The Official MSI GT60/70 970m/980m Upgrade Thread

where's that market ? can you give me a link ?

 

Scroll to the bottom of the main forum page? Or google search it

 

Hi Guys

I'd like to ask you if is necessary to have a 230W power supply for the GTX 980M.
I'm pretending to buy a new card, however I don't know if I can have problems using a 180W power supply.

I've searched a lot, and saw some CLEVO laptops that have a i7 CPU (47W) and the 980M (P650SG/P651SG/P150SM-A) using a 180W power supply.
And for the GTX 970M they put a 150W power supply.

I've already ordered a new heatsink for my GT60: https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEYQFjAD&url=http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Original-laptop-CPU-cooling-heatsink-radiator-fit-for-MSI-GT60-GT70-GTX870-GTX880-GTX970-GTX980/1167701_32265347719.html&ei=b6pXVZ7nIMjCggSkh4GIDw&usg=AFQjCNHviE-xGJ4BoqPAdGWyXU6l3XYwbw&sig2=3bteyC5UKx4F-I94p2Bpag&bvm=bv.93564037,d.eXY&cad=rja

I don't want to overclock the 980M, I don't think is really necessary now.

Now I just want to ask to the people that had upgraded the GPU from a GT60 or GT70 Ivy Bridge, if the 180W power supply can be a problem.

Thanks Guys!

 

Have you selected Gtx 980m for MSI GT72?

 

Around 8000 with cpu 4700mq it is normal as I used to get this normally.
90C are definitely high and by selecting good thermal paste and applying it right along with good thermal pads should keep ur temps below 80C for all stress testing

 

180 W shouldn't be a problem as I upgraded my 870m to 980m on gt60 dominator series with 180W power supply. No issues and even if u get higher watt power supply due to ec firmware (or BIOS), can't sure, u won't be able to go beyond 180W

 

Thanks FidaGillani!

Now I'm sure to get the GTX 980M!

Do you have thermal problems in your GT60?
What temps do you get?

 

Now, after using Fujipoly thermal pads and Gelid GC Extreme paste, I don't go beyond 76C during long gaming hours. I play BF4 online a lot

 

Update: Finally it's working now Thanks all,


Note: The problem was in the nvidia driver all versions of GTX660M are non-signed drivers, so i just stopped my windows 8 64bit to check the driver signature via advanced boot, and installed last driver from nvidia and its working like an original one without any flash on the vBios or some driver's .inf changes (i tried this without any success).

Conclusion: I 've done a lot of research 3 days or more visiting maybe 100 websites and tried a lot of solutions to make this Dell's nvidia gtx660m gpu work on MSI laptop.

-I 'll resume the right way:
1-I removed the card from the laptop else you'll get a black screen.
2-I flashed my laptop Bios & EC Firmware (MSI GT60 0ND) using iTzZent windows method ( Bios)
3-I putted the card in the laptop and see if the laptop 'll start with it and was OK.
4-When i saw the laptop detects the GPU by the new Bios so i downloaded my GPU Driver.
5-Before install the driver be sure that the driver is Signed (if you've an old card maybe it's driver isn't signed and LAST Windows OS don't allow those drivers by default and there is no option to disable it like before) so you should restart your computer via cmd: shutdown -r -o ,when it restart you 'll see some new options on start, go advanced options and select auto start options (Disable windows to check drivers signatures, just select the number by clicking on it, my case i clicked the 7), the windows 'll restart again normally.
6-I Installed my last card's driver without any changes.
7-Reboot the laptop to check if all done.

It's all, i hope that this post 'll help some peoples later, and be sure there is nothing impossible

 

With 0.5mm thermal pads and high quality paste the 980M should run like a dream

 

yes

 

Got a problem guys. I have a GT60 0NC, had a 3GB 670M, Windows 7.

I bought a 8GB 880M to replace it, and bought the larger heatsink as well. Decided I wanted to keep Win 7 for now.

I updated to the most recent BIOS on the MSI page (.30U) Went fine. Booted into Win 7, ran updates on the OS and from Nvidia Experience. All was working well.

Took the 670M out, put the 880M in, covered all the smaller chips with thermal pads, put a dab of paste over the actual chip, and put the new heatsink on.

Booted up to 640x480 screen, all discolored. BIOS menu and "Starting Windows" screen looked normal, but in the OS was crap.

Got an error saying no Nvidia or ATi chipset was found. Installed new GPU drivers because it only showed as "generic VGA controller" in the device manager.

Now I can't get into Windows. Stay stuck on Starting Windows. I hear the login sound, keyboard light come on. Also, after hard reboot I can't get into safe mode either.

Help?

 

Just put the 670M back in and it's running fine. Pulled up Windows just like before. Like nothing happened.

 

I upgraded my MSI GT70 2OD from the GTX 780M, with a Clevo GTX 980M. My first attempt was a disaster, and I couldn't get the GTX 980M to work, and I tried juist about every alternative method listed in this thread.

What I had to do in the end, was reinstall my GTX 780M, do a fresh W8.1 install, install using the vendor (MSI) drivers, and then when everything was working, whip out the GTX 780M, replace it with the GTX 980M (flashed with MSI bios), and then update the drivers. After that, everything worked.

A little down the line however, I am wanting to update my drivers. Using the Geforce Experience tool, the latest drivers seem to install fine. However, 3d applications which request the dedicated Nvidia GPU, will not start. The screen will go black, as it does when entering fullscreen mode, then nothing, then it will drop back to desktop. I have also tried downloading modded drivers with the inf file hack, but the same thing.

