC for the Skylake bug
Intel confirms there's a bug that could crash Skylake CPUs, under specific and somewhat uncommon circumstances.
Gordon Mah Ung | Executive Editor, PCWorld Jan 11, 2016 1:19 PM
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3021023/hardware/how-to-test-your-pc-for-the-skylake-bug.html

Spoiler

"The bug initially was reported only with the Core i7-6700K desktop CPU with Hyper-Threading enabled, but Intel’s confirmation seems to indicates it impacts more CPUs in the lineup."

" The bug has apparently been stewing for weeks on forums at hardwareluxx.de and then Mersenne.org which created the software, Prime95, that is used to induce the bug. Prime95 is used to find prime numbers and is also very popular with performance and the overclocking community as a stress and performance test."

"Besides the community post, Intel also confirmed to PCWorld the existence of the bug but placed an emphasis on the word “ might” because there’s no guarantee you’ll hit the bug.

“Under some complex workload conditions, like those encountered when running applications such as Prime95, the processor may hang or cause unpredictable system behavior. Intel has released a fix that resolves the issue and we are working with external business partners to deploy this fix through BIOS updates,” an Intel official told PCWorld."

The article then goes into some detail on how to set up and test for the bug.

And, another related, but perhaps different bug being tracked by Intel

Skylake hard locks when IDLE / CStates ON
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/skylake-hard-locks-when-idle-cstates-on.786966/

New Skylake Build Randomly Freezing/Crashing - Page 17
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2830772/skylake-build-randomly-freezing-crashing/page-17.html

Spoiler

"Ouch.... sensitive subject.

Here some posts which I think you should read...

'So let me be clear for the last time: C-states are broken on the Skylake system, did mention that serveral times in several posts. Is there a solution on this moment NO!' - "NOW I have not a hint of freezing so far."

'A lot of people turning c-states off and go for a offset mode voltage with the cpu, in combination with Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology aka EIST (downclock) and C1E state, which is functional and takes care of the Cpu downvolt, you can have really nice results on powersaving.' - "the system might consume 2-3 (two-three) watts"

So let me be clear... I present no solution, but a workaround on the fact that c-states are not functional on a Skylake cpu!
I claimed warranty on the cpu and motherboard and contacted Intel/motherboard supplier, because it can be both in this case.
When it is clear what's going on.... I always can rma one of both!"

Reply:

"You still suggest wasting time on loosing money. I thought we had agreed on not giving that advice anymore.

Gearhead: RMA your CPU. It is clearly not ok. 3 people in this thread did this and 3 people were successful doing so."

But for now.... I use the system day and night with zero problems. Uptime 6 days, 19 hours & 19 minutes"

Skylake hard locks seeminly when IDLE / CStates ON
https://communities.intel.com/thread/97358
(intel site just borked itself, refresh gives same garbage, check later)

 

Hi got any MSI REP here?i from Malaysia and already order and pay for MSI GT80s 6QF Since the begining of Last month but still dont have the laptop yet..i ask tech armory of malaysia to order it and they already pay deposit to MSI Taiwan i guess
The problem is before they say before CNY i get it but then got delay say after chinese new year..then tech armory call MSI they staff say the laptop currently at custom but tech armory dont believe it say unreliable..then He call/email the MSI manager they say MAC the laptop will i get it...
what the hell is this?tech armory say made them look like cheater...
So now i want to know what the problem on their side actually..more than 1 month i already order that MSI and already pay full price for that lapotp but still dont have the item yet..

 

The MSI rep here is US-based and they won't be able to provide much info on this since each branch operates independently.

 

IMO ask tech armory for a tracking number, if they cannot give you one demand a refund.

 

Webcam drivers? I'm not sure wtf that is on the front page but my webcam isnt even being recognized. no its not a hidden device

 

There's no such driver available.
According to the user's manual, you will need to press Fn + F6 to toggle on the webcam, if you press it again then it toggles off.
Once toggled on, use Skype to verify webcam connectivity.

 

ahh so im a moron. Makes sense.

 

Hey guys. So has anyone ran RotTR on their system and can you inform me of SLI performance?

