MSI notebook order thread: post your orders here

Hi Phoenix, I'm new to this forum and I really like your new machine! I have a hard time choosing between EVOC MSI and EVOC Clevo. Is it possible you can give me some guidance?

 

for max performance but cramped keyboard if you can deal with a small keyboard with little travel distance between the keys, Clevo.

For the best keyboard and build quality (in my opinion at least) but lower CPU performance, MSI

Do note that getting into the laptop on the MSI is much harder so if you enjoy opening your laptop and upgrading it, Clevo

 

I can Put this in the proper direction... CLEVO or buy a very very cheap Cromebook The best advice I can give all of yooo

 

Thanks guys, didn't mean to change the topic of this thread. Where should I post questions like this on this forum?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/what-should-i-buy-form-must-read-before-posting.29271/

 

Your performance issue could be due to throttling (assuming RBP is thin) or the CPU bottlenecks the card (6700HQ).

 

I'm really interested in this one too. Is it the only 15'' laptop with GTX1080? I really want something portable too. Can't wait to see your review

 

TBH, I think most of the problem is the application, not the system.

I'm sure my new EVOC will run it a good deal faster, because of all the things you mention, but I'm just throwing more sand at the problem of software that is not well optimized. It's okay. I have one Skyrim mod published that I want to keep maintaining and upgrading, but my only large mod is in Oblivion. Moving forward, I am working much more in the Unity game engine, creating content from scratch rather than modding. Unity goes like the wind on anything with a GTX 1080 inside.

 

You may be interested in a related article on Ars Technica, basically making the same assertion.

 

Nice write up Phoenix! Getting ready to order the same machine, although, not as customized as yours. Just put the ole GT 70 up for sale in the marketplace. I did not read through the entire 40 pages of posts, but after a couple weeks of ownership, how are you liking it? Any issues? Those 960 evo's are nice! I am only going to get one, and I think I will get mine from Xotic.

 

I think all the BGA haters saw MSI and immediately jumped on this to steer you away from it. However, I noticed that you said "EVOC MSI" so if you're looking at the 16-L-G-1080 from HIDEvolution I would recommend that over the Clevo all day long (in the 15" category).

The build quality and keyboard are much better than the clevo models. The only downside is that it's only available in 15.6" and the screen isn't 120hz. However it does have an LGA CPU which will keep the BGA hating mafia off your back here, if you care about that sort of thing.

 

He just received it a yesterday

 

Here's my thoughts, the native resolution of msi is full hd 120hz and as of for clevo its 3k 120hz. The msi will have more fps when gaming in native resolution than the clevo's native resolution even though the cpu of the clevo is faster than the msi's since what matters most in gaming is the gpu which they are the same. In short, Clevo have better specs, cpu and screen resolution but msi have more fps when gaming in native resolution (the display is best when it is set to native resolution).

 

Oh crap, you are right. I just looked at the original post date which was the 19th
And....I am ordering the 427 which comes with the 1070. I think that is the only difference.

 

You can order the MSI with three different screen options. 1080, 3k, or 4k.

 

You got it all wrong bro

1) I just got the machine a couple of days back

2) where do the you see 960 Evo in my sig? I have 2 960 Pros in Super RAID 4 and 1TB 850 Evo m.2 SSD + 4TB 850 Evo both setup as a single partition 5TB spanned drive

 

I stand corrected. It kind of sucks getting old, and trying to read without my glasses on

 

15,6", 120Hz and of course LGA http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-16l-g-1080-custom-built-gaming-desktop-replacement-laptop.html

 

That's awesome. As recently as last week they only had 60hz IPS 1080p and 60hz 4K screens available. Too bad it still has that gimped LGA garbage CPU. LOL

 

Intel Marketing has always been my main beef with them. Their BGA advertisement can be very confusing to non savy users. I have bumped many users on many sites that believe their 6700HQ CPUs run at 3.5ghz all the time in quad core, so they think they got a good mobile CPU, only to find out they have lower than expected performance. Even when I explain the limitations, I often get replied with "nope, mine turbos to 3.5ghz I saw it once".

I do wonder why there is such a large difference between the HK and the LGA CPUs in terms of voltage/speed. I can certainly understand using lower end parts if needed, for mobile, because they tend to run much lower anyways, it is very alarming the huge voltage needed to run at stock LGA speeds.

 

Remember before I had 2x Samsung 950 Pros in RAID 0 mode? Now I have 2x Samsung 960 Pros in RAID 0 mode.

What I noticed is when I am installing my Adobe Creative Cloud Suite CC 2017, it used to take like 45 seconds to 1 minute for each app to install, that was on my Clevo P9870DM3, now even though I have a BGA / slower CPU on my MSI GT73 VR Titan Pro, each app installs literally in 15 seconds, these SSDs are super snappy!

