Official MSI GE60 & GE70 2012 Owners' Lounge

The reseller I'm speaking with has no hard release date, sadly.

If you do decide on the GE60, I bet my overclock will beat your overclock. Neener neener.

 

nope no difference for me... still clicks all over the freakin place
lets pray for a quick RMA process... just dropped it off at ups

 

Have multiple people experienced this issue? I just ordered one and I really hope I don't have to ship it back right away.

 

Re: Elan trackpad - Have any owners completely uninstalled the Elan drivers and just used the generic Windows driver? Luckily, I'm not having any issues with the trackpad, but I'm using the Windows driver.

And as for the keyboard, it's not great, but I've noticed that I don't have to press the keys as hard anymore, but maybe that's due to me getting used to it, or maybe the keys have loosened up a bit since I have been typing a lot. The relocated spacebar does take time to get used to, since it throws off your finger's 'perspective' of the other keys.

Temperatures: While 3D benchmarking (post #448), with the stock drivers, and overclocked (Base clock +130MHz; Memory Clock +700MHz), the Max CPU temp was 88 C, GPU was 85 C; room temperature was 25 C (77 F - quite warm). Uber-Fan button was pressed. Sorry, I didn't think to take any screenshots.

I'll probably run Prime95 & Furmark simultaneously in the next couple of days and post screenshots.

 

I just ordered a GE60 with the 660m video card from Amazon, said it had 6 left in stock. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0082JFCZ4/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Pretty excited as I'm currently using a Clevo 900c which is a lumbering behemoth of a laptop that only has a 7950gtx and a core2 duo. Sad that I paid almost 3k for this laptop just a few years ago and I'm only paying 1200 for an absolute upgrade. Cant wait!

 

You can try the OCCT Power Supply test. That's a pretty tortuous one.

By the way, I don't know if I've asked you this already, but is your computer completely stock? Namely, was there any repasting done on your heatsinks?

 

I don't know if it is just certain games our a driver issue but as mentioned earlier I was hitting mid 90's on high settings in bf3 but it doesn't do that in some other games so be weary overclocking until that gets figured out. Anyone else have this laptop and bf3?

 

Forge, Thanks for the link to OCCT. Never heard of that before.
I haven't done any repasting. My ambient room temps average between 75-85 F (24-30 C), and I've yet to see the CPU break 91 C, and GPU 86 C. I don't use a laptop cooler.

PharmD, I don't have BF3, but I've read that it's hard on graphics cards. Is your GPU hitting in the mid-90s, or CPU? Room temps?
Maximum operating temperature of the i7-3610QM is 105°C. Not sure about the 660M or 650M.

It would be nice if nVidia released a compatible driver for the 660M.
And still waiting for Crucial to release the M4 mSATA III SSD.

 

My thinking is that it random clicks because it looses track of your finger for a short duration of time and increasing the sensitivity makes it easier for it to keep track of your finger. But I might be wrong...

 

The MDSSD BP3s are supposed to be pretty good.

 

Very close to potentially pulling the trigger on a GE60, but I do have several concerns from conflicting reviews amongst different users.

The biggest being the build quality of the chassis, the keyboard flex and overall usability and of course the touch pad quality (including button rocker). Some say there is a lot of flex throughout the chassis and keyboard and others say it is solid, it's really hard to gauge whether or not some individuals have bad builds or just different tolerances.

 

Whoa whoa! Now thats said if i do go with the GE60 i will make sure i will come back here right away! haha

 

That was GPU temp hitting the mid 90's according to Afterburner. It is unfortunate because I really want to overclock this beast.

UPDATE: Just played a different mission and it held at 88C, the first mission seems to really tax it more so than some of the others but even at 88C that seems high to me, am I missing something?

 

I don't know, honestly. Ken ran Furmark, which beats up the GPu horribly, overclocked and only hit 75C after nearly half an hour. (I still don't know if he was using turbo fan though).

Since you and Sequencer are getting higher temps in less stressful programs I'm wondering what's up. I'm betting that when Ken ran those benchmarks he had repasted his components correctly and with a superior paste. I've seen some real horrifying stock paste jobs.

