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    MSI MS-16F3 & MS-1762 (GT60 & GT70 Barebones) - Now Available.....!

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. -=$tR|k3r=-

    -=$tR|k3r=- Notebook Virtuoso

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    -=$tR|k3r=-, Apr 10, 2012
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  2. -=$tR|k3r=-

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    WHOOPS! Sorry folks!

    Not only did I mess up the spelling in the thread's title, it's also misleading. No need to 'pre-order', because the barebones units are AVAILABLE NOW!

    :D :D :D
     
    -=$tR|k3r=-, Apr 10, 2012
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  3. awakeN

    awakeN Notebook Deity

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    I thought the 15.6" was supposed to have the backlit keyboard... :(
     
    awakeN, Apr 10, 2012
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  4. Superfrag

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    There is no GTX675M option.. so as I see it, and the GTX580M is more powerful than the GTX670M.. The earlier model is still the better option. Till Ivy Bridge and GTX680M comes, that is.
     
    Superfrag, Apr 10, 2012
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  5. MutenRoshi

    MutenRoshi Notebook Guru

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    Obviously the 580m still be a better option, but it also cost 40% more :wink:
     
    MutenRoshi, Apr 10, 2012
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  6. awakeN

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    and when the 680M comes out it will be as expensive as the 580M (aka expensive as balls)
     
    awakeN, Apr 10, 2012
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  7. mtrein

    mtrein Notebook Consultant

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    That's when it will be worth checking out the 580gtx price drop :)
     
    mtrein, Apr 11, 2012
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  8. awakeN

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    That's already done, with the GTX 675M only $100 over 670M.
     
    awakeN, Apr 11, 2012
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  9. Fr3netico

    Fr3netico Notebook Consultant

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    Why no GTX 675 option???
     
    Fr3netico, Apr 11, 2012
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  10. mtrein

    mtrein Notebook Consultant

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    Where did you see that?
     
    mtrein, Apr 11, 2012
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  11. awakeN

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    Well, they're only on the Sager/Clevos AFAIK, but for MSI laptops, no, not yet.
     
    awakeN, Apr 11, 2012
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  12. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    I was talking with Ken, and he thinks that if the 16F3 does not have a native backlit keyboard, a keyboard from the GT60 should work just fine (though he needs to test first). I also heard rumblings that a 675m variant might be coming soon, but nothing concrete.

    They're sexy looking laptops, in any case.
     
    SoundOf1HandClapping, Apr 11, 2012
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  13. mtrein

    mtrein Notebook Consultant

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    When the 675 finally comes to the 16F3 I believe the 16f2 with the 580 will have a very nice price until units finally run out. This is what I meant when I was talking about the 580 price drop.
     
    mtrein, Apr 11, 2012
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  14. crescent city

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    Im hoping for that with the barebones and branded models. Hopefully the new graphics and processors coming out and available on newer models drop the older ones a solid amount.
     
    crescent city, Apr 12, 2012
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  15. awakeN

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    Well, they can just take those 580M's and just rename it to 675M's :D
     
    awakeN, Apr 12, 2012
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  16. mtrein

    mtrein Notebook Consultant

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    They could do that, yes :D
     
    mtrein, Apr 13, 2012
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  17. Meaker@Sager

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    Wrong N number laser etched onto the core :p

    Also if you feel like getting ripped off:

    Overclockers UK Search Results

    £2300 for the top model, that's $3640 for the curious.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 13, 2012
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  18. mtrein

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    My word... Talk about a rip off.
     
    mtrein, Apr 13, 2012
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    What are the chances the Radeon HD 7970M will run on this?

    Thanks!
     
    Fr3netico, Apr 13, 2012
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  20. awakeN

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    may 30th for msi
     
    awakeN, Apr 13, 2012
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  21. Red Line

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    So the new barebones feature 1,5Gb of vRam instead of 3Gb like in MSI GT70/60 models? Also the MSI laptops have killer 2200 gigabit ethernet, same for barebones?
     
    Red Line, Apr 15, 2012
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  22. robm@rkcomputer.net

    [email protected] Company Representative

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    Yes the barebone 16F3 & 1762 has 1.5GB and yes the barebone has the same Killer E2200 LAN as the branded models.
     
    [email protected], Apr 15, 2012
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    Do any of the resellers know if the 16F3's motherboard will fit in the the 16F2?

    The chassis look to be the same.
     
