MSI GS60 Ghost/ Ghost Pro Thread

We did just put them up for Pre order today

 

The only doubt i have with the 870m version is that the gfx card could be too powerful for such a thin chassis. All that heat could cause more problems than anything. 860m provided solid benchmarks for gpu temperatures, it seems like a safe bet if i want to keep this laptop for around 4 years. Id definitely consider the 870m upgrade if i knew i wouldn't risk the gpu giving up on me after a few years of use.

 

I just opened one up and ran the benchmark.

 

Nice performance, but as I suspected..... the 870M is a bit toasty for the GS60.

Ken, that is without ICD, right?

 

im gonna take a guess and say its without the ICD, lets hope the ICD can bring it down 6-7 degrees

 

Yep, that was my concern with the 870m and why I went 860m... that's about 14C hotter than both of my gs60's run in 3dmark11... and in Blood Dragon I just hit 81C after about a half hour of gaming.

That's looking like it's going to put the 870m's into 90C+ range when gaming, which by itself isn't that bad, except I know how hot the bottom rear part of the panel gets when gaming with the 860m. Acceptable but quite hot. I dare say with the added heat of the 870m it's gonna dang near burn.

By comparison, I overclocked mine up a bit (+50/+200) and scored right at 5700 in 3Dmark11. GPU never passed 75C, but then when gaming at that higher speed the temps on bottom were too hot to hold a hand on...

 

With this thin chassis, and even if ICD reduces temps a few degrees C, I'm afraid the 870M may still be a bit warm. Also for many, dust issues will most likely exacerbate this in a short period of time..... and may require frequent cleaning.

Personally, for what this notebook is, I'd opt for the 860M too.

 

Hi,
I think your web team rushed too fast - your mSATA drives can't work as far as I know - the gs60 has M.2 mSATA form factor and you offer mSATA drives that don't exist (I think)

For example:
Correct me if I'm wrong but there is no M.2 form factor to this drive you offer as boot drive: 512GB Samsung PM851 Solid State mSATA III

Thanks
Dor

 

Yup it was just out of the box with stock paste, I'll see if I have time to repaste with ICD tonight and see how it goes.

It's GTX870M and with stock paste so the temperature was expected, however, it still runs way cooler than the GE60 ApachePro with GTX860M stock paste.

 

Do want.... the extra heat will keep me warmer in the winters lol

Oh and by the sound of that reply, does that mean you actually have more than one (i am wishing here)?

 

LOL! ROFLMFAO, I suppose we can put a good spin on most anything, right?

 

yes that is about 35% increase in performance very nice!
did you notice the fans being louder longer since they would kick in earlier and possibly a higher rpm? i have seen the fans highest with 860m around 5200rpms according to the MSI dragon gaming center console

 

Internal GPU temps are fine, I completely agree... I just know from gaming on mine with the 860m that is already repasted with IC Diamond how hot the bottom panel gets at the rear; I can only imagine how hot the 870m is going to heat the bottom!

The 870m is a 100W GPU in a .7" enclosure... maybe this is fine, as on a desk you won't notice, but I have to wonder about long term component life of surrounding components when the external case is too hot to touch without burning.

Also, for what it's worth, when actually gaming, my GPU temps are 5-6C+ hotter than what 3DMark11 heats them to even after a repaste. This is not a negative at all towards the GS60, I enjoy mine and it's a keeper as it does everything I want it to in an unbelievably light and thin chassis. But, if it was any hotter or louder I'd no longer be interested which the 870m appears to be, atleast in the temp department.

EDIT: LOL, not quite a fair comparison to the GE60 ApachePro with GTX860M with it's single fan... plus, I'm willing to bet even at higher internal temps, the Apache stays quite a bit cooler to the touch where as that 870m GS60 is going to literally burn your legs when gaming

 

With the GS70 765m, I feel the laptop heat up A LOT while playing games. Basically can't play games on my lap without feeling hot.

It would be awesome if GenTech/Xotic could do another video on the 870m model to focus on heat.

On another note, am I the only one who feels irked by the stock 12 GB RAM? MSI, Y U NO THROW IN 16 GB? I'm just anal.

 

Can anyone tell me what kind of ram are used? I decided that might go for the 860M version with 8gb of ram, so I will need another 8 to run it in dual channel

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Am i to understand that you're in the US now? If so then go ahead and buy it, if the US keyboard layout doesn't annoy you. However if you plan on getting the unit shipped to Denmark you have to pay both shipping and import tax (which is 25% i believe) i haven't done any calculations but i would guess that it's barely worth it.