@tilleroftheearth

Benchmarks to come soon in my review

 

that's the 1TB m.2 850 EVO combined with the 4TB 850 EVO 2.5" SATA as a single partition (spanned drive)



@tilleroftheearth @Porter @Mr. Fox @Papusan @ryzeki

 

I just noticed that I got a free MSI Backpack with my laptop and an MSI Neck Pillow and some MSI Lego kinda cubes figure

 

Yup, MSI bundles stuff like that with their laptops often. I like the little MSI Dragon they pack in sometimes. You can buy all that stuff too:

MSI Dragon Collection
https://us.msi.com/collections/pages

MSI Lucky Dragon
https://us.msi.com/collections/pages/MSI-Mascot-Dragon-M.html

 

I can follow up this further. "The processor base frequency is the operating point where TDP is defined"

And "Thermal Design Power (TDP) represents the average power, in watts, the processor dissipates when operating at Base Frequency with all cores active under an Intel-defined, high-complexity workload"

Intel operate always with Base frequency and Turbo boost will come longer down. Aka the low powered Soldered mobile Crap have a base frequency a lot lower than the LGA chips.

You can't expect otherwise when the BGA i7 chips is intended and designed for Apple thin laptops. The thicker laptop models will suffer from this unwanted decision!!

 

While that sounds good, in real life it's not the case, I can get sustained Turbo even on semi-limited use CPU's like Haswell (33x x 4) and Broadwell (35x x4). Both running sustained at well above base frequency.

On unlocked Skylake (40x x4) / Kabylake (4?x x4) you can of course do even better.

I'm looking forward to @Phoenix 's OC tuning to see how much sustained speed he can get out of his new 7820HK

 

Unlocked BGA chips is "same" chips as LGA. But none... Absolutely no one of the unwanted BGA trash will run equal the LGA variant. Neither with decent Vcore Vs. overclock. Pure trash who can't be used for LGA chips. Binned for JOKEBOOKS!! Sorry, but so it is Just look at the insane Vcore needed for overclocking of an unlocked Skylake BGA i7.

 

Yeah yeah, "jokebook" "trash" "spew" "vomit" - we get it

They still run more than fast enough for 99% of gamers, and that extra few percentage points are lopped off by G-sync / V-sync anyway, so you won't miss it.

BGA CPU - Pretty Pretty Butterfly, making small CPU heat, no CPU fan noise, Happy Happy Day.

 

There's no contest between BGA & LGA when it comes to synthetic benchmarks, fine.

But how does it matter in real world scenarios? If the difference is only a few FPS in games then it really shouldn't matter.

 

If you have followed my posts... I have benched my 6700K with BGA speed. A really terrible experience I almost throw up in my sofa

 

You benched it at 4.0ghz? Or for Kabylake 4.3ghz - 4.5ghz?

Should be the same performance.

Maybe BGA is better at being LGA than LGA is at being BGA !!

LGA fall out of socket, all the geeks horses and all the geeks men, can't plug in the LGA CPU again, sad LGA CPU.

 

Last time I checked Kaby [email protected] = CBR15 872cb vs my lower clocked "old" Skylake who pushed 890cb. If the LGA chips fails, just buy a new one. Once it come, you are up and running in about 10 min

And @Phoenix we are waiting on the "CPU" benchmark tests Forget the G-sync mess for now.

 

Yeah, the funny thing is once he gets G-sync squared away and working, he'll want to turn it and V-sync off to get best performance in benchmarks - no G-sync time is really the best time to OC tune and benchmark @Phoenix !!

 

Will you two please grow up and make your own thread rather than crap all over @Phoenix's thread?

That looks about right. My 5TB is only showing 4.09GB because of my over provisioning. My C drive is the same, 2TB shows 1.67. The great thing is if I fill it up I can recover a few hundred GB if I need to before I do any upgrade. I used 10% of my own OP over whatever they included in the drive design (7% maybe?)

 

There's a big difference between the HQ BGA and the HK BGA. The HK aren't designed for crapple laptops and are only found in DTR notebooks because it needs a thicker chassis and beefier heat sink. The HK CPU when OC'd to 4.0+ gets the same fps as a stock clocked i7 K CPU. And the HK with good cooling can maintain boost speeds on all 4 cores at max.

Nobody is saying they are better than a desktop but you can come damn close and they aren't trash. I'll agree that the HQ mostly stinks for a power user.

So @Phoenix did you ever hear back from HID?

 

You can google and see what types laptops who will contain BGA hk chips. And not all of those have thicker chassis.

