Presenting the All-New Intel 10th Gen MSI "GS66"!

New for 2020.....the MSI GS66 10th Gen (re-designed):

 

pole position!!!

Awesome!!! Easy Upgrade!!! ;D

 

Already preordered mine, I'll make a review on it.

 

Does this also have easy access to the CPU and GPU for repasting?

 

Should be, we will do a full video review.

 

Where did u preorder?

 

Still no Gsync? Love my Gsync
With a 240Mhz is Gsync even necessary? Is screen tearing noticible?

 

With my 144hz GS75 its not noticeable until i look for it. After that it stays noticeable. Just dont look for it and youll be fine. Its much less glaring than on 60hz displays

 

That’s what Im afraid of, I currently have a fantastic 144hz 500nit HDR Gsync screen on my Lenovo and love it but a little hesitant getting another laptop without Gsync

 

It does seem Nvidia and Lenovo promises the next gen of Legion laptops can have Gsync + Optimus (called "Advanced Optimus") at the same time (no more BIOS switching), though that's probably better suited for a Lenovo Legion thread.

The images certainly imply as such. It would be somewhat ironic if they finally flipped the mobo around, just to have the chassis open from the KB instead. That's just a joke; I don't think they did anything as backwards as that.

 

core i9 with 6 cores?

something doesn't sound right.

 

Why the heck are these companies not going AMD for high end?? Intel high end processors are objectively bad. I hope AMD releases a laptop with 2080 super + R9 4900HS/H

 

i9 and i7-10875H are both 8 cores. It's the i7-10750H is 6 cores.

 

Wow guys check this out!



Edit: Looks like GS65 users can upgrade the fan blades to the GS66 ones.

 

Just the fan blades? That wouldn't have a noticeable effect on temps.

Replacing the whole heatsink is the way to go if it fits.

 

excuse the scuff editing im on the gs65 on bed doing this lol...

anyways by the looks of it aside from the io/usb/etc.. ports moved around it shares very similar layout with the placement just flipped, of course with a different chipset but you could possibly use the same cooling if the sizes are correct... unfortunately it looks like they still do the triple screw mount on the cpu and gpu so maybe less pressure on the cpu again unless they made it more thick, just my speculations

 

Well the fan socket on the GPU side has also been moved closer to the 2 fans on the GS66, dimension wise the inner heat pipe on the GPU fan plate might add some difficulties to the swap.

 

How hot do you think the new intel chips will run? and think it'll even be that big of a boost from like an 8750h?

 

Hot and thermal/power throttle. As for 8750h, no unless you go with one of the 8 core SKUs and have the workflow that would make use of it (but that's also the case if you went with an 8 core 9th gen).

 

On last gen GS75s with the i9 9880H LM is a must to keep temperatures down in the 90s at stock when running prime 95. There is a way to bypass the stock power limit though and allow the cpu to draw 140w at all times and run at max all core boost but will require max fans and no gpu load to stop it from thermal throttling.

 

Well whenever they do a TDP rating its not with it boosting or running at full speeds, most likely at stock or base clocks. Slim or thin like laptops will not be able to sustain cooling for that amount of heat without upping the fans to max, undervolting, or ultimately applying liquid metal. Applying liquid metal has always been the last resort since they would void warranty unless applied by the reseller and backed by their warranty. With other manufacturers leaning towards applying them out of the box can be a good thing but at the same time its their answer to the added heat these units are pushing out. 14nm to 10nm is good but not a drastic as say 14nm to 7nm as seen with AMD. With AMD you're starting to see that good performance with low to medium fans where an Intel comparable would be at medium to high. Not to say AMD doesnt get hot, they also do now that they're pushing for more cores.

With the GS66 and GE66 coming soon 14nm to 10nm will be a slight improve, and cooling innovations with say more heatpipes, fins, improved fans will make it again bearable or getting by again with the Intel team. Putting tweaks, undervolting, and even change in thermal paste will improve it again just like last gen but again we go back to this... +2/+4.. 2 more cores and 4 more threads... the 6/12 or even 6/6 variants, maybe if they have an 8/8 it will fair better than lets say an 8/16 and Intel is trying to push for the 5.3GHz boost which will still put you on top of some benchmarks but not so much IPC improvements.

 

Applying LM has always been the first thing I do when getting a new laptop. The improvement is just too great give up. As for warranty, just send it back with paste and if they void it due to heatsink LM stains, the worst that will happen is that you'll need to buy a replacement heatsink and send that back.

And 10nm H series processors aren't coming to laptops anytime soon. We haven't even see desktop 10nm processors and already know that the 10th gen desktop is still based on the 14nm++++++++++++++++++++ process.

10th gen laptops either come with beefed up cooling systems (GS66), LM (Asus) or go on a one way trip to thermal throttle land.

 

Opps! Yikes! if thats the case then may God help us all!

So in that case then it will run even more hotter and the "better" cooling will only compensate for the higher frequency/heat that this thing will generate. ASUS will probably fair better in terms of getting by once their systems are pre-LM'd.

GS66 will fair better if they have fixed the mounting pressure or if 2 smaller heatpipe will improve over the one bigger but aside from that it will be hard to sustain cooler temps again without LM, undervolting/underclocking etc...

 

Doubt the mounting pressure is any better, its still a tripod design.