 

I would try it but I just paid some random person $24 to take my copy so I can't test it unfortunately. It was an Ebay sale gone bad, after giving me positive feedback, the buyer turned it in as fraud after they used the code and got their money back, left me with the ebay sale fee, and a $20 fee from paypal for the charge back. I'm always amazed how greedy some folks are.

 

I am about to buy a titan but I'm not sure who I should go with should I buy from gentech or xotic pc?

 

You can also buy from places like B&H Photo and Video:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1207482-REG/msi_gt80s_titan_sli_072_gt80s_titan_sli_18_4.html

newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...r=BESTMATCH&Description=gt80s&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Fry's:
http://frys.com/product/8365147?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Bestbuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...t=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

Google:
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/11680494846447806804?sclient=psy-ab&q=gt80s sli&oq=gt80s sli&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.114733917,d.cGc&biw=992&bih=473&dpr=1.94&tch=1&ech=1&psi=zqbJVtaVAcKWjwONiYnoCw.1456056017095.3&prds=hsecnline,paur:ClkAsKraX8_vwf8UT9hkGbooVjjKjC2HuTHj1gqLB6S1Dlr7ZnEzG0r3PuTjSXM5wU7dhDv9La8M3vczKq-vZuUjjjWD1fi73XR-cwLIOYvxHZkIQRuAAkPCWBIZAFPVH71r8HW8hdv0Ti76btoZ7y59Apa-NQ,scoring:tp&ved=0ahUKEwin866054jLAhUXzmMKHULqAmIQ2SsITA&ei=36bJVueHLpecjwPC1IuQBg

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...XzmMKHULqAmIQ2SsIXw&ei=36bJVueHLpecjwPC1IuQBg

Buying retail has the advantage of going in and paying for it and getting it the same day, or next day air shipping. You can work with people you get to know locally if you have a store in your area too

My local Fry's will do special orders, if you pay in advance, and after 20+ years of doing business with them, I know they are going to follow through.

 

I recommend HIDevolution. Email them saying you are an NBR member they might even give you a small discount.

They have the best warranty and after sales service I have ever experienced:

See:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

Here are the models:

http://www.hidevolution.com/msi-gt8...li-970m-16g-ram-256g-raid-ssd-18-4.html?ref=1

http://www.hidevolution.com/msi-gt8...desktop-32g-ram-512g-raid-ssd-18-4.html?ref=1

http://www.hidevolution.com/msi-gt8...li-980m-24g-ram-256g-raid-ssd-18-4.html?ref=1

PS: If anything goes wrong with your system that it needs to be shipped back for repair, they will pay for shipping even if you are an international customer. If only a small part needs changing, then they send you that small part to replace it yourself if you wish and then you send them the old one back so you don't have to be without your laptop

 

Thanks for the info but I have had tons of problems with in store buys so I'm a but skeptical about buying such a machine in store and get burned again. That's why I'm turning to online retailers like xoticpc and gentech

 

I got mine from @GenTechPC , I have been quite pleased with them they have been very quick to respond and answered every question I have had. I would buy from them again in 3 or 4 years when my new one is a bit out dated.

 

Got mine from GentechPC, and couldn't be happier. You will find many positive experiences from most users around. If you have any particular questions for resellers though, you might want to contact them directly

 

Thanks alot for all the help guys

 

Whatever you do, make sure you fully explore all the possibilities that can occur, and do your best to cover yourself and protect your investment.

What you experienced negatively about retail purchasing can be magnified many times through other methods, and are now as new to you as the retail purchasing model was before you started down that path.

There is something to be said about working with the evils you know, vs. starting out on another virgin path of discovery where the grass isn't any greener.

Once you are up close and seeing it in person clearly for the first time it may look exactly the same as you remember the other pasture.



The people on the other side have lived in that pasture a long long long time, and they know how to make it work for them. You are just the fodder for another day.

 

Hello again. I have another problem with my notebook. Buttons TAB, ESC, Windows, Scroll Lock stop working today. ESC and TAB work only at task manager. On the laptop nothing scattered or spilled. Maybe someone have the same problem with keyboards?

 

Update: Buttons work now but WTF is that, I don't know.

