MSI GS60 Ghost/ Ghost Pro Thread

Nice! Looking forward for the "shipped" status. Is that going to be next week?

 

Hopefully end of April.

Most likely yes next week.



Also FIY of the actual GPU and temperature with IC Diamond:

 

Those temps are so good @GenTechPC

I'm assuming you ran prime95 and 3d gamemark at the same time right?
I understand that you did an audio test, but in your personal opinion is idle and load noise pretty darn good? How does it compare to Asus G46VW for example assuming you've had that notebook in the past before

Thanks in advance, I plan on buying the GS60 from you over at GenTechPC

 

I only tested with 3DMark11 for now but will have more time on the weekend to test other stuff.

G46VW is quite different than the GS60. It's a lot more bulkier and it was a 14".

 

@GenTechPC,

I understand that the G46VW is a different form factor, I'm talking about just noise vs noise. Is the G46 quieter or about the same as the GS60 on idle and load?

 

@GenTechPC and XoticPC

Have you guys tried/had and success with changing the OS to Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate and are there any issues with drivers compatibility etc?

 

The G46 I had was SUBSTANTIALLY quieter across the board in fan noise both at idle and under load than the GS60. If you are expecting that level of noise you are going to be very disappointed. Asus got it right in the cooling on the G46.

Having said that, the GS60 is half the thickness and twice as powerful with great temps. Unfortunately this comes at the expense of some noise. If that's acceptable I'm not certain yet with mine.

 

Good temps on the gs60. I wonder why the Maxwell gtx 860m on the ge60 apache when ran with 3dmark11 had higher temps of 95c on cpu and 90c on gpu considering that the ge60 is thicker and has a more efficient Maxwell gpu.

 

Consider the cpu is only 47W and it's consistently at around 85-95C in almost all notebooks that use it .. Lower TDP doesn't mean lower temps. Have to consider physical chip layout and surface area.

I think also the GE series has a single fan design for the thermal solution.

 

Is GS60 dual cooling fans?

 

Yes the GS60 has dual cooling 1 for CPU 1 for GPU

 

The more efficient Maxwell 'should' run cooler than it's Kepler counterpart. The GE60 and GS60 cooling solutions are not one and the same, and Ken made it clear that the factory paste was questionable in the GE60 he reviewed. He later applied ICD, and this reduced CPU & GPU temps 8 to 10 degrees C. Since all 860M GS60 models are equipped with Kepler, this is somewhat a moot point, but I'd really like to see the GS60 temps, if equipped with Maxwell. Considering the compactness and hardware of the GS60, it appears MSI has done a fine job managing it's temps, but my money says this could have been even better with Maxwell. Also, lest we not forget, Maxwell is in it's 1st run, and when 2nd Gen is in full swing, we could be watching a different ballgame.

 

any info on the gs60 pro? msi website just lists a 3k screen version but with just an 860m as well. nothing about a 'pro' with an 870

 

it doesnt matter if it has a better screen, that GPU cant push more than 1920x1080 pixels for all the current gen games

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I suggest you stay away from it, since you will have to play games at a lower res on that screen, which will be worse.

Also i have seen the GS60 with an 870M and a 3K screen for sale in UK and Australia, but remember it has 3GB VRAM. the 870M on the stealth pro has a 6Gb VRAM.

 

im actually not interested in the 3k screen, more of i want to know what the ghost pro does have so i can compare to the regular ghost before buying it. if i got a laptop with a 3k screen i would just set the resolution to 1080p anyway, for daily use and gaming alike.

 

Well i'm assuming that it's gonna eat up most of the games that i play. Only ones it might not is crysis 2/3, battlefield 4 and metro last light (not expecting much here).

But thanks for the offer

 

Been playing gw2 for several hours temps are cpu 80c gpu 79c

 

I can not understand why they do not underclok and underwolt procesor in idle or in-office work to cool it passively. My wife's Asus and my Dell Inspirion 7537 (I74500u, GT750) is absolutely silent during ocffice work or when you're watching HD movies. Fan only starts when playing games.