 

Trust me, it was already war! When are you getting your GE60/GE70?

 

I'm contacting Ken to throw money at him tonight or tomorrow night. I'll ask him to delay the shipment for a little bit since I'll be out of town until the 3rd.

 

No way he got 75C even with paste unless he had some sort of cooling device for the laptop, I just ran Furmark with the standard 15 minute 1080 resolution burn in test and it hit 94 but stayed steady at 93. Results are below.

The only thing that bothers me is the drivers that are showing up are the intel drivers not the GTX drivers, no idea why.

 

I'm waiting for his answer. Unless he's lying--which I strongly doubt, because he's mothereffing Ken Lee--his screenshots say it all.

I'm just wondering if it was done under the influence of turbofan.

 

I had the high speed fan button on the entire time. Not saying he is lying but it isn't stock getting those temps and it surely isn't just paste.

 

This MSI GE60 does run a bit hotter than other gaming notebooks that I've owned, but should we really be concerned about CPU/GPU temps reaching the mid-90s? Just curious.

My old Dell XPS M1530 ran much hotter (in the very high 90s C) and it was rock-solid for the 4-5 years during which it is was my main workhorse for work, digital audio production, etc. I remember playing Stalker 2 at medium settings and it was fine. It never shut down on me, even at those high temps.

This MSI is pretty thin and light considering the components inside, so I was expecting slightly higher temps with it's single fan compared to my Clevo with it's 2 fans.

 

Generally 90+ for either CPU and GPU is considered unhealthy in the long term. I know it makes me antsy. Will it instakill your laptop? No. Will it shorten your laptop's lifespan? Yeah.

This strongly reminds me of the days with an Asus G51vx, (Core 2 Duo and GTX 260m) which ran notoriously hot. They also had similar cooling systems and were a similar niche. The G51 responded to some choice hardware mods to correct some weird Asus design choices (like the sake subwoofer), and I'm hoping the GE60 will sit up and beg with some choice mods.

A single-fan dual-exhaust heat system like the GT60 would have rocked, I think, but would have driven up the cost.

 

^ ^ probably , i wish the got rid of the area where the mSata slot is and stuck in another fan. I doubt i am ever going to use msata.

After re-pasting my CPU hits max 88C and my GPU hits max 76C. Its not unreasonable but the CPU is a little high for my liking.

Gotta keep this baby free of dust or that is going to go up :O

Did you order the 660m version forge?

 

I have a problem , this laptop came with windows preinstalled on the hard drive. However I put in a 128GB SSD and installed an "upgrade" copy of windows I had lying around the house. Problem is windows is saying I cannot activate this copy of windows. The laptop did not come with any windows CDs ... what can I do?

 

wait...... someone just told me that if a gaming laptop is light, that usually means it sucks at cooling.... is that true for GE60?

 

I haven't ordered it yet, Link, but I'm planning on getting the 660m version. And I actually do like the mSATA slot, since I like having an SSD, HDD, and ODD. I wouldn't even have considered the GE60 if it wasn't for mSATA. By the way, Link, what did yo uuse to stress your machine? Games, or something like Furmark?

And when you said you had an upgrade copy, do you mean you used a separate license? All Win7 DVDs should be the same (upgrade, home premium, professional, etcetera), but the problem is with the licenses. If you had used a Win7 disc to install and then used your laptop's Win7 license, there shouldn't have been a problem.

But before I go off on tangents, I want to make sure I know the whole story. Did you use the license from the discs or the license from the laptop to activate windows?

Kinda sorta. In general, laptops than emphasize thinness will have less interior space for air to circulate, and generally have inferior heatsinks and fans. But that's a generalization. The GE60 seems to be holding up well.

 

Using the license key on the sticker that hopefully came with your laptop, you can legally download an ISO from digital river.
This works with both oem and retail keys no problem. These versions already have SP1 integrated, nice.