For your Q to @Phoenix See http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/chi-mei-n173hhe-g32-no-g-sync.800950/page-15#post-10450503

 

Since its just a drive for video Storage, no need to OP just let it be within its built in factory OP

 

No problem, I wanted to test Linux anyways. I think you could probably get something going with Debian Jessie + Backports pretty easily. I really enjoy using Debian but I would miss having tools from Ubuntu like ubuntu-make, the graphics-drivers, dead-snakes (for old pythons), and webupd8 PPA's. At least using UbuntuGNOME is much more tolerable than using vanilla Ubuntu.

I joined the project mid-way and was just setup to connect via the existing L2TP/IPsec setup that the teams' IT guy setup. It was a pretty big pain. Everyone else on the team used MacOSX, and they told me right from the start that using Linux would likely have VPN issues (someone else had already spent some time trying to get Ubuntu 14.04 going). OpenVPN looks interesting (definitely a more secure option based on articles I have read) but I am not sure how much value there is swapping VPN setups at this point.

In the past, I have dual booted Debian / Ubuntu + Windows 10 on the same drive by installing Windows 10 first, then installing debian afterwards. UEFI is enabled, and secure boot is disabled. I also disabled things like fastboot / hibernation so Windows would behave as it had traditionally from a cold boot. If you use Ubuntu, secure boot can be left enabled, but Windows doesn't "complain" anymore so its not a big deal.
An even better idea is to install each operating system on a separate drive. Only have one drive installed at a time while installing each system, then update grub to detect the Windows boot partition after both are installed. This way either drive could be removed if needed, still leaving the other bootable.

 

I'll probably go with Xubuntu (Ubuntu with xfce instead of {shudder} Unity). I love the game engine Unity, but I'm not so keen on the [unrelated, for those who don't know] Unity desktop interface in Ubuntu.

My company runs OpenVPN on multiple Linux distros, Windows 7, Windows 10, MacOS, and Android. Works well on all of those. On MacOS, the client I recommend is called Viscosity. Once OVPN is installed, it's pretty much a "fire and forget missile" that Just Works.

Great tip about the drive deinstallation. I might give that a try. Hibernation might as well be disabled anyway -- it's faster to cold boot than to de-hibernate on a system with a lot of RAM.

 

Then it's time for some CPU benchmarks @Phoenix In this link http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ware-17-r4-15-r3.797378/page-33#post-10447610 can you see AW17r4 i7-6820HK OC 4.1GHz in action and 873 cb in Cinebench R15. This CB R15 score is too low for 41x. The hunt can begin

Spoiler: Here I've tested 40x for you in CB R11.5 and R15 CB. As a start :)

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There is always the case that , its an unoptimized run. Your runs are highly optimized to make use of every CPU cycle possible.

 

huh?

 

He is comparing clock for clock.
Clock for clock can only be properly compared when the testing platform.is the same. Otherwise there will be a loy of factors involved.

 

Time for me to get excited! My order status just got updated to "Payment Review Completed", which means they received and deposited my check. Now it's just a matter of waiting for parts, build/test, and shipment!

I could have moved the process faster by paying with a credit card, but HIDevolution offers a nice discount if you pay by check or EFT. My willingness to wait saved me a nontrivial amount of money.

 

My best R15 run was only 918, but I don't feel like pushing the CPU too hard because of the insane voltage requirement. I believe this score was at 4.2 or maybe 4.3ghz. Don't remember.

 

HaHa. Yeah, I don't like wasted clock cycles aka no bloat, but still same old OS install . And bro @Phoenix is a master in OS re-install and optimization I think he can handle this OS optimization pretty well
He needs some goals bruh

 

I can format a taptop, install Windows, do all the tweaks, make it look like Windows 7, remove telemetry in one hour and blind folded. How do you like that?

Seriously, I can't count the number of times I've formatted lately, more than 7 times in the past 10 days

 

I know you is a master in re-install the OS bro + tweaks And Your OS threads is Gold What's your record in OS install in one day?

If you looked in the link I posted previous with AWbook 17 In Cinbench R15 bench run, yooo can see he used 41x. I would think one extra bin overclock would easily compensate for a old OS install without bloat and lower clock speed

 

@Phoenix

MSI build quality never ceased to amazed me if only they can put in a socketed deskop grade CPU like Sager/Clevo did it will be the holy grail of gaming laptops.

Anyway does anybody here knows if the software "Silent Option" from MSI compatible with GT73VR?

 

It would be easy (maybe less fun?), to build an image as you like it then snapshot it with Macrium Reflect (Free) into an image file you can quickly restore to any new storage build you want.

http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

You only need a 4GB USB 3.0 flash drive for the Macrium Reflect (Free) restore boot drive, and external storage (or internal storage on another drive / volume) to hold the restore image.

It sure beats running all the steps of a clean install for an hour, just take 10 minutes or less to restore from the usb boot recovery flash drive and saved image