 

Would this be something I could use in a small meeting room, assuming I'm not taxing the CPU too much? e.g. if I have to give a powerpoint presentation or something. At my desk it'd be at 100% cpu load (all cores), but no GPU load, and I'm also curious how hot/noisy it gets under these conditions?

 

Because it is a gaming laptop for a reason.

 

new review from laptop mag MSI GS60 Ghost Review - Gaming Laptops - Laptop Mag

 

Hi guys, I'm really into buying this notebook. But the fan noise is my only concern at this moment. I would like to know if I can use it at the classroom and at the library without bothering others around me with the noise. And one more thing, is the trackpad good enough for simple tasks?

Thank you guys

 

really?
my dell (gt750 witt 2 GB gddr5) is gaming or media laptop and play Battlefield 4 on max resolution, ultra settings, just AA reduces to 2 insteed for 4, all on 20 fps-average, and it is complitly silent on idle, complitly.. just like Samsung Ativ8 with AMD Radeon 8870...
it's just to undervolt and underclock processor on idle, graphic card is already off on idle

 

It looks like you dont see a difference between THIN GAMING laptop and bulky ones ...
and playing at 20fps is like not even playing ... 35-45FPS are values which can be called Playable

 

Trackpad is more than fine for simple tasks, office work, etc... it's really not that bad, the large size helps a lot in my opinion. You're definitely not going to want to game with it though, as the "button" areas are a bit mushy, especially when pushing both at the same time.

As far as fan noise, using it a bit more, you will be hearing the CPU fan slightly in a quiet setting but it's not obnoxious; it never slows down below about 2900RPM, even on battery. There is definitely room for MSI to adjust the EC settings to allow a slower idle speed, as my CPU is steady at a super cool 33C when doing basic stuff like typing this response while web browsing. I'll try and play around with a couple of the fan tools and see if I can slow the fan down manually. MSI went for aggressive cooling for sure. On the plus side however, temps are not an issue, and when gaming, the GS60 is quieter than a lot of other thicker laptops, GT60/GT70's included (they are quieter at idle/basic usage but noticeably louder during gameplay).

And just out of curiosity, I am sitting on the sofa typing this while my fiancé is sitting beside me in a quiet room reading a book on her Ipad (or so she says, I really think it's just facebook ha). I just asked her about the noise and she hadn't noticed it nor was bothered by it at all. We are definitely going to be paying much more attention to the noise than anyone else. You'll be just fine in a classroom and I wouldn't hesitate to use it in a library.

 

I think you missed what I was trying to say. It is a gaming laptop for a reason, which means they probably have no plans to undervolt it because its a gaming laptop. Secondly, your XPS 15 9530 (I use to have one) and ATIV 8 was design to be a media/ office workstation. It was not meant for gaming.

 

Do you even fps, bro?

 

but if they did it, I should buy it directly (and I think many others, everybody seem to ask about quite but capable lap) so there is a big reason at least economicly if they want to sell more

so people who has to work in office, like to play games, listen musik and watch movies shoul buy 4 lapotops, each for one task
or MSI should just screw down fan, make all in one with it and earn big Money

we should se what Gigabyte should do with P35G V2

 

MSI all in ones (their gaming series) do use an mxm board. I was a little tempted to get one for fun but it would be a bit to spend on that.

You could likely unlock and tweak them.

 

Had a bit of time to play today, loaded up some BF4. Very happy with the performance, and GPU temp maxed at 82C and CPU at 81C under heavy gaming load; fan noise is gaming notebook noisy, but still a bit quieter than my GT60. Overall totally happy with performance and internal temps...

But, gotta ask, how hot is the outside chassis suppose to get? Mine stays cool everywhere except the bottom under the power button where it gets wholly crud that's gonna burn... This was sitting on my desk the entire time while gaming. Had that been on my lap not sure I'd be having any future kids! :laugh:

So, leads me to ask, is this a problem with long term reliability? How hot can these internal components run? I'm not talking the actual GPU/CPU themselves, they are fine, I'm asking about everything else. If the external aluminum panel that's not even in direct contact with anything is too hot to touch, how hot must whatever else be that is inside that area?