The media refresh version just had a tiny hotfix added. You probably just want the english home premium 64 one here:
http://msft.digitalrivercontent.net/win/X17-58997.iso

but if you want other languages check here for your link:
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/th...t-links-Multiple-Languages-X86-amp-X64/page60

If you yanked your optical drive to fit another hard drive you can stuff the windows 7 installer onto a USB stick using this:

RT Seven Lite - Downloads

then set your computer to boot off the USB stick hitting the bios key at startup and you're set

 

GPU + CPU Torture Test - Furmark + Prime95
Furmark Burn-In test 1280x720 (Defaults) + Prime95 Blend Test 8x Threads (Defaults)

Room temperature was 78 F (26 C); stock nVidia Drivers (296.31) @ Stock Clocks. Windows Power Plan was set to High Performance. Turbo-Fan button was pressed. No laptop cooler was used.

After 3 Minutes:

Spoiler

After 10 Minutes

Spoiler

nVidia GPU core clock was at 950MHz during more than half of the test but lowered to 850MHz later in the test. This is still above the base core clock of 835MHz.

Intel clocks hovered between 1.2GHz and 3.0GHz during the first half of the test and 1.2GHz and 2.5GHz during the second half.

Max GPU temp was 93 C; Max CPU Temp was 97 C!

What do you guys think? Too high?

 

Yes it says 75C OC'ed running Furmark.

It's tested with stock thermal compound and Turbo Fan on.

I do have BF3 and it's 2 DVDs required Origin account and run setup online, takes forever .

Got super busy for work recently and I'll see if I can try BF3 sometimes.

How about can you try the samething I did? OC'ed and run Furmark to see what temperature you get?

Thanks, I don't think +4000 Mhz will run stable.

Your test was with GE60 and my test was with GE70.

I haven't test Prime + Furmark, maybe you can try only OC'ed and Furmark to see what temperature you get.

I tested with GE70 Furmark version 1.82 and your version is 1.92, maybe that's why the temperature is different, I'll made a video to show you.

 

Mr. Ken, when you have a chance, try a 15-20 Furmark run with regular fan only. I'm curious how the fan scales.

 

OK will do, but I am uploading the video of GE70 OC'ed and Furmark to show PharmD right now.

 

Damn! Just ordered the GE60 but then found out that the Sager's Np9130 has a better graphic card and keyboard back lit with almost $200 bucks cheaper!!! ($1100+ vs $1300+)

Omg I seriously need some nice comment on the GE60.......

 

Here is the video with stock thermal paste, Turbo Fan on no laptop cooler and OC'ed:

MSI GE70 GTX660M Temperature test with GPU Overclocked and Furmark 1.8.2 - YouTube

Even with Furmark 1.9.2 the temperature won't go above 75C, I think you are tested with Intel HD Graphics since the driver shows Intel. I set to use nVidia Processor in nVidia Control Panel to use nVidia GPU in Global Settings.

 

Well, Sagers don't come with preinstalled OS, so if you add in Win7 it brings up the price to $1179 (at least for GenTech), which is only $20 less than the 1,199 of a GE60. GE60 is about 1.5 pounds lighter and is slimmer in the height dimension. (Though interestingly the 9130 is slightly smaller in the width dimension.)

Also, I don't think the 9130 has a backlit keyboard.

 

Furmark 1.10.1 'Burn-In benchmark 1920x1080 15min' with 'Xtreme burn-in' & 'Post-FX' options checked. (This is different than the Furmark test that Ken ran, plus he's using the larger GE70.)

Room temperature was 78 F (26 C); stock nVidia Drivers (296.31).
GPU Overclocked to +135MHz & +686MHz using nVidia Inspector 1.9.6.6.
Windows Power Plan was set to High Performance. Turbo-Fan button was pressed. No laptop cooler was used.

After 15 Minutes:

Spoiler

Max GPU temp was 91 C. Idle as I'm typing this is 37 C. I don't plan on OC'ing when gaming, so I don't think it's an issue.

Speaking of which, I still have about 10 games that I bought during the Steam sales over the past 2-3 years that I've yet to play. Metro 2033 @ DX11 1600x900 Medium averages about ~55 FPS. Very smooth.

 

I've been meaning to play Witcher 2, but I wanted to upgrade my graphics a bit before tackling it. Damn thing barely runs on low settings, haha. I also have Metro 2033, but I haven't played it either.