Buying from your own country you get the correct keyboard layout as well as easier support and repairs.

Regards

Ps. There are websites which can calculate the cost when buying outside the US.

 

You are correct in exporting it will be too expensive. But I go there once in a while and I have friends and colleagues who could help pick it up locally.

The us keyboard kills it unfortunately, I have three extra letters in the Danish alphabet and I need those

 

That's nice, but i will repeat what i've said before. Replaceable/changeable keyboards isn't that common in small form factor notebooks, so i would assume that you won't be able to do it.

That said i'm not an employee at any notebook company, so you should ask someone at those companies.

Regards

 

GS60 GhostPro noise level and temperature test with stock thermal paste:



Didn't have time to do ICD tonight, will do it later.

 

Is antec formula 7, bequiet dc1 or noctua nt-h1 a good alternative to icd? Found a store who would repaste for me but they don't have icd...

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Thanks for that!

Run Grid2 in looping attract mode for about 20 minutes and report back temps.

 

is ti possible to get it silent, fan off, (by underclocking - undervolting cpu, gpu is already off then) on the idle or simple office task?

 

Damn waiting for this notebook is hard...so i'm just going to check again: did anyone bought this one in Europe already? Anyone with an 'azerty'-keyboard?

 

I'm about to pull the trigger on the gs60 860m, but i'm waiting on some more reviews with the 870m ..

I would love a comparison review with the 2 versions...Temp and Performance especially battery life, I'm planning to use this laptop for university and then some gaming when i have free time.

 

I am waiting to this laptop since it was announced and while everybody is already having fun with it, i must wait till it will be released in my country with specifications i want -_-

 

Yea I noticed 12 GB is standard which is odd, but I guess MSI is trying to cut cost where ever they can. Sadly I placed my order with the 12 GB without realizing it. I emailed to bump it up to 16 GB, even though I can probably do it myself since I don't want to open the thing.

 

Not that I've been able to accomplish yet... I think it is going to require a fan control tool or an updated EC/Firmware from MSI. My CPU idles at a cool 33-35C, but the fan never seems to drop below 2800 RPM. It seems that is the slowest speed MSI has enabled. They definitely went for a more aggressive cooling profile, but in their defense it does work well.

Ken has given us some great comparisons of the two with quick 3DMark11 runs. I get 5200-5300 on the 860m and looks like he's getting 7000-7100 on the 870m. Temps are going to be noticeably hotter on the 870m when gaming, but you'll be getting better performance as well. For me, I wanted a quieter/cooler experience this go around so went with the 860m as I've realized I never use even a portion of my 780m's performance potential regularly, but if you want to enable a few extra graphics features the 870m is the faster option.

Battery life will be identical between the two when not gaming, and when gaming with the dedicated GPU neither will last more than an hour in a demanding game.

It does require completely removing the motherboard to access the RAM, so definitely not a bad call to have a knowledgeable shop or vender do it for you if you don't want to open it yourself. :thumbsup:

 

Great video, thanks Ken! She's a fantastic performer for sure!

It's just that bottom temp that bugs me... looks like it's about 140F/61C on the outside case, which is HOT ha... even ignoring that will physically burn skin, are there any long term concerns with the other components being surrounded by that much heat? Maybe this it totally normal and I'm just not used to being so close to the source

92C that run is quite a bit hotter, and as noted elsewhere, games will push the temps even higher than 3DMark11. By comparison though, the GT60 series will hit similar temps when gaming when not using Turbo fan mode.

Thanks again for the video, you can't find info this great anywhere else!

 

I can accept even 55 C with fan off, my 2 year old msi gx640 runs on 50-55 with fan-on on idle and 75-85 when gaming, sometimes even over 100 C (when fan is dirty) and then shots down (times to clean it then)

 

Yep, I agree, it doesn't need to be a cool as it is at idle. They can definitely slow the fan speed down. Not sure if any of the fan tools will work or else I'd try one. On my GT60 I use a great tool by DavePearson that give full control over fan speed with a convenient slider.

Anybody know if fan tools that work on the GT60/70 series will work on the GS60 series?

 

When I sell my GS70, I'll be buying my GS60 from you guys. You deserve the business!

Thanks for being awesome!

