MSI GT76 Titan announced!(NBC)

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It will be a while before we see a RTX 3000 series. Pascal was around for what...3 years? RTX just came out last year. AMD is pushing with that 7nm but they will only be able to compete with the 2060/2070/and maybe 2080 with their 5800 cards. Not to mention Nvidia has the new Super series of the 60, 70 and 80 series featuring higher clock and memory speeds coming soon.

 

That depends. Depends on how the next gen of laptop cards will use the same format. Or if Dell will release their own cards capable of fitting in the AW 51m. The way I see it, the upgrade path is those who opt for the 2060 model and wanna upgrade to a 2070 or 2080 later down the line. That too with only Dell's cards. Same with the CPU. Get one with a 8700 and the most you can upgrade to is a 9900k. You will not be getting Ice-Lake on the machine. Same goes for the GT76.

 

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If more manufacturers start using the new connector, I'd guess that 780W will switch as well. Until then, would just have to make do with 2

 

I wish they would work more on the keyboard layout. GT75 was nicer after GT73. But that model's keyboard is a step-back.

 

Let's hope they refresh the GT83

 

Possibly, the output cable shouldn't be too big a deal to change on its own but who knows how big a deal it is regarding certifications and other expensive red tape considerations

 

MSI is going to have a 1x 330W and 1x 230W power brick according to the service manual, so you can probably buy a spare for traveling.

 

10 core comet lake yeah? better yet AMD's 16 cores cpu next year, zen 2 or 3.

nope, two PSU or throttle hardware, i'd go clevo if thats the case.

 

Wasn’t the MSI CEO the one who was worried about using AMD during the Intel CPU shortages because he thought it would upset Intel? Was the most pathetic interview I’ve seen in a while. He was actually prepared to sell less systems in order to not offend them.

 

If they can make a decent panel for it. I think the main reason it stopped production is because low numbers meant that better 18.4" panels were a poor investment, so while 15.6" and 17.3" models were shipping with higher refresh and/or higher resolution panels, the GT83 was stuck with a 1920x1080 60Hz.

 

A bigger deal than it should be I'm guessing.

 

MSI is here to gain market share and make profit.
I don't think they can just mix and match any Intel and AMD components together, and AMD was pretty weak on the CPU side before. They just can't mix core components from competing company.

 

May be possible to hack the EC to remove the throttle, but this depends on what is changed. The EC can be hacked to allow full power when the battery is removed completely, but not if the battery is below 30% (even though the same actual throttle flag is set, that flag is read only, but removing the battery causes other flags to be set to 00 which can then be rewritten, which are used (and cannot be changed) when the battery is inserted).

I'll need to see an EC Dump of a 1 PSU and 2 PSU system and compare them.

 

They can’t mix and match on a whim but, as a motherboard designer, they can have an AMD platform alternative if they expect they won’t enough enough Intel CPUs or PCHs to meet demand. It has been done before in laptops and dual sourcing happens all the time in phones.

This was only recently when Zen+ was out, so providing an AMD alternative wasn’t exactly laughable. In the interview he literally mentioned he didn’t want to cross Intel, which may mean selling less systems in the short term. A laughable attitude like that is why I doubt they will sell AMD anything in laptops anytime soon. At least on the CPU side.

I don’t really care one way or the other but it was an interesting insight into how dominant Intel really is in the industry. I was pretty surprised to see Acer and ASUS get on stage with AMD during their keynote and say what they said.

 

That's right, and MSI did it before with several AMD SKU in the past, there were two models at least.
First one was Intel CPU and AMD GPU, second one was AMD CPU and GPU. And since AMD has been coming up from behind so fast that hopefully we can see something cool from any manufacturers soon.

 

Yea, with all the vulnerabilities coming out for Intel I'm starting to get cold feet for them....especially at the premium they charge.

Hopefully they can with the new RDNA architecture get back to putting cards in mobile.

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The silver color looks beautiful on the new GT76. I believe pricing starts around $3400 USD for the basic model. I’ve been looking at the GT76 - I don’t need it but it is so nice looking...

 

I don't think so. For the moment it seems they will release a Turing architecture refreshment with better silicon and faster memory: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/nvidia-amd-navi-rtx-faster-memory/
And maybe next year we will see the new Ampere architecture: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...king_with_samsung_to_create_7nm_ampere_gpus/1

The reasons why there was a 3 years gap between Pascal and Turing were:
- They had no competence at all
- The crypto mining fever

Now that the crypto fever is over and AMD and even Intel are pushing from behind will force them to go back to the usual release rate they had in the past if they want to keep selling cards. Also, the performance gain between Pascal and Turing is almost insignificant, so most people that own the GTX 1080 haven't jumped into the RTX ship. Nvidia will have to release something better soon so they don't loose those customers in favor of AMD.

