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do what now?

 

Login via teamviewer before it leaves their factory if it gets your approval, it should be perfect

 

no can do unfortunately this is very time consuming

 

It's ok, I understand.

 

Crazy MSI, what were they thinking?

Maybe get the stock speed 2400mhz mfgr matching 2x16 for the bottom slots instead?

IDK how much you will notice slightly faster RAM in gaming, I doubt it's worth the effort required to pull out the motherboard, cooling, and put it all back together with a re-paste.

See if HID will do some benchmarks for temperature readings for the stock paste so you can have a basis for comparison on how well/bad the re-paste is.

And, see if you can find some good memory and high memory usage benchmarks to see the improvement in performance for your memory upgrade.

The Kabylake new memory default speed is 2400mhz vs the highest I've heard available as 2800mhz - not a big enough jump for the effort and expense I would assume, but maybe the benchmarks will show otherwise.

 

Stock paste vs. better ram? Are you kidding? What if the offer was 2133MHz sticks? Still stock paste? I really hope bro @D2 Ultima don't see this

 

Did I hear "remove motherboard to upgrade RAM"?

 

Stock paste vs. better ram. A nice deal

 

Sure why not. I don't believe in ripping apart a laptop, especially for minor gains, especially without living with the laptop as is for a while to get to know it and profile it's stock performance - wholly missing out on a major experience of ownership. Throwing that experience away like it's nothing. That's weird to me.

It's amazing how few FPS are to be gained ripping apart the laptop to re-paste and bump up the memory clock by a few percent, yet you seem to think it's the obviously right thing to do. Not me

 

See previous forum posts from me... My 4930mx has the same * thermal paste Liquid metal* for almost three years now. February is the 3 birthday since I applying Coolaboratory liqud ultra

 

Better RAM is a lot more than a few % improvement. A 3000MHz RAM + stock 7700K outperforms a 4.8GHz 7700K with 2133MHz basic RAM. Even if your GPUs aren't starved for power, it still reduces CPU load in games (thus reducing heat on your chip) and benefits other avenues like video encoding etc.

The problem I have, is that you need to rip apart the laptop to change a couple RAM sticks. I cannot fathom why MSI felt that was a good idea, nor why they have air blowing out BOTH sides as well as the back. It's really counter-intuitive. Coupled with the HDMI 1.4 of the Skylake model (I don't know if the Kaby Lake has 2.0) and other silly design choices in an otherwise premium notebook (BGA CPU or not), it's like they're TRYING to not hold top spot for some extremely weird reason.

Also, cooling is everything =D

 

Yeah, maybe, but how do you know what the performance difference really is without enjoying the stock laptop and profiling it's performance? OC'ing it, tuning it and enjoying it with games, apps, and daily use?

Then after you've gotten to know it well, you can have that enjoyable experiene all over again by replacing key hardware pieces one at a time to see what each change improves, and exactly by how much.

I see these guys blowing through stacks of cash to change everything before they even see their laptops, and never getting the joy of the whole process themselves.

IDK, when I own a laptop I look forward to the process enjoyed as individual changes throughout a long ownership. Why blow all that joy at once, and not really get the value from all that expense?

Just seems odd to me.

The only other time I see this is with racing teams taking stock cars and ripping them apart and completely replacing them except for the frame and general shape of the body.

In that case it makes sense, they can't exactly race the stock car on the track, so I think it's completely normal.

As for laptops, it's just weird

 

External video outputs depend on card though? Pascal can do hdmi2 and dp 1.3

 

They will first test the 3200MHz RAM, if it doesn't work, they will put 2800 MHz

I dont think I can push them to also test the temps on the default RAM/stock paste, I don't wanna be too pushy and be a nuisance rather than a nice customer to deal with.

 

I hope the 3200mhz works

It's odd to me that a before / after re-paste thermal benchmark test isn't a standard feature of paying for a re-paste.

If I was doing that work I'd want to know if there were any problems with the stock paste / assembly, a good way to find out is to do a quick few minutes of thermal benchmark runs.

A poor temperature result from testing would tell me to look for problems to fix like warped parts or misfitting parts - important to know before blindly re-pasting potentially ill fitting components, ending up with as bad or worse than stock results.

And, a matching comparison thermal benchmark run after re-pasting would let me know if re-pasting was successful - before I shipped out a faulty paste job to a client.

As part of that process I would be proud to provide a before and after benchmark result so the client would see the positive effect the re-pasting had on the performance.

Maybe they already do before after thermal benchmark runs, but don't normally give it to customers.

Asking to run the tests you might find they do them already and would be happy to provide you a copy of the before / after results

 

They are dependent on the GPUs, but Maxwell supported HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.3 as far as I remember, and the GT73VR launched with Pascal. They simply did not bother updating the outputs on the board, as far as I can tell.

 

This is more of a job for reviewers, I'll say. It's their job to check stock and check tuned performance and advise what's best for people... nobody does that for laptops.

When you're a user who understands the performance bumps in the first place, there's no need to aim for stock then change. And, that costs more money. Why buy a stock machine then external RAM and other such things if the company offers it from scratch at a reasonable price, or if you can get the machine without stock stuff (like how HID sells with no RAM as an option so you can just include your own)? It doesn't make monetary sense, and it's a lot of time wasted on a new machine. People don't buy desktop parts with weaksauce RAM and stock CPU cooler and whatnot to then after testing it go buy better RAM and a better cooling solution for overclocking, when they knew they wanted the better RAM and overclocking from the get-go.