Anyone experienced something similar? If so, any pointers on what the issue is or how it can be resolved?

I have since sold the GTX 780M card, but having witnessed how I relied upon it to get my GTX 980M up and running, I have made an image of the OS install at the point when everything was in pristine working condition, and from the point where my laptop would accept new Nvidia drivers being installed...however, don't really fancy having to do a complete system restore back to that point in time, every single time I fancy updating my Nvidia drivers.

 

In order to fix this, you need to be using the latest MSI system BIOS. I would also recommend just leaving the stock Clevo vBIOS on the 980m. Possibly you may need to use an older Clevo vBIOS build.

 

Your system BIOS is most likely not compatible with the VGA. You need to update to the latest 51X version. I would have opted for the much better and cooler running 970m. The 880m is a POS VGA in my opinion.

 

I can't find a working link to that BIOS. The link earlier I found in this thread didn't work for me.

 

Cheers for the input.

I am using the latest MSI system Bios....it was one of the many things I done when I first upgraded (just over two months ago). I also switched back n forth between the Clevo and the MSI GTX 980M vBioses, but in the end went with the MSI one...can't remember if there was a logical reason for that although to be fair, it did *seem* as though everything was working.

Anyhow, I have indeed reverted back to restoring my OS install from a System Image.......

.........and have the exact same problem.

I am beginning to wonder if there is an issue in general with the last two certified Nvidia drivers (350.xx and 352.xx) and the GTX 980M. Could get both to install, but couldn't get either to work. I did however get the 347.88 to work, which I downloaded from MSI's GT72 downloads section (I disabled digital signature for installation). And come to think of it, twas the 347.88s that I did have installed and working well before I went back to 'ground zero' just then.

I may experiment a bit with flashing VBios back to Clevo and seeing if I can get modded more updated drivers installed......

 

Hello MustangDJP!

I'm planing to update my GT60 to a GTX 980M.
So I've talked to Svet, he gave me the links below to update my system to new cards work properly.

BIOS [ https://www.dropbox.com/s/gsxp4rj7mkifm3u/E16F3IMS.51X.rar?dl=0]
EC FW [ https://www.dropbox.com/s/16tshqoeic5m32c/16F3.T18.rar?dl=0]

These links are active.
Give them a try, I've already flashed my system with this BIOS ans EC FW, my system is working perfectly.

Good luck!

 

What is EC FW?

 

The EC FW is the Embedded Controller Firmware.
It controls Fan curves, power limits and other stuff from the motherboard.

You should flash both on your GT60.

I believe that after flashing them you will be able to start your PC without that weird issues.
I also would recommend you to fully uninstall nVidia drivers before swapping your GPUs.

There's other thing, after a lot of research I get the feeling from other users here that Ive Brigdes can be painful to install new GPUs, probably you are gonna need modded drivers, other point to completely remove old nVidia drivers.

Keep trying!
I bet you will succeed.

 

I highly recommend not doing that! You are running Windows 7 and if you wish to keep your operating system, you need to run the current bios that you have installed. The reason you haven't located the 50X bios is that you are selecting the Windows 7 operating system. As I stated in our PM, you must attempt to uninstall the previous driver and attempt to install the driver I provided you in the PM before you update your bios to 50X. You have the ONC correct? The most recent bios available for your specific PC is the 30U for windows 7 and the 50X for windows 8. The 51X is not listed as a bios that is compatible with your system.

These are the bioses for Windows 8
http://www.msi.com/support/nb/GT60-0NC.html#down-bios&Win8 64

These are the bioses for Windows 7
http://www.msi.com/support/nb/GT60-0NC.html#down-bios&Win7 64

You installed the most recent Windows 7 bios which was the 30U. That is the correct one if you are running windows 7. I have not heard whether the 30U is compatible with the newer GFX cards or not, but you should at least try the driver uninstall and reinstall. I caution you from installing files that people are providing on this forum as you risk bricking your system by installing an incompatible bios on your PC. I urge you to ONLY use bioses that the manufacturer provides unless you are getting directly from a forum member that has been doing this for years and understands the code, like svet, but don't expect that a file that works for one person's computer is going to work with yours. There are SEVERAL different models of the GT60 and each one has there own bios so be very careful...

As far as compatibility is concerned, your computer is loading and showing video, when using a generic driver as in Windows Installs, it is showing normal. That is a good sign. It is probably a driver issue and not a bios issue. Attempt the driver install with the driver I provided for you after uninstalling the previous driver and see what happens first. Then try and download the most recent 880M driver from the Nvidia website only after it is running smoothly. If it won't install I have a simple guide that allows you to add your device ID to the driver file for future installs and it takes about 5 minutes.

 

Verdammte Scheiße!

Ya know what, I thought that I had updated the bios...but it turns out that I hadn't! (I had updated the EC firmware only)

I have now updated the bios and now everything is spot on.

I was an idiot, but now I am healed.

 

LOL! I was seriously wondering how it worked for all of us and somehow your system was "different". Good to know you have it all squared away now and can use normal drivers! Congrats.

 

And I am still trying to figure out that performance issue of 970m on my GT70 ONE

In game it shows 60% usage (50FPS), then usage goes down to 40% (20-25 FPS). CPU is no more than 80%, but on average 60% utilized . While BF3 for instance - is 99% utilization, and 130 FPS.

On MSI forum someone told me that on his GS70 with 970m - he gets 80-100 fps in that game (Black Desert Online).

I've tried to uninstall-reinstall drivers, and vBIOSes. Even to disable hyperthreading on CPU To no avail...

 