That's just my thoughts

 

They are not gonna "lose" customers in favor of AMD. The new 5000 series AMD cards will only target the mid range cards...the 2060 and 2070. AMD will have nothing to go up against the 2080, 2080ti and Titan high end and enthusiast grade cards. Even if their cards are competitive and priced reasonably, the vast majority of sales will be owned by Nvidia. We saw this with the paltry sales of the RX570 when compared the more expensive and worse performing 1050ti. The 1050ti sold more regardless. People will buy Nvidia regardless if the GPU is more expensive and performs worse. Brand loyalty at its finest and that is what happens when you have a company who has a monopoly in the industry. You turn your consumers into sheep who will continue to buy your product regardless of how inferior it is.

It's on the CPU side where AMD is making strides. And that too only on the desktop market. The laptop cpu market share is 100% owned by Intel.

Plus even if the 5000 series cards perform better than a 2060 or 2070, Nvidia has their counters ready in the form of the 2060 Super and 2070 Super. They did the same thing when the 1070 first came out. AMD released the Vega 56 which outperformed the 1070. So what does Nvidia do? Release a 1070ti.

 

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this laptop uses desktop CPU, so it is perfectly fine to use AMD's cpu. with a soldered BGA GPU and only 8 core that heats up like crazy, i'd take AMD's 12 cores or equivalent power consumption 16 cores anyday over this.

 

Yeah but remember the 3900x is a 105w chip. I doubt it can hold that. Plus no one seems to be making powerful AMD laptops like that.

 

9900k is a 95w chip at PL1, at it's PL2 it is 150w
3900x is a 105w chip at PL2 by default

intel is doing this because they know their chip runs damn hot to make marketing relevant. so if no one make it, no point buying security flawed, over heating CPUs that is slower than AMD's 8 cores.

 

I can't wait until they do. Maybe in a bit we will start to see Zen 2 Mobile chips.

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hmmm the price start from 3600$ 30% more from GT 75, i want but Gt75 with i7 9 gen, and RTX 2070, any advise or i wait this model with same GPU ?

 

Well it's got a desktop CPU so there is about a 30% Performance uplift from there. I think the cooling is also a bit better.

IMO I would wait to see how this plays out then make your choice.

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I still think the GT76 is a step backwards from the GT75. Sure you get a desktop CPU which is great and it has the cooling to handle the 9900k, but if all you are doing is a gaming, a 8950hk GT75 is more than enough. The GT76 loses one USB port, 2 m.2 slots, the sd card slot, the GPU is soldered on, and most importantly, the loss of the mechanical keyboard. The GT75 has the best keyboard on any laptop out there aside from the GT83/85 which house a full sized mechanical keyboard. Even the new AW Area 51's keyboard pales in comparison to the GT75 one.

 

GT85 where .. where ? Lol

 

Rumor is the next Intel chip will have a different socket. How would that figure into buying the GT76? If true it seems like the “upgradability” of this laptop isn’t an actual selling point now. For the current cost, it might just be better settling for a GT75.

 

Nothing from Intel is ever upgradeable. In the last 10 years I think only 2 chips shared a chipset AND socket.

Personally I think it's just best to plant the flag of what you want where you want and decide your upgrade cadence.

Unless AMD decides to start stepping in on mobile.

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AMD wont have 7nm mobile until next yr. plus for us we dont really want those anyway, those will be good for average consumer as they save a lot of power thats about it.

we want socketed desktop 12 - 16 cores cpu and ASUS/MSI can easily throw them in a laptop and design it that way.

 

Yea, the socketed CPU would be the best option. However for me I have started splitting hairs in favor of portability because my job situation has changed.

I get a possible 20-30 hours a week to game, and only 8 of those are gaurenteed at my desk. =\

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I have the gt73vr 7rf and although I'm happy I really do like the look of a gt76. I did read the speakers are lower watt compared to my current model. Not that that will put me off. I cant wait to see some reviews.

 

That was shoddy vrm's

It could be sub zero and still give up the ghost.

 

They aren't. Anyone buying an Alienware Area 51m or MSI GT76 is a fool thinking they can upgrade them. I mean yes they have a LGA socket. But you don't see these laptops being sold with an i3 or i5 or even a locked i7 where the end user can upgrade to a k-series CPU if they choose. They both either come with a 9700k or 9900k. I doubt anyone buying them will downgrade to a lower end CPU lol. If the GT76 was sold with an i5 9400 for a much lower price and then have the user decide if they wanna throw in an i7 or i9, then it would make sense.

 

You know what I meant

But in all honesty, I would love to see a new 18 inch beast from MSI only if it has a worthwhile panels. No point in getting a 2080 SLI laptop only to pair with a 1080p/60hz panel. But unfortunately, laptop panel manufacturers don't do that. They focus all their effort on 15 and 17 inch displays. That's why we have a wide variety to choose from in those sizes.

