Questions about the Thermal Performance of the GE63 Raider (15.6", 8750H, 1070)

I have got a couple of questions and points about the thermal performance of the MSI GE63 Raider 8th Gen (8750H, 1070, 15.6" 120Hz 3ms).

1. The 8th Gen Hexa-Core BGA processors are (expectedly) hotter than their predecessors. Most manufacturers have not taken that into account when releasing their 8th Gen portfolios (or they don't care).

2. I am appealing the @Donald@HIDevolution and the rest of his company (bro @Phoenix help me here) to stock (at least a few) GE63s with the above basic specs. Your Conductonaut repaste + Fujipoly repad is probably the best in the business. Your Global Warranty is very useful to someone like me as well.

3. @Prostar Computer stocks a GE63 with the above specs and offers a Kryonaut repaste, which is pretty good. Could you guys please tell me what your temps are for the above model repasted with Kryonaut after 30 mins of AIDA64 Stress Test? I can infer even lower temperatures when undervolting.

4. Could Pro-Star also tell me what sort of fan noise to expect (max load, gaming, web browsing, idle)?

Thanks a lot everyone.

 

I wish we had AIDA, and not just so I can better chime in on the results. As for the fans, this sort of thing is always tricky to speak for; everyone's perception of "too noisy" is different, hearing ability varies, environment, load, etc. I think it's safe to say max fans aren't something you'd want in a quiet/restricted environment (e.g. a library, or a lecture hall), but emissions are pretty tolerable otherwise, especially at modest load.

 

We do not have access to that SKU...but Pro-Star does.

 

Fair enough. Thanks for the fan noise info. What highly demanding stress test can you do on a unit repasted with Kryonaut? I'm looking for temperatures since those are a critical criterion for me. Thanks again.


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No problem bro. You guys are still awesome.


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If we're upgrading the TIM, we'd run the system through our usual stability test routine, including various tests isolated to the CPU and then the GPU. If you have any special requests on software, PM me and I can pass it along to production and our sales team; we may be able to get something going, and report back the temps.

 

PM sent.

 

so how's the temp out of the box?

 

Did not buy it in the end, had to deal with some unexpected medical bills which I will (hopefully) finish paying soon. Then will start thinking about which laptop to buy.


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Wait a bit longer, and see how things go as we are near winter season.

 

Might as well not rush things at this point, and hold out for news on the mobile RTX cards.

 

Very good advice guys, thank you both


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Keep away from 'Thin' gaming notebooks, the GP/GS63 in particular.
They have an overheating problem that effects the heatpipes in such a way they warp causing the CPU/GPU contact surface to lift, resulting in aggressive overheating, fan noise and failure.
They are also prone to board warpage, causing stress in the traces and solder joints, and intermittent failures that will impossible to troubleshoot when the board is cool.
Read this @ MSI Forum: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=307136.0
THINK THICK, 10 Pipes! ..... BIG Fans ..... GT75!
Think of this as Geek porn.....


Linus from TechTips ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXuqSBlHAE6Xw-yeJA0Tunw ) recently did a really good review of the i9 in the 2018 MB Pro.
At 9:30 he address's this issue of over heating and throttling in thin notebooks, its worthwhile watching the whole review as an industry generalization regarding 'Thin' notebooks.



The GP/GS63 is a service centers dream, they get to bill MSI numerous times for the same notebook.
I guarantee that they will have it more than you in the 1st 2 years of ownership.
Page after page of issues posted @ the MSI forum.

 

That MSI heatsink is horrible.
They used the same 3 heatpipes as the 4 core version and simply extended 1 heatpipe to a new HALF SIZED RADIATOR, and cut off half the GPU VRM radiator for it to work, and THEN the stacked the GPU radiator on top of the CPU radiator, which requires to repaste the CPU, you MUST remove the ENTIRE GPU heatsink and VRM sink!

On the GT73VR, the CPU only had 1 radiator but it was separated and this was just a 4 core system so this was 'okay', although it could still have been better.





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But for the GT75 Titan, MSI cheaped out and did this: Look:



This is what MSI *SHOULD* have done.
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I guess you are a better computer engineer and designer than MSI.....Maybe you should tell the what their doing wrong and how to do it.
Fortunately MSI they designed a system for the GT75 hat has NOT gone over 65°C (CPU or GPU), in stock settings, playing in ultra.
I actually expect you to argue the point I made regarding the cooling, by removing the cooling and forcing an overheat and a thermal shutdown ..... Just to prove it can.
This is the kind of thinking that is unproductive and a waist of time, just as your post demonstrates. There is no point or conclusion to your post, it can be easily dismissed as a 'RANT', as the cooling properties of the GT75 dismiss's your "That MSI heatsink is horrible" comment.
You like your GT73, I like my GT75.....BTW the GT73 sucks.

 

Did you even read my post?
All I see you is flaming and ignoring everything I said.
MSI already fixed this system on the WT75 and upcoming F7.
That's how it should be
@yrekabakery agrees with me
@Papusan agrees with me
@Mr. Fox agrees with me.
While you're just spewing abusive ad hominem fallacies to defend your jokebook purchase.


Therefore you go on ignore forever now. Cya.

 

I highly doubt a stock GT75 can keep a 6-core and GTX 1080 below 65C in Battlefield 1 64-player multiplayer with unlocked FPS.

It doesn't take a strong engineering background to see that the WT75 has a more balanced heatsink configuration than the GT75.

 

HWiNFO64 will tell you immediately if the product is an engineering abortion or not. Doesn't take a rocket science degree to play a game and look at what happened. The numbers don't lie. If the temps suck running stock, then the people that designed it suck (or just don't care). Having a job as an engineer (or any other profession) and getting a paycheck for doing that job doesn't necessarily mean the person is good at it. In fact, it often seems to not be the case.

 

@Falkentyne - I agree with you, 100%. You may or may not remember me from the early days of @Phoenix 's review thread for the GT75 and the GT75 thread, but I have read all your posts (from when you identified the BIOS settings problem). If I had the money for a high-end DTR, it would definitely go to something that will hopefully go on sale soon after the F7, which is HIDevolution's (tagging @Donald@HIDevolution here) version since that will hopefully have @Prema BIOS. That would be a true beast.


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