    5482741, Apr 15, 2012
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  24. Red Line

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    Red Line, Apr 16, 2012
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    I have not checked it out yet, in the next few days I will.
     
    [email protected], Apr 17, 2012
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  26. GenTechPC

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    Everything looks the same, same layout for the ports and even heatsink and fan are the same except new model has backlit keyboard connector:
     

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    So the 16F3 barebone has the connector?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 17, 2012
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    If they do I would jump on one quick, in this day and age there is no good excuse for laptops not having a backlit keyboard, especially gaming laptops.
    At least have a option for it.
     
    IKAS V, Apr 17, 2012
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    So just to confirm, with the 16F3 motherboard, Optimus works with Sandy Bridge CPU's as well?

    And is the eSATA port now a USB+eSATA combo port?

    Are you allowed to post the 16F3's BIOS yet?
     
    5482741, Apr 17, 2012
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  30. Meaker@Sager

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    I don't think it uses optimus, retail or barebone.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 17, 2012
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    GenTech's product page for the GT60 says it has Optimus, and a review for the 16F3 says it has 7 hours and 32 minutes of battery life.

    At least I think that's what the review says:
    One Gaming Notebook M56-2N: Tests, Technische Daten, Erfahrungsberichte / M562N_test

    If the new motherboard brings Ivy Bridge support, longer battery life, and the combo port; I won't be able to resist upgrading.

    The backlit keyboard support is nice, but I'm not really interested in it.
     
    5482741, Apr 17, 2012
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  32. GenTechPC

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    Optimus is a new standard for all MSI notebooks, I just tested it with Sandy Bridge and it worked:

    No the eSATA port is not a combo port and I am not allow to post BIOS, sorry. :eek:
     

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    The product pages for the GT60 and GT70 say they have combo ports:
    MSI Global ? Notebook - GT60
    MSI Global ? Notebook - GT70

    Could it be a typo?
     
    5482741, Apr 17, 2012
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  34. Heihachi_1337

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    If you note on the web page you linked, MSI does have this disclaimer:

    "The Specification may change without notice. The actual products sold are different from areas. Please check the detailed Specification with your local dealers. "

    So, it may be that features may change before official release.
     
    Heihachi_1337, Apr 17, 2012
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    I see.

    Hopefully the combo port will be one of the features they include with the official release.
     
    5482741, Apr 17, 2012
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  36. WhatsThePoint

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    Benchmark results for a Ivy Bridge Core i7-3820QM compared to a Sandy Bridge i7-2960XM in the same laptop.

    Ivy Bridge i7-3820QM Performance

    In conclusion, the Ivy Bridge processor outperforms the Sandy Bridge processor under test in every test (as one would expect with a new generation chip using a smaller manufacturing process). The average improvement in the CPU speed is approx 9%. For the integrated GPU, the performance benefit with Ivy Bridge varied between 32% and 108%, depending on what test was performed. Neither processor had a graphics score which is close to the performance that might be needed by many gamers, as shown by the 3DMark Vantage score using the GTX 570M. However, the improvement over the previous generation is enough to indicate that Intel are not standing still in that area, given the improvement of over 100% in some tests.

    i7-3820QM is among the Ivy Bridge processors expected at the end of April.
     
    WhatsThePoint, Apr 17, 2012
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  37. Tim4

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    Ahhhhh! Finally! :)
     
    Tim4, Apr 17, 2012
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  38. GenTechPC

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    I checked and there is no combo port for both models.
     
    GenTechPC, Apr 18, 2012
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    It might mean the motherboards throw a hissy fit if you put an AMD card in them though.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Apr 18, 2012
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    Hi can any one tell me of the backlight for the keyboard should work standard or do you need to upgrade or what, because i replaced my HDD for a SSD in my GT60 ms-16f3 but everything is working except for the ledlights in the keyboard.

    Or is there software to make this work i been searching in google but did not find anything with proper info about it.

    Maybe there are more with the same issue then i like to know please.

    UPDATE

    Opened the back of the computer and found out this keyboard has no connector for backlight on the keyboard so now i need to find a shop in europe who is selling this. :(
     
    frisianbear, Aug 23, 2012
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  41. omega939

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    Eh guys.. Has anyone here tried the gtx980/970m with their GT60 (16F3) with an updated 51x bios? Still searching on the web who have done it though... Thanks
     
    omega939, Oct 31, 2014
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