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    Presenting the All-New Intel 10th Gen MSI "GS66"!

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Apr 2, 2020.

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    Thanks!
     
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    Couple more reviews out on youtube:





    Dave Lee discusses that there is no support for undervolting on the 10th gen cpus (as has already been mentioned in this thread).
     
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    At this point I consider it thoroughly confirmed that undervolting via software is a no go for the foreseeable future. What interests me most now is whether or not we can undervolt via the BIOS on the GS66.
     
    dalingrin, Apr 22, 2020
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    on the GS66, do the displays connected to the TB3 or USB-C ports get accelerated by the Nvidia DGPU? Does it support dual monitors over TB3?
     
    tonysunshine, Apr 22, 2020
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    And that really sucks and kills almost all interest I have for new laptops, was really looking forward to this laptop and at this point I might be willing to at least wait for a more substantial increase in GPU power and wait for the RTX 3000 series , hopefully more OEM’s start using the 35W AMD CPU’s.
     
    IKAS V, Apr 22, 2020
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    What's weird is that TechChap says he measured only 180-190nits peak brightness (mentioning that it's not bright enough), vs Dave2D says it's bright with a peak of 310nits
     
    Svegetto, Apr 22, 2020
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    Yeah I noticed that too. Maybe they had different screens? I think Its possible, but not likely since both screens are the 300hz variety. Maybe TechChap just got a dud for a screen?

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
    rahz, Apr 22, 2020
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    I'm guessing it was some powersave setting rather than a physical difference in screens/
     
    dalingrin, Apr 22, 2020
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    Yeah I can try and let you know.
     
    GenTechPC, Apr 22, 2020
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    Also a very plausible scenario

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
    rahz, Apr 22, 2020
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    i reckon ud loose the mDP
     
    eurodj101, Apr 22, 2020
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    Maybe. But quite a lot of people don't use mDP so they should be fine.
     
    seanwee, Apr 22, 2020
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    sadly i sometimes use it for VR fortunately that 90w bios @xLima found works wonderfully hell it even likes to be ocd cause the extra power is wasted without an oc, though if we can get it towork and its safe hey it might be worth a shot for the extra performance
     
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    The GS66 doesn't have mDP does it? It only has Thunderbolt and HDMI afaik
     
    dalingrin, Apr 23, 2020
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    For those of you looking for the 037 variant (RTX2070, 32gb ram, 300hz), Adorama is showing that they have this model in stock:

    https://www.adorama.com/msigs66037.html

    For those of you local to NYC, store pickup is available for tomorrow as well.
     
    rahz, Apr 23, 2020
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    Anyone know where the 2080 and i9 is in stock?
     
    Destinatus, Apr 23, 2020
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    Don't believe that one has come in stock anywhere yet. Must retailer's should be getting them in sometime next week I think.

    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
    rahz, Apr 23, 2020
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    Bios 4 finger salute still works on the 10980HK. However "Overclocking feature" is disabled by default.

    https://imgur.com/a/I3Em4Ul

    *edit*

    I'm on a discord chat with the guy who owns that laptop.
    -140mv undervolt worked after overclocking controls were re-enabled in the BIOS.

    -140mv, 10980HK:
    70W package power, 76C

    0mv:
    91W package power, 93C.

    Loadline crap

    image0.jpg
     
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    Falkentyne, Apr 23, 2020
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    The Key combination still works?
     
    hackness, Apr 23, 2020
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    Yes it still works.
    I guess MSI knows it drives sales.
     
    Falkentyne, Apr 23, 2020
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    BIOS unlock still works, haven't got much time to play with it yet. MSI-BIOS-10th-Gen.JPG
     
    GenTechPC, Apr 24, 2020
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    Long time no see. :)


    Yes still available. The upated BIOS interface are still look the same as old version, but now it supports mouse.
     
    GenTechPC, Apr 24, 2020
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    So, its confirmed that at least via BIOS undervolting works?
     
    senso, Apr 24, 2020
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    For unlocked cpus definitely. Even Intel is not dumb enough to lock their overclockable chips.

    The question is what about the locked cpus like the i7 10750H and 10875H
     
    seanwee, Apr 24, 2020
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    In theory they all run the same micro-code, so they should all at least allow undervolting on BIOS and disable that after boot to prevent plundervolt type exploits to be usable.
     
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    The chips that are used in most laptops unless you want to shell out 3k for a BGA laptop.
     
    G46VW, Apr 24, 2020
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    What?
     
    seanwee, Apr 24, 2020
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    He is saying that for now we know that the HK CPU can be undervolted in BIOS, but that CPU is usually only available on laptops starting at 3k, but I'm surprised that the 10980HK is available with the 2070 Super(plus 32GB RAM and 1TB NVMe) at "just" 2.7-2.8k on this chassis.

    What I'm still not sure is if it has Thunderbolt or not, but seems like it doesn't, at least doesn't seem like the GE66 has TB3..
     
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    Jarrod tech review with thermals discussed, as expected the cpu is toasty.



    Sent from my LM-V600 using Tapatalk
     
    rahz, Apr 24, 2020
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    What makes you think the GS66 doesn't TB3? All the specs I've seen say it has it.
     
    dalingrin, Apr 24, 2020
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    The GS does have, the GE doesn't, they have to differentiate the products someway, but its a bit dumb to not have TB on a current gen laptop :(
     
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    none gsync tearing is definitely noticeable btw. I am on 144hz and I can see it really easily.
     
    Casowen, Apr 24, 2020
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    hmm odd, wth would MSI not add G-sync too these new laptops?
     
    G46VW, Apr 24, 2020
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    You have the version with the 144hz screen? Wonder how noticeable it would be with either the 240 or 300hz

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    rahz, Apr 24, 2020
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    I think someone should make an owner's lounge for this laptop and the GE75, considering they are available for purchase from a few places now.
     
    Falkentyne, Apr 24, 2020
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    that made my day.
    now i just need to find it in stock and decide liquid metal or not.
     
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    Which model are you looking for? Adorama has the 2070 version in stock

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    2080 with i9.
    I always max out laptop specs and never look back.
     
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    Thats good news, how does it work? Can we choose how much we can undervolt then?
     
    G46VW, Apr 25, 2020
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    I hear ya. I went middle ground, 2070 and i7 10750. Arriving on Tuesday, can't wait!

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    So XTU works as it should when enabling the XTU interface in the BIOS like before?
     
    IKAS V, Apr 25, 2020
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    MSI made a gigantic mistake by allowing a debuggable bios to be downloaded before the Intel embargo expires...
     
    Falkentyne, Apr 25, 2020
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    What Intel embargo? The H series 10th Gen NDA was lifted in April 15th. The BIOS in their website is dated April 17th.
     
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    The embargo on desktop processor and overclocking features.
    Which can be found by looking at the "hidden" bios options in laptops.
    But only MSI (possibly Clevo) allows people to even see the hidden options.

    The AMI base bios code is mostly unchanged on almost all laptops and desktops. ODM's either request for extra settings or add their own options into the UEFI for their platform needs. Example, loadline calibration, RGB Vomit controls @Papusan and proper fixed voltage control are not part of the AMI base code because it requires communicating directly with the VRM, or other ODM specific IC's, and that's system specific. "Override" voltages in laptops don't change vcore. Changing vcore requires accessing the VRM directly. It changes VID and then whatever VRM is accessed is done via Serial VID communication, which is an Intel spec. The base loadline spec is from Intel, however. Loadline calibration is not.
     
    Falkentyne, Apr 25, 2020
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    My guess is they are really tired of paying for nvidia's licensing for it. Normal vsync works good enough.
     
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