 

if there are talented individuals who put effort and time into it, yes it is likely upgradable on cpu side of things. bios/ec mod, pin mod etc

on the other hand, GPUs for both of these machine are most likely screwed which makes total sense why alienware went for custom design 2080 and why GT76 uses soldered GPU, so that you CAN'T upgrade to latest graphics, in a GAMING laptop.

and i recall some stubborn people claiming AW's 2080 will be full 200w and more powerful than anything we have seen, honestly idgaf. look at how many issues they got with machines burning up and non-upgradeable path, be more powerful for 1 yr and obsolete the next.

 

Forget it if your laptop is from Dell due their fully locked down firmware policy. But there is still models out there you can put new life in your laptop. I went from 6700K→7700K→8700K and now run 9900K in my 4 year old Clevo P870. As long Intel doesn't change the LGA socket there is still possibilities for upgrades.

 

So people have to choose between fireworks and magic smoke, combined with terrible cooling, or solder and cancer firmware stone, with potentially decent cooling, it seems.
And even the P870 TM-R can't use Nvidia's reference drivers, can it?

 

Probably because when they did have panels with the same specs, the 18" models were massively outsold by smaller screened systems. ASUS did have an 18" 4K model and that's gone too.

 

All laptop is pointless now lol .. it's gimped left and right , and from all vendors at that. I know it's a lot of work to put every options an enthusiastic want , so I understand why laptop vendors only do things a certain way.

 

Yeah but those are all 14nm. Ice Lake is gonna be 10nm. New process, new boards, new chip. Anyone who thinks they can upgrade their 9700k or 9900k to that in their AW Area 51m or MSI GT76 is gonna be SOL once those CPU's drop.

 

Honestly I believe that whole "upgrade-able" GPU from Dell with the Area 51m is only limited to those who choose a 2060 model and wanna upgrade down the line to a 2070 or 2080 and are limited to the Dell cards. It's not like before where we we able to use Clevo or MSI cards when there was a standard mxm format. And no one with an Area 51m with a 9700k or 9900k is gonna downgrade to a 8700k or an i5 or i3. And no one is gonna be able to use the 10nm Ice Lake CPU's either in their machines. The 9900k is end of the line for them. And no Dell nor MSI will not offer notebook motherboard upgrades to accommodate a 10nm Ice Lake K series CPU to current Area 51m or GT76 owners.

I seriously don't get why neither Dell or MSI offered these laptops with a basic i5 9400 or i5 8400 for a much lower price and allow the customer to upgrade to a 8700k, 9700k or 9900k at their own discretion. That's how people in the desktop world do it. I get having their own custom cards for the GPU or having it soldered on since not many laptop owners upgrade them (as they cost way too much), but the CPU should have been easily upgradable (as it is since you can buy them yourself).

 

Yeah the GX800. 18 inch 4k screen, mechanical keyboard, SLI, and a big bulky water cooler sticking out the back. They probably sold less of those than MSI did with the GT83 or AW did with the AW18/M18x which is why they got rid of it. But at least it had the screen to take advantage of the SLI power (even though SLI is pretty much dead today).

 

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9900KS is on its way this fall. And none knows if coming 10 cores from Intel will be on 10nm.

You can’t eat cake if you haven’t baked or bought one

i7-8700 is an option. As well newly released i7-9900.

For 9900K, see my reply above.

And re-read my posts about Dell’s firmware policy. Maybe MSI can be fixed but it’s depending on Svet or other with proper firmware skills.

Those with Clevo have firmware magician @Prema

 

Yeah Intel isn't gonna be sitting on 14nm now that AMD is kicking their @$$ with the 7nm Ryzen 2. Also at Computex they showed off 10nm laptops already. Ice Lake will definitely be 10nm and not compatible with your current Clevo laptop. I can bet you their 10nm desktop chips will be out this fall.

Also I haven't seen a GT76 with a 8700 or 9900 as an option. Only with the Area 51m but Dell is still nickel and diming you by offering only 8gb of ram and a 1tb mechanical hard drive.

The 9900ks isn't an upgrade over a 9900k. It's like going from a 8700k to a 8086k. You will only see slightly better scores in cinebench with it.

 

intel's road map already show 10 cores with 14nm and it wont be 10nm simply because the performance is garbage vs an optimized 14nm for yrs.

u wouldnt want 4.3-4.4ghz capped out 10 cores that uses as much power/voltage as a 10nm++ 5ghz for example.

besides, with no ipc improvement 14nm++ 5ghz would blow away 4.4ghz at 10nm

 

I thought they wouldn't use 10nm on desktop because their current implementation is only working for low power devices? Hence why they only offer it for up to quad cores.