Don't get me wrong, the GS60 is 100% stable and performs great while I played. I'm just a bit concerned with reliability after a couple years of gaming... are my concerns totally unfounded?

EDIT: Watched Gentech's video again showing the motherboard, the hot area I was referring to is in fact directly under the area of the motherboard where the GPU/CPU both sit... I guess that all these motherboards get that hot in any laptop, you just normally can't feel it? Where as with the GS60, it's thinner and has an aluminum chassis that will transfer heat better than plastic, so those super hot components are much more apparent? Like I posted earlier, actual GPU/CPU temps are fantastic. Dunno

 

So before coming to this thread, I wanted to buy the GS60 3K edition. But posters here seem to say that a 3k monitor is useless for games/windows in general. Can anyone confirm this with reasoning?

 

Windows 8 is bad at scaling and GTX 870M can't do 3K gaming, it's gonna be taxing. You'll have to lower your resolution to game/see, defeating the purpose of the 3K screen. The 3K is good for productivity though.

 

how many fps you get in BF4 with all max - ultra settings, just AA reduced to 2X? want to compare with mine dell

 

Win 8 actually does a halfway decent job of scaling. The problem is with apps which aren't programmed to accommodate these hi-res screens. The icons and buttons in your apps may end up appearing tiny and unusable. Win 8 can run those in scaled mode, but the blurring that introduces defeats much of the benefit of the hi-res screen IMHO. (This is something I noticed on the Macbooks as well - OS X seems to be designed to be more scaling-friendly, but consequently text looks slightly blurrier than Win 8 on the same external display. OS X overcomes this on the retina displays by rendering at 2x the simulated display resolution, then downsampling to retina resolution sharpen it up. So if you're running a 2880x1800 rMBP as if it were 1920x1200, it actually renders off-screen at 3840x2400, then downsample to 2880x1800. Obviously not something you can do with a game if you expect decent performance.)

For games, I think 3200x1800 is fine - you can just run it at full screen half resolution. That'll give you1600x900 which is a decent resolution for most games on a 15.6" screen. Unfortunately MSI went with a 2880x1620 screen. Halve that and you get 1440x810, which is (1) a non-standard resolution so won't be supported by some/most games, and (2) is kinda low for a 15.6" screen. Before the retina displays, one of the perennial complaints about the 15" Macbook Pro was that 1440x900 was just too low a resolution for a 15.4" screen.

So yeah, I agree that for gaming, the 1920x1080 screen is preferable to the 2880x1620.

 

I had a Dell XPS 15 for the last week but will return it because of some problems with it.
One of the worst problems was actually the 3200x1800 resolution! There are many, many problems with it! Like websites, apps, programms and so on are tiny and are not scaling properly (200% scaling) and if you change the resolution to 1600x900 which should work quite nice the screen is blurry like hell and way worse than any FHD-Display i have ever seen... I tested it alot and came to the comclusion that you will be much better of if you wait like 2+ years until high res displays are standard and everything scales properly! Because at the moment its a pain in the a** rather than an advantage atleast for the typical user (a professional photo editor might rly take advantage of it [if he manages to scale photoshop properly...])

So if you ask me and if you only use your notebook for gaming (you can only game in HD+/FHD on a QHD+/3k/4k Display because of GPU Power), internet-stuff, multimedia and office stay away from any high res dislplay!

 

All this talk about 3k screen I think I'll stick to the regular screen... But still waiting on the 870m gs60 version

 

Hey dude, is that accurate? I mean there's no mistake there with the GTX 870 right? I mean i thought the GTX 870M will have a default screen of 3K...any other update about this monster? And is there also any word about Gigabyte P35W v2? I mean that one is almost identical with GS60 Pro with that GTX 870M...

 

I had the exact same issue with the xps15 and the 1800 resolution... Totally useless right now

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It is confirmed MSI will release a variation of GS60 with GTX 870M besides the GS60 with GTX 860M. In addition, the GS60 with GTX870M will also have 3K display. Im not sure what kind (glossy or matt) of display it will have...
MSI Global - Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Motherboard, Graphics and more

 

Thats not really news at all...
The GS60 with the 870M will be available in 2 variants one with 3k and the other one with FHD.
At least in europe its like that

 

Does GenTech/Xotic plan on carrying the GS60 with a 750 HDD anytime soon?