 

That has never happened to me, but the first thing I would suspect is you accidentally switched to an alternate "Steelseries Engine 3" keyboard config or that program was confused.

First I would reboot and see if it goes away, if not I would look at that program for an alternate config that keeps getting enabled by a shortcut or something. Lastly I would try uninstalling Steelseries and see if the problem continues.

I do have an alternate config, but the only change I made was having the notebook startup with no keyboard lights as I have it connected to external everything most of the time and don't want those bright lights on every boot.

 

Yes, I try reboot system several times but problem wasn't resolved, and I don't know what is resolved keyboards problem, it just start working. Maybe lag or something like that, but I think it's not normal lag for notebook with price 4150$.

 

I have a question are both the fan supposed be working all the time because one of my fans is working only, unless I press the override button I think I have a problem with cooling.

 

All of the fans are supposed to activate when there's a need.
Right side = GPU, Left side = CPU.
CPU fan (left) is less likely to spin than GPU fan (right side).
Which side of fan isn't working for you?

 

Left side and it gets pretty hot on the left side

 

Are you sure about that? I thought the CPU had a pipe going to each side, and each fan cooled one GPU as well. I really like the balanced approach so both fans have equal duty under max loads.

***The Official MSI GT80S Titan (w/desktop 980 GPU's) Owner's Lounge***

 

I'm not sure but I believe when I first got the laptop both fans were working the whole time and now one of them has stopped. What can I do to check if there is a problem? Should I contact MSI?

 

Have you updated the BIOS & EC firmware since they could have revised the fan table?

 

A really quick test would be to load up something demanding of both GPU's, like a game that works well with SLI and view (and maybe log) your temps with HWInfo64. If one fan is not working it will become apparent really quick. My GPU's run about 10 deg C apart. If you start playing a game and one is running really hot or has low usage(throttling from heat) then there could be a problem with a fan not working.

*I just played 30 mins of Dying Light, with every setting cranked at 1080 and 144hz display and my CPU maxed at 72, and GPU's were 72 and 58. Most of the time it ran around 120 or so FPS so it was working as hard as it could except for the few times it hits 144. This thing runs cool as far as I'm concerned (compared to the last few dozen notebooks I've owned).

 

I have exactly the same but I don't think this is a problem. My CPU have more higher temperature then GPU, so when I work or play games, one cooler start working hard(like you press 100% fun button) and I think this is normal, because you don't need fan your GPU if hot is only CPU.

 

Killer network die again, try reboot system and this not help. I don't know why this soft is broken after 2-3 days of use.

 

It looks like they found and fixed that bug in this latest release of Feb 16th:

Version 1.1.57.1686 Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, Updated On Tuesday, 16 February 2016
http://www.killernetworking.com/support/driver-downloads/item/killer-suite

CHANGES

• Killer Network Manager:
  • Relocated and changed color of the Wifi Manager tile.
  • Relocated the Performance tile.
  • Fixed issue where Network Manager could appear without drawing the Main Menu/Tiles.
  • Improved Speedtest.exe compatibility with some Asian servers.
• Killer Ethernet
  • Updated drivers to address numerous crashes as reported from end user/Microsoft feedback.
• Killer Bandwidth Control
  • Added additional adapter support.

 

I have this 1.1.57.1686 version, you can see this at screenshot. Another problem that I have when killer network was work, its a speedtest, program close with error when I try test speed.

 

Then it's likely they broke something in that same section while fixing the problem mentioned in the Changes section.

You can report that the fix isn't done to Killer Support,and help get it fixed in a subsequent release.
http://www.killernetworking.com/about/contact

For now roll back to another version before they started working on it. The main fix everyone was interested in for Windows 10 was the Wifi disconnects, which came in at version 1.1.57.1679
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...eshooting-thread.787182/page-13#post-10186860

Are you running Windows 10? I haven't seen any of the problems you are mentioning on Windows 8.1, and I was already running version 1.1.57.1686.

If you can roll back to Windows 8.1, you will find better stability there over the next year as vendors get things working on Windows 10 - while MS keeps changing things underneath vendors are having to roll out rapid updates to keep up.

Microsoft offers a downgrade license for Windows 10 Pro, you can run Windows 8.1 Pro or Windows 7 Professional.