By the way, the cpu has THREE heatpipes now, not two. They adopted cooler boost trinity + from the GS75 and added a heatpipe that extends over to the gpu heatsinks as well so youll have additional cooling when the gpu is not being used.


The improved placement of the heatpipes will no doubt help deal with cpu temps massively. I also like the fact that heatpipes on metal fan housings is finally catching on (see GS66 GPU side), heatsink modders have been doing this for years as while they dont have much surface area, they are basically room temperature.

 

Ah I see it now but still skeptical as the two heatpipes are higher while the third one is a bit lower, nonetheless it help with overall cooling but still if the 6/12 variant had issues with cooling then an 8/16 will have even more issues and the advertised 5.3GHz single would be on a cooler/perfect environment or non sustained.

And yeah the tripod design sucks, when I moved down from GT to GS I saw big drop in mounting.

 

So, are we ready to flash the 2080 super max q bios to our machines? hahaha

 

Different core count so probably won't work

The 115w 2060 vbios is hella juicy tho.

 

U tried this one? im still getting used to the 90w one

 

next gen 2060 laptops will come with a 115w vbios so you can request the vbios from new owners.

 

Alright tried to scale this a bit more to see the differences.

 

If we just look at it this way it will work. But what about the thickness?

The new gs66 is thicker than the existing Gs65 after all

 

That is true, someone should go test it! the part is listed on Ali for $105, any takers?

 

Just wanted to throw this out here, the MSI gaming channel on YouTube is going live Tomorrow at 10:00am EST for an inside look in the gs66. Just search for 'msi gs66 stealth' on YouTube and sort by upload date, and the first option should show this. I'm guessing some other reviewers will probably be uploading their reviews as well at midnight, or slightly later.

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yuck.

Why are they saving up on the retention screws? 5 screws hold all of the heatsink.

 

I’ve seen ASUS laptops going with LM but doesn’t that dry out quicker than traditional paste?
I have no problem repasting my laptop but heard LM needs to be repasted a few times a year and can corrode some heat sinks. Admittedly I don’t know much about using LM or applying it

 

not sure our vrms can handle that much juice though

 

They definitely can.

In VRMs the peak of the efficiency curve lies somewhere in the 30-50% load region which is what most manufacturers design around.

In my GS75 there are 5 NCP 303150 mosfets
https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...FjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2YaV4xciq8KWhHLhHtlT51

So at stock 90w
90w/0.75v = 120A

Thats 24A per mosfet. Very close to the peak of the efficiency curve.

These mosfets can handle 50A average draws but nobody runs them at 50A as you'll get a ridiculous amount of heat, about 12w of heat per phase which means 60w of heat just from the Vrms.

With the 115w vbios the vrms will be less efficient and run a bit hotter but it will run fine.

 

Rumor has it, the GS66 supports optimus and G-Sync.
Can anyone confirm?

 

Just got some bad news all around for 10th gen Intel parts.

They can no longer be undervolted as they will come with the plundervolt mitigation by dafault.

It's just a great big F you from Intel.

 

I just read a review where this laptop is undervolted with an i7 10875.

 

That's pretty bad if owners can't undervolt/overvolt these machines.
Maybe it had been fixed by Intel? With mitigation but also with undervolt capability left alone?

 

Can you link it?

 

https://www.purepc.pl/test-msi-gs66-z-intel-core-i7-10875h-oraz-geforce-rtx-2080-super

 

Thanks.

Translated link for anyone who wants to check it out : https://translate.googleusercontent...-super&usg=ALkJrhiIKXLyTd_Jzk2ifr2TOmVVjyuYWw

It's a pretty good and in depth review.

In any case, if you look at their undervolting results, you'll notice that although they attempt to undervolt, the undervolt is not applying.

Take a look


You'll notice that their IA voltage offset is 0.000v

This is what it should look like. (from my GS75)


Notice how IA voltage offset is -0.125v? I'm undervolting my cpu by 125mv and igpu by 75mv.

They attempted to undervolt but didn't verify it after clicking apply.

 

Do you think the i7-10750/rtx2060 would have lower temps under full load?

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Yeah for sure. They are lower power parts after all.

 

It is worth adding that the processor in this review is an engineering sample, so it may differ from the final version in terms of undervolting.

 

Some additional benchmarks In this article as well:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/first-tests-are-nvidias-geforce-rtx-super-laptop-chips-a-big-step-up

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This entire refresh (nvidia & especially intel) is starting to become more disappointing then originally expected. If voltage is locked and you can't undervolt the 10th gen CPUs, it's very likely we'll see 9th gen undervolted CPUs outperforming the 10th gen ones. As for nvidia, there are gains, but they're smaller then expected at 10-20%
Really not sure what I'm going to do now as I was ready to grab this laptop but given the negligible performance gains and at same price it's hard to justify the purchase (except I kinda need a new laptop). I think i'll need to hold out until more reviews arrive comparing the gs66 to something like g15.
If I could hold out till Turing on mobile arrives, and either more laptops with zen or Intel's 10nm H CPUs, I would but I don't expect for that to happen for another 1.5 years and there's just no way I can wait that long. Kinda sucks to be in the market for a new laptop right now.

 

Yeah performance is looking somewhat disappointing. I held off from the g14 because of the limited ram upgradability and screen ghosting issues. But will probably stick with the gs66 at this point in time (I'm getting the i7-10750 and rtx2060.

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