It's similar to that stock car stripdown. They already have an idea of what the car will do, and they know the benefits of upgrading it, so they skip the initial testing and just run their upgrades.

 

We are talking about an MSI retail box laptop, that comes in several configurations, narrowing down the specifics of expansion a user needs to think about and decide on their own.

From the MSI model choices available a new owner should have enough memory, storage, with the parts provided specifications close enough to the maximum optimal limits for the design limitations.

There really isn't much headroom to grab for in these laptop CPU models.

You aren't going to have a large delta in memory speed - 2400mhz to 2800mhz, not a knock out improvement in any estimation - certainly not enough improvement for most owners to expend the effort to swap out all the original 2400mhz memory for 2800mhz.

It makes more sense to match the make/model of the installed memory to fill out the 2 remaining empty slots that are easily accessible under the rear panel.

The same goes for storage, spending $4000 on storage for this laptop is highly unusual. For the most part 99% of the people wanting this laptop are not going to opt for spending this much, or opt for replacing the original memory in the hard to service slots under the keyboard.

That's all I am trying to point out, this isn't going to be a good example of what others can expect to get from MSI out of the box.

@Phoenix 's unit is going to better represent the savvy and technical expertise of HID's pasting and memory tuning than what others can expect from a stock MSI unit. I look forward to the optimal results attained by HID, and @Phoenix.

Normally all it takes to get an MSI retail boxed laptop operational - is to unbox, plug in, turn on, and game

 

2400 to 3200 will

 

That would be fun, let's cross our fingers that a 35% memory performance improvement from a stock MSI BIOS is stable. If not maybe a Svet BIOS will help make it so.

 

Even 3000MHz would be more than fine. Later in the video they show 2133, 2400 and 3000 scaling. Since he's getting Kaby Lake, it should at least handle 3000 due to the CPU having a much improved IMC meant for 3600MHz+

 

That's true, 3200mhz on Kaby Lake is more likely to work than on Skylake.

Maybe if 3200mhz isn't immediately stable HID / @Phoenix can take the time to put in a technical request requesting MSI release a BIOS improvement to open up the support for faster RAM offered with Kaby Lake.

 

they might just contact svet

 

Maybe contact both?

Svet might be able to provide an open unlocked BIOS that HID / @Phoenix can use to tune successfully on their own quicker than MSI can respond.

In the long term, and for wider user community support, it would be nice to have MSI's supported BIOS offer that range of memory speeds.

 

I will never use any of that Svet BIOS for personal reasons which I cannot reveal

 

Update: Laptop has moved to In-Production Status

 

I asked HIDevolution what Build of Windows 10 are they installing and to my surprise, they are installing the latest build: Windows 10 Final 1607 RS1 Build 14393 and the latest drivers

Now that's how a company should deliver a laptop! With the latest OS/Drivers

 

The Anniversary update caused a lot of headaches for those of us were in the middle of tuning our new laptops.

 

not for me bro, I'm running it since it's been released with O&O ShutUp10 offcourse

 

I'm not nearly a savvy with software as you are and every time I try to outsmart updates I end up regretting it so I just go along with the updates.

 

HIDevolution just confirmed to me that they checked the screen for backlight bleeding prior to start installing all the components

 

What about the pop corn?

 

I'm really certain they have tested the machines they sell and know what the max temp can be out of the box

 

they just told me they don't have the 3200MH in stock

so they will test the 3000 MHz. instead

 

Ask if they can test/tune the ram for 3200MHz speed They have the machine in their hands and should manage this

 

As Papusan said, they might be able to set it to 3200MHz anyway.

 

@GenTechPC @Papusan @D2 Ultima

HIDevolution just tested the 3000 MHz. RAM but on XMP 1 or XMP Profile it only operates @ 2400 MHz so they are going to test the 2800 MHz now since Kevin @GenTechPC said the 2800 MHz works

Kevin, did you have to enter any custom settings or just set XMP 1 or 2?

 

Make them test it in XTU. Just to rule out any questions. I know you hate it but should be tested anyway.

 

not touching XTU even if you paid me

plus. I want peace of mind, I want it to all work out of the box without the need for tinkering or changing any settings. This brings back bad memories from my P870DM3 and tinkering with manual RAM settings to stabilize XMP 1 which he finally fixed though in the Prema BIOS

 

Little teaser of the internals of the laptop:

 

Not only did you dump the high clocks on processor for i7 BGA. But you dump higher clock speed on ram as well Not what I will call a nice deal. But that's me bro. You know me

 

That's nice of them to send you some teaser pics while you wait. How long before it ships?

 

1 more day

 

2800 MHz. RAM also running @ 2400 MHz on XMP Profile 1 and 2

 

had to drop down to 2666 MHz RAM as even the 2800 MHz runs only @ 2400 MHz

 

And what with the Timings? It looks like a really borked up firmware And 2400MHz is listed on MSI' web page. Maybe they live in last years tech? Anyway... Better than 2133MHz

 

Isn't it technically true that if you run two sticks instead of four, you can hit higher ram clock speeds or tighter timings? I am just curious if they tried just 32GB of the 2800mhz ram they may get better results.

 

Yes it is often the case that the smaller capacity sticks overclock better. Same also can use better timings. But bro @Phoenix want only maximum RAM size Aka 64 Gig

 

Jesus Christ those heat pipes look beefy.

 

Have you guys tried this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232309&ignorebbr=1

Yes, more ram stick and the bigger the stick capacity the larger stress it will put on the IMC.

As always, the rule of silicon lottery happens to the RAM chips and system IMC.