 

Well, I pulled the trigger and put in a pre-order through GenTechPC for the Ghost Pro with 3K screen. Opted for the Kingston RAM and two M.2 480GB SSDs to be configured RAID-0. I went with the 3K because I'm hopeful that as 3K becomes more prevalent that Microsoft and application developers(Adobe mainly) will get their scaling issues resolved. I'm more of a casual gamer so I'm not too worried about being able to use ultra high settings on all the newest games. As long as it can run the new Carmageddon: Reincarnation and the upcoming Road Rash sequel, Road Redemption, with decent framerates at moderate settings I'll be happy with my purchase.

 

I'm not sure what to make of that last temp video posted by Ken: is that too hot for that kind of graphical power + chassis?

Thing is, I'm doubting between going for either a 860m notebook (MSI GS60 or, depending on reviews, Gigabyte P34G V2) or a 870m one (GS60).
The reason I need a thin 15" gaming laptop is because I'm going abroad for a year and I'd still love to game, but I'm coming from a good gaming desktop, where the only thing really needing an upgrade was my gfx card (gtx 560 Ti).
I'm willing to compromise given my traveling requirements, but don't want it to hurt too much performance-wise and want the best bang for my buck in the long run.

So, in short, do you guys think the 870m model is overkill for this chassis?

 

That's true. As a previous poster said, the chassis heat might be too much for anyone to use the laptop on their laps while gaming.

The GS70 is pretty hot already, which is why I use the el cheapo sleeve that comes with the laptop whenever I use it on my lap.

 

Same here (i was sort of waiting even before it was announced ) Checking lots of shops every day but i still didn't find one with an azerty-keyboard.

 

where I can download it?

 

My opinion is HERE..... make of it what you like.

HERE, in the thread's lead post, in the 'Other Downloads' section.

 

We'll I sold my Alienware 17x R4 and have a pre order on the Ghost Pro, with out the 3K screen, saw a Mac 15" with a high res screen and way to small. Hope to get it soon. I'm really not worried about the heat, I just use 2 of my beer caps to prop up the back of my GS70 and it cools it great and I got to drink the beers, a win win on both ends.

Any word when they are going to start shipping.

 

LOL! Beer caps? Let's see how you feel a few months down the road, and I don't think the larger chassis GS70 Stealth is quite the same comparison.

 

Ya Beer caps, I used them on my insanely hot burning Alienware, and the GS70, makes a huge difference. It props the laptop up just enough to let the exhausting air out quicker. I couldn't handle carrying around a 13 lbs. laptop to and from work and the GS70 is a good laptop but just to big for the weight. So I figure the GS60 will be jussssttttttt rigggghhhhhttt...

 

Who does that without a lap desk?

 

Yeah, Yeah, I hear ya!

I've propped-up a notebook or two for better cooling, but I can't say I thought of beer caps. Leave it to American ingenuity, I guess, LOL!

Naw, just saying, I seen this scenario 100 times...... folks get all excited about their notebook choices (especially early adopters), opting for the hottest GPU available, then a month or two down the road, the complaints start flooding in, "My notebook used to have temps at ABC, and now my temps are XYZ, what happened?"....... and every time, over and over again they are told, "Re-paste the darn thing, and clean it!". I predict the GS60 will be another model (especially w/870M) with frequent temp complaints, and susceptible to dust fouling..... and I don't think the handy-dandy can-O-air will necessarily do the job.

We'll see soon enough, and I'll be watching! (.... so I can say, "Told ya so!")

 

http://www.laptoplifts.com

 

ME :hi2: I do! :hi2: I play a lot of games that way while chilling in a recliner or on the couch, waiting for a client on a jobsite, at the airport etc... places where it's convenient to carry a 4lbs laptop but not a lapdesk as well. That's why I enjoyed the Asus G series so much with it's great cooling and air intakes on the top. Very happy to report the GS60 works well in this scenario as it has air intakes on the top as well. With the 860m the chassis stays cool except directly under the power button on the bottom where it gets borderline too hot but is still ok for lap usage... that's where I fear the 870m will burn baby burn

 

Hmmmmm, 'beer caps', 'Lap Top Lifts', LOL! Next, I expect to see massive post about cooling pad choices.

 

Maybe sticking a 3mm thick 19x19mm heatsink to the bottom of the GS60 under the power button would help dissipate the heat? Probably want to get those laptop lifts as well.

I'm thinking I may get this or something similar if heat becomes an issue while on the go.

 

Forget beer caps, this works much better and smells better too.

 

I'm wondering how well the lap desk in your second link will work when the gs60 shoots hot air through the rear. Would the lap desk such up that same hot air? X_x

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Too thug for a lap desk. /endures heat

So, the GS60 manages the 860m heat very well? I need to rewatch those videos more.

 

Dang Ken, now I am hungry again, LOL!