Presenting the All-New Intel 10th Gen MSI "GS66"!

Also doing a search and thinking this would be the replacement resistor? https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetai...2-R005-J-LF-SLT?qs=o5/BfEwRdctXWqhIbic%2BjQ==

 

Hey thanks for the invite and joined the discord. Also if I need to replace the R0005 I can just get like more powerful resistors right? What would you recommend?

 

I can't exaclty recommend any shunt resistors as the deciding factor would be the size. Otherwise all R005 shunts will behave identically

 

Looks like it's working fine as is so I'm going to leave it until it finally breaks. If it does I guess I will get a R005 resistor from mouser and get a repair shop that specializes in soldering to do this for me. I think I've messed up too many times. hahaha

 

Hi, everyone

I've recently got myself a GS66-10SE with i7-10875 and 2060. My main usage scenario is connecting it to Razer Core X Chroma with 2080ti inside and 100w over PD seems to be more than enough to feed the 10875. But when I connect the laptop to Core I have poor CPU performance (just like on battery, with 2,5 GHz on all cores under load) and XTU showing Current/EDP Limit Throttling, even when Windows says "Plugged in".

Is there a way to raise this limit or Power Delivery over Thunderbolt is strictly for charging the unit in this case?

 

PD over Thunderbolt is strictly for charging only to my knowledge and Thunderbolt only supports up to 100W according to here: https://thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all

Also if you take a look at the power usage of CPU and GPU (CPU 45W and GPU 80W on full) I don't think 100W would let it run fully.

 

Wow I always thought TB3 could handle more power...Im cool not having the port now.

Have you done any benched with the egpu 2080 ti??I'm curious now to see what that things putting up with only 100w power..Haha probably still 14k timespy

 

And does anyone know how I can get my bclk to the full 100mhz?This 99.7 is killing me..I can only adjust spread spectrum I don't see any otion to turn it off completely..Right now the spread says 47.

Im trying to get that #1 timespy for the 10750h haha im like 70 points away last I checked.

 

The whole thing with tb3 was for fast data transfers. I think the power delivery was second. I mean it's crazy fast external transfer speeds on a tb3 so I don't mind having it.

 

@werdmonkey4321 where did you find this calculation for the shunt resistors?
12*0.0333333333/(1/(1/0.005+1/(1.00*0.03)))
I'm wondering what resistor rating I can use when using a 90W vbios. The above formula goes out of 80W

 

So first off thanks to @seanwee for the help and @werdmonkey4321 for the inspiration to try it. Shunt mod didn't work well for me so ended up replacing the resistors themselves and now timespy scores are 2nd in the world. Glad to say it was a success! Scores here: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/14437272

 

@nyichiban which shunt resistors did you use to replace them? Do you have any idea of the wattage it uses now?

 

The rough formula is

P_new = P_original(1+R_original/R_new), where

P_new = desired new power limit

P_original = original power limit

R_original = resistance of the original shunt resistors

R_new = resistance of the resistor your soldering on

You can derive it using ohm's law and the power law. This formula estimates raw power draw. Some of it is lost as heat at the VRMs, so the amount the GPU will actually use is slightly less. Also P_original should actually be the wattage of the GPU plus any lost as heat, but you can just use your GPU's stated power limit as a surrogate. So for example on the GS66 you can just set P_original = 80W for all models.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSILaptops/comments/ie9l8y/shunt_modding_gs66/

 

Thanks alot for the great guide. Really helpful!

 

I used r003 smd resistors to replace the onboard r005 resistors.

 

Nice!!I'm right behind you with around 9840 and 10200+ graphics and I only gotta i7 10750h. You can definitely get that score higher https://www.3dmark.com/spy/14412227
Have you overclocked your ram or tightened the timings?

 

What did you do to yours? Did you shunt mod it? I'm not too worried about the CPU score side as I want to get the GPU score higher. Tightening the memory wouldn't affect the GPU score and I can't really tighten it since it's not even running at the rated speed since it's not a memory supported by MSI supposedly.

 

No shunt just configuring a lot of stuff in bios.It was a lot of trial/error...Turning off all the aspm,clock gating and spread spectrum clocking for the PEG,PCIE and DMI definitely made noticeable performance improvements.Then just undervolting/overclockimg in afterburner...It took a lot of time googling different bios settings to get it running this good.

 

I've noticed timespy really likes memory overclocks to.Id probably crash in most games if I ran my memory 1300+ like I do for timespy.

 

Yea I ran mine at +165 for the core and +1375 for the memory in MSI afterburner. Did not undervolt the card but I might if it can give me stable overclocks.

 

Damn most I could get up to was 145 core and that was awhile back when I could still adjust core voltage.I think a driver update disabled it because now it just resets soon as I hit apply and when I do it with precision x1 its not making any difference in stability like it used to so I think it got disabled in the past month or 2.I been meaning to roll back to see if it works again.

And undervolting is definitely worth it with the max q cards so the clock isn't bouncing all over the place.Instead of one flat line I start at like 1650mhz/731mv and flatten it for a couple points then go up some more flatten it again a couple more times til I level it off at the highest frequency I can get stable at .950mv.
I got more of a bent stair case then a curve lol.
If anyone got anything I can do to improve this i'm all ears.

 

Have you seen this 100w 2080 super max q vbios?Check out this thread..... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/razer-blade-pro-17-2080-max-q-vbios.829747/

Now my question is since Im using the 90w original vbios but am able to boost up to 105w+ with dynamic boost enabled if I went and flashed this 100w vbios over my 90w would I still be able to enable dynamic boost so it can draw even more power (possibly 115-120w+or do you think it would be stuck at just 100w and dynamic boost would be removed from nividia control panel?