Understanding downgrade rights
https://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

If your GT80S came with Windows 10, but not Pro, call Microsoft and ask if upgrading to Pro OEM ($50-$99) will grant you the ability to downgrade to Windows 7 Professional/Windows 8.1 Pro.

 

Heads up, complaints about new Windows 10 KB3140743
breaking Sleep mode, MSI GT72S 980:

The Sky's the limit..... The New SkyLake GT72S, with desktop 980 GPU!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-desktop-980-gpu.782229/page-17#post-10210775

I thought Sleep/Hibernation was already broken in Windows 10...

Reports are the option for Sleep is now missing, perhaps Microsoft is acknowledging the problem with Sleep/Hibernation, and is removing the function from Windows 10 until they can get it fixed?

 

With previous version of windows, my wi-fi disconnected, so better stay at this version and wait for fix. About downgrade from windows 10(i have home version) to windows 8, that's not a way, cuz windows 10 is better for me.

 

From the bug description, it's only a bug with displaying the Tiles in the Manager interface, not driver or network function. You are still on the network and connected?

What does Windows 10 have that Windows 8.1 doesn't?

The will be continuing bugs on Windows 10, and Windows 8.1 has been stable for a long time now, what is worth putting up with the continuing stream of Windows 10 updates fixes/bugs?

If you are going to stick it on on Windows 10, you might help the fixes along by reporting the Tile bug isn't fixed, and you are getting Speedtest app crashes as well:
http://www.killernetworking.com/about/contact

 

Yes, network working and if I close killer, network continue work but applications priority not work, I think.

 

Everything should keep working the way you last set it all, it's only the Network Manager Interface in the Main Window that's broken - you can't get to those sections/Tiles that don't show up.

Have you tried all 3 ways of starting the Network Manager Main Window? Maybe 1 of them will refresh the tiles correctly.

Start as App from Start Menu, type Manager, and Killer Network Manager should show up, left click that listing to start.

Right click on systray icon, select Show to start.

Double click on systray icon to start.

Maybe one of those entry points will work

Update, you could also try starting from the Metro Tile for Killer Network Manager.

If you go into 1 of the tiles showing, and then Back, will it redraw all / more / different tiles/

 

Yes, I try 3 ways

 

You might try dropping 1 version back to see if the Tiles show up again, unless you are fine leaving settings as is until a future update gets the Interface working again.

You should actually be fine not changing any settings. You only need to run the Speedtest once for each new network, as it's recorded/saved by network.

When you report the bug to Killer, ask them to send you an email when a version update fixing the problem is going to release, and offer to help debug it with them. That might get you a newer / interim release before an update gets posted to the download area.

 

I can't run speedtest at both version. Report about bug at official site, wait for response.

 

It's a little late now, but I should have suggested you drop at least 2-3 versions back, as this current version is a bug fix (that didn't work) for something that existed before it - likely a bug added in the release just before this one.

 

This is precisely why I haven't updated mine since I fixed my Win 10 disconnects with version 1677. It works perfectly without a single disconnect so I see no reason to mess with it

 

According to Rivet, it's 1679 that fixed the disconnects, not 1677. If you stopped at 1677, and it works for you, shhhh.

" @Firebat246,

I'm a support agent for Rivet Networks, the company behind the Killer Networking products. If your still seeing this issue, please try to download the latest driver from Killernetworking.com . We identified an issue with the 1535 driver in Win10 in certain platforms causing wireless to disconnect. This was fixed in the latest release (1.1.57.1679).

Regards,
Thomas
Killer_Support"
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...eshooting-thread.787182/page-13#post-10186860 "

 

Yeah I saw that update just after I updated to 1677, but since it fixed my issues I saw no reason to chance updating yet again. 1677 had been rock solid for me.

 

Sorry if this has been covered in this thread. Is there any place I can buy the GTX 980 mxm cards alone (not with the laptop)? Also, have we confirmed the power draw of the cards? I'm in the process of working out the physical and electrical logistics of installing two in my Clevo p377sm-a.

 

You can get them from here for your Clevo:

http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30303

Click on the dropdown at the top where it says "Laptop Model" to select your model and the two graphics cards that pertain to it.