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    MSI GE72 spotted

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by DataShell, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. DataShell

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    So I came across this while on the MSI website. It's the only configuration listed of the GE72 as of right now. It's equipped with a GTX 960M (which is just an overclocked 860M). I expect to see 965M and 970M variants in the next couple days.
    Thoughts?

    EDIT: There is now also a listing for a 965M variant. Check it out here.
     
    DataShell, Mar 12, 2015
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    SystemXS Notebook Consultant

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    The 965m model has been up on Xotic for a bit now, I'm sure other resellers have had it listed as well :)
     
    SystemXS, Mar 12, 2015
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    GE72 2QD (GTX960m) GPU-Z
    [​IMG]
     
    zizimonzter, Mar 12, 2015
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  4. Meaker@Sager

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    The 960m is going to have a lot of headroom for tweaking in this machine :)
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 12, 2015
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    The is only one GE72 model at this time and it has the GTX 965M in it. The GE70 Apache Pro-681 was just released on the 12th. Its not the new body style but does have a GTX 960M.
     
    Support.3@XOTIC PC, Mar 13, 2015
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  6. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    It's still a mid-segment GPU so expect mediocre performance at best.
     
    Kevin@GenTechPC, Mar 14, 2015
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    Someone did clock the 860M up to 780M levels of performance, so it should have some tweaking room for the adventurous.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 14, 2015
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    Sure, but since it's a maxed out Maxwell the headroom for that is quite little.
     
    Kevin@GenTechPC, Mar 15, 2015
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  9. DataShell

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    Has anyone been able to get a 965M to hit 970M levels of performance?
     
    DataShell, Apr 11, 2015
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    It will when maxed out (with an unlocked vbios) like the 970m can get close to the 980m.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 12, 2015
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  11. zizimonzter

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    The GTX 960M on this notebook were clock blocked (via vbios i guess), so with no OCing option the performance would still below the OC'ed 860M

    [​IMG]
     
    zizimonzter, Apr 13, 2015
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  12. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    960M VBIOS is integrated into the main MB BIOS, and its circuit is also integrated into motherboard.
    It's still possible to modify it but it takes more hassle to work on.
     
    Kevin@GenTechPC, Apr 13, 2015
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  13. yeray

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    That's impossible, the 970M is like a 40% faster. I had the two of them at the same time and there is a big difference playing Far Cry 4 with the same graphic settings.

    GeForce GTX 970M 1280 @ 924 - 1038 (Boost) MHz 192 Bit @ 5000 MHz
    GeForce GTX 965M 1024 @ 924 - 950 (Boost) MHz 128 Bit @ 5000 MHz

    You could overclock the 965M GPU to match the Boost of the 970M or even a bit further, but there is no way you con overcame the difference
    in memory bandwith or the difference in SMMs ( 10 units vs 8 units ).
     
    yeray, Apr 15, 2015
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    You can but you have to run it up in the 1300-1350mhz region, it will still have a memory bandwidth disadvantage but it will depend on the game.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 15, 2015
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    Been having GE72 with 960m for about 2 months now, and i'm pretty satisfied with it. Today finally have the courage to overclocked it, since core slider is maxed at +135 i decided to mod the vbios.
    Adding core +328, memory +247(+495) and +200mV i got a great result, 4832 Firestrike Standard Score, 5298 Graphic Score.

    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4912694
     
    zizimonzter, May 25, 2015
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    What were your temps and noise like?
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 25, 2015
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    I always turned on the cooler boost when i play and benchmark so it's pretty noisy. I only test benchmark on it, firestrike with stock clock gpu usually maxed at 66c, with modded vbios i reached around 70c
     
    zizimonzter, May 25, 2015
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    You should not need to max the fan, try without it.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 25, 2015
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    Ok, i will give it a try soon.

    Edit:
    Some more tests

    No Cooler Boost (+200 MHz CPU)
    [​IMG]

    Cooler Boost (+200 MHz CPU)
    [​IMG]

    Playing Witcher 3 (underclocked CPU) and Throttled i don't know why, happened only on witcher.
    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: May 25, 2015
    zizimonzter, May 25, 2015
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    If your CPU is throttling use intel XTU to find the reason.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 25, 2015
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    I've checked with intel XTU still couldn't find the reason why it throttled.
    TDP were only 34W far from 47W. Temps were only 74c far from 88c.
    my guess is AC Adapter doesn't have enough power since it's only 150W

    Can i use another AC adapter? GT72 Adapter maybe?
     
    Last edited: May 26, 2015
    zizimonzter, May 26, 2015
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    I have MSI GE60 2QE with 960M too. Can you send me your vBIOS? Can I install this? Will it work? This is screen from gpuz:
     
    hig146, May 29, 2015
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    probably can, but it's not recommended. Your 960M on GE60 should have different hardware id than mine.

    List of 960m hardware id for msi
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.1102.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.1103.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.1107.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.1109.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.1138.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B. 1139.1462 <-----this one's mine.
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.113A.1462
    NVIDIA_DEV.139B.113B.1462

    the best way is to mod your own vbios. (Do it with your own risk)

    using this software
    Code: 
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/ble2xre5wdynxt0/Maxwell_Bios_Tweaker_1.36.rar
    if you don't have the vbios just backup your vbios using GPU-Z

    and i'm using this guide
    Code: 
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1522651/disable-boost-and-bake-in-max-game-stable-clocks-for-maxwell
    this is my modded vbios settings
    http://imgur.com/u5OqyTA

    and use this nvflash to bypass the certificate checks
    Code: 
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1521334/official-nvflash-with-certificate-checks-bypassed-for-gtx-970-980
     
    zizimonzter, May 29, 2015
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    I cant save my vBios. Gpuz says: Bios reading not supported on this device. Nvflash says somthing about eeprom error. Maybe some tutorial for this? Someone? help!
     
    hig146, May 29, 2015
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  25. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    The VBIOS is very likely to be enclosed in the motherboard BIOS itself so it cannot be extracted using NVFLASH method.
     
    Kevin@GenTechPC, May 29, 2015
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    How about different method?
     
    hig146, May 30, 2015
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    Yes, but can you send me your modded vBios? Big please :D
     
    hig146, May 31, 2015
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    Even though i give you my modded VBIOS you still can't reflash it using nvflash, just like what kevin said.


    You have to mod your motherboard BIOS and put VBIOS in your motherboard BIOS and reflash your motherboard BIOS.

    The risk to brick the notebook is too high.
     
    zizimonzter, May 31, 2015
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    ok I surrender ;)
     
    hig146, May 31, 2015
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  30. Kevin@GenTechPC

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    Svet is probably the only person who is capable of modding the BIOS/VBIOS for GE72.
     
    Kevin@GenTechPC, Jun 1, 2015
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