I always thought 90w was the max the 2080 super max q went up to..If I can find a link to the 100w im gonna go ahead and flash it and report back.

 

I wonder do you have the GPU-Z page of your GE66? I'm thinking of flashing the vBIOS to my laptop but I'm worried about device ID mismatch so I just want to make sure

 

Yea i gave it to someone else in this thread I think.He posted it off google drive a few pages back.This is the device id-
10DE 1E93-1462 12B4

 

Wait, you have dynamic boost working on the GS66? How?

 

Like his name implies he has the GE66 not the GS66. I was able to get the vbios from his GE66 and put it on my GS66. It did give me better performance but ultimately I did a shunt mod on my GS66 with R003 resistors and it does have the highest Timespy score for a GS66 laptop.

 

I noticed that dynamic boost is connected to a driver called Nvidia platform controller/framework or something like that lol..I'll get the exact name later but you can find it in device manager under software devices...I had trouble getting dynamic boost to show back up in the NvCp until I found and updated that driver tucked away..I might of had to show hidden devices to see it...
But regardless I wanted to share for the chance anyone that flashed to the Ge66. Vbios might be able to get it to work on there GS66 or whatever model...I know nvidia said it's coded into the specific model but it's still worth a shot..That extra 15w of power really comes through in both benchmarks and games...Id say at 100% GPU load it's about 130-150Mhz core clock difference.

 

While I can't speak specifically to your device, when I flashed a 90W on my 80W gs65 I was able to pull over 90W on occassion.

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I've noticed that most GPU's will have spikes over there set power limit regardless.There's times when gaming I'll see my OSD or HwInfo report all the way up to 148w gpu power.Those are only spikes though It never holds past the set limits for more then a couple seconds before throttling down...All that power doesn't do any good anyway if it doesn't go to the core anyway...
I gave up on flashing a higher power vbios for now anyway haha...I'm to burnt out to keep up with all these different but really similar named GPU's i'll probably flash a completely different product with how wrapped up I get in this.

And this is the driver I know is connected to dynamic boost..The option for it would not show up in NvCpl until I updated/installed this-
NVIDIA Platform Controllers and Framework...Driver version-27.21.14.5645....Provided by Nvidia and Signed with Microsoft Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher....File named nvpcf.sys

 

I have interesting find/issue on my GS66. I have tested this many ways and I can't figure it out.
When my laptop is tilted up vertical, ONLY when the CPU or GPU is underload, there is a strange dripping like noise that is high pitched. I thought originally it must be a fan. However, I dont think so. I can put the laptop in a vertical position and turns the fans on turbo running @ 6500 RPMS and the dripping noise isnt there. I can run TS Bench on ThrottleStop and I hear the noise immediately. Even with the fans off. I noticed this noise back in April when I got the laptop. I have repasted multiple times and put K5 Pro on all the VRAM and Voltage regs for the GPU. I havent seen anything weird that would be making this noise.

Does anyone have an idea. At this point it is such a mystery to me I just want to know what it is. I only care because I want to make sure it isnt harmful..as I would like to use a vertical laptop stand when plugged into external monitors.

 

same here

 

Wish i could ifnd one for the 2070s mq

 

I saw someone beat my score on the leaderboard in Time Spy recently so I decided to take back the top spot.

Here are the results.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Max-Q video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-10750H,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16V1 (3dmark.com)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Max-Q video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-10750H,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16V1 (3dmark.com)

Just to give some context of the stock performance of the GS66 with an 80W 2070 Super Max-Q

Time Spy graphics: ~7080
Fire Strike graphics: ~18900


After the shunt mod(130-140W) and overclock these are the scores I get.

Time Spy graphics: 9895 (+39.8%) DX12
Fire Strike graphics: 25456(+34.7%) DX11

 

Did you do any updates to your system since the original mods you did? I don't think I was able to beat those Chinese modders with my setup. Originally had the top 3 spot but bumped allllll the way down now to past 100 lol. Still though it is second best in the US at least.

 

The only thing I did was increase the wattage to 130-140W and tweaked the overclock a little bit. The rest of the mods stayed the same.

Otherwise, I did what Hakanese suggested to do when benchmarking. I didn't know about some of these settings when I benchmarked previously.

• Go to Nvidia Control Panel by right-clicking your desktop, go to Manage 3d Settings.
• Max Frame Rate Off
• Power management mode set to Prefer Maximum Performance
• Texture filtering - Quality High Performance
• then click apply

Unplugged any peripherals I had connected and turned off RGB lighting. Turned off Bluetooth and wifi by going into airplane mode. Closed any running background apps except Throttlestop. Turned on Coolerboost and then started benching.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/18733425

My best run with the $1099 Best Buy GS66 I picked up a couple weeks ago.

 

That's a very nice score for 2060. I am guessing you used a higher wattage vbios?

 

The 115w 2060 vBIOS from HP. This vBIOS preserves MUX for dGPU or iGPU, and all video outs work. The MSI version kills dGPU to internal display and kills both TB3 outputs for DP. Luckily the HP version is flawless

Since the laptop comes with a small Delta 180w adapter I need to be concerned about power. So I used a killawatt to measure draw. At full tilt it can pull 200w.

With a small undervolt to both CPU and GPU I am right at 170-175w under heavy load.