 

I have a GT70 and while not the same as the GE series the components and cooling are similar and I only hit 80c max with the hotter GT670M 99% of the time temps 78C.

W/ Turbo Fan I was at 76C

Anybody that has been around the forums enough or owned enough laptops should know that these scores are variable greatly based on ambient temp and that stock paste jobs also have a pretty large margin of difference between users. From the cheapest laptops to the most expensive this does not change and its not uncommon for users to do there own repaste, at least MSI made it easy to do so.

 

Hah, Vicious. Haven't seen you around these parts. I almost forgot you got an MSI.

I thought the cooling systems are different, though? The GT60/70 have single-fan, dual exhaust, while the GE60/70 have single-fan, single exhaust. Also I think the actual heatsinks are beefier.

 

Yeah your pretty spot on, I call them similar since they are both single fan systems, something like my G73 has independent dual fan and dual heatsinks is what I would consider different.

Sharing a heatsink could have some big impacts when gpu & cpu are heavily loaded at the same time but last I checked unless the benchmark has changed substantially furmark is pretty much gpu focused so there should not be a big difference in the GT70 and GE70 cooling and what margin of difference there may be I figured would be reconciled by the higher heat output of the GT670M gpu.

 

Right on, right on. I get the logic.

I'm going to have a blast clocking it up to 670m performance and then doing unspeakable thing to it to cope with heat. Oh, and...

 

Hi
I am very new to this
I recently purchased a GT70 in the US and brought it back to Aust. I'm not a gamer but wanted a fair bit of grunt so I got the retailer to stick a 240Gb SSD and max out the RAM.

They couldn't get the recovery discs to load up on the SSD nor could they clone it. Two days later they told me the only way out would be to install a Windows 7 fresh up and install all the drivers from the website.

No problem I THOUGHT.

After three weeks, I am ALMOST entirely done. BUT, I cannot get the webcam to work and some of the software from the original install is not available to me - the other problem is that the DVD burner does not burn the recovery properly - 9 discs and three attempts later, I wrote to MSI and they do not want to know about it.

Can anyone here help me please?

Thanks
Omid

BTW, this PC has the worst keyboard I have ever used. so there (o:

 

FN+F6 to enable the webcam.

 

Best Buy is now showing GE60 with 660m for $1099 on their site. Enjoy

 

wow, and all other online retailers are selling for 1199$, and I ordered mine recently too =(

Edit: is the advertisement correct? It mentions how it has a backlit keyboard and for 100$ less too.

 

yea i'm not sure, but I tried very low, med, and high sensitivity, and it didn't affect the clicking... it just affected how the mouse would move, still very bad...

 

Has anyone had any RMA experience with MSI? My laptop was supposed to have arrived yesterday but their RMA tracker hasn't hit "arrived" yet. Does anyone know if this is normal?

 

Re: Best Buy MSI GE60 - It looks like it has the 2 year warranty, but just as a word of caution - sometimes the notebooks that manufacturers send to Best Buy are different that the ones you'll see on other retailers' websites. For example, I purchased 2 ASUS ROG laptops from Best Buy and the warranty was only one year and the clocks on the nVidia GPUs were ~20% lower than stock. But the Best Buy price was lower.

By the way, the keyboard on the MSI GE60 (and probably the GE70) is almost unacceptable to type on. So if you plan on doing a lot office work on it like I do, you may really dislike it.

 

So it seems you and I had similar results and it appears that the GE70's are staying cooler, possibly because they have a large frame. It only makes sense that the GE60 would be hotter but not that much hotter. It does bother me a bit that it could shorten the life though. I will get it repasted at some point and post results but come on MSI.

 

just drill some extra holes?

 

How does Skyrim run on the GE60 with the 660m? I plan on using this as my primary platform for games and movies on my upcoming deployment to Afghanistan. Its currently shipped and it is replacing my giant Clevo 900c.

Also how would this laptop fair when using it on your lap in bed? With the primary cooling fans on the side it seems like it wouldn't be so bad when playing games as long as the vents are clear.

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Thank you for your reply

I had already done that but still no joy

any further help?