 

Certainly..... customize as you like......

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Is this an IPS panel?

What do you guys think of the model GS60 Ghost-007 which is $100 cheaper than the 003 model?

 

UPDATES

i don't know for sure if the GPU hinders WIFI performance but i put a netgear booster in my house and everything seems to be working just fine, it might have also been killer lan manager which was set to manage bandwidth which i unchecked

i installed evo 840 ssd 1tb, very simple, don't forget to unscrew the screw under the white sticker which says warranty void if broken, this thing is hella fast now and copying between the 128gb msata and the evo ssd is near instant

screen is very impressive good color and viewing angles and high brightness and the matte finish is really a plus, still very sharp detail very little glare

the trackpad is getting somewhat better, my only issue is that it sometimes takes 2 tries to register a 2 finger TAP to open popup menu, this seems to be a software issue as i can see the mouse pointer turn into the working circle randomly as if some background process is randomly working. the trackpad movement is fine and so is the actual push down clicking for me, it is just this 2 finger TAP that is a little buggy hopefully a driver update can fix it

only game i play is guild wars 2, running mostly high settings and 2xfaa and it is usually 60-70fps with large WvW fights of 40+ people slowing things down to 20fps

fan noise is acceptable, it ramps up during game play but i can still hear the speakers more than the fans at 35% volume, during idle it is barely audible

love this machine! coming from a 2 year old HP Envy 15 3000 series

consistently getting 5200-5300 performance scores 3dmark11 (graphics 5152)

 

I have had my GS60 003 model for a few days now. I am pretty happy with the machine so far. Not entirely sure what battery life will be like in the end as I have been on and off battery power as I move around and load it up with all my programs and files. The screen is very nice. I am not disappointed that the 3K screen was not available, now that I have seen the 1080P screen. Much better than my HP DV6 that this is replacing. I have only tested a few games so far, but haven't seen any real issues. When I fired up something that needed the geforce, the power button immediately went orange and the game started. I did stay on the Intel graphics when I fired up Red Alert 2 (with none of the draw error problems I had on previous intel graphics powered machines). This is good since that should provide longer battery life.

I think the touchpad could be a little better. This is most likely a driver deal as someone else posted. I can't even get it to register the multi-finger swipes to do page forward and back. The keyboard has a nice feel to it for a laptop. The steelseries software seems to have quite a few options that I haven't fully got into yet. I did try to change the "layer" with both the software and keyboard shortcut, but this didn't seem to work for me. Also one thing that caught me with the keyboard is the only WINDOWS key is on the right side of the keyboard. This is going to take some getting used to for me as a shortcut fan.


It boots and reboots very quickly. I am pretty impressed. Faster than my Win7 desktop with a Samsung 830 Pro w/i7.

I will try to answer questions if anybody has any.

 

Would you buy it again now that you can see what your getting?

I am 99.99% ready to order one, but I can't quite tell if it's worth getting the Razor 14'' instead.
Is the display viewing angles good? Colors? I really need decent sRGB / Adobe gamut accuracy.
Do you think it would handle the heat of a GTX870 or would it cook / sound like a jet engine?

 

Hearing all these good things about this laptop kills me ((
I am still waiting for configuration with SSD and Windows 8/8.1 installed :/
It looks like there's a delay in my country

Nah... have fun with your machines guys

 

MSI GS60 Ghost-003 15.6" Notebook Computer GS60 GHOST-003

BH Photo has the MSI GS60 003 for $1,649.99. I wonder will Gentech or XoticPC price match?

 

So I have read,good to hear.

 

Installing ssd yourself is so easy. Take off all the back plate screws, there is a white ribbon that runs across the HDD it's held by a clamp at the bottom, just carefully lift up the clamp and the ribbon comes out. Then just unplug HDD connection and slide out it wasn't even screwed down. One of the backplate screws might anchor it. Then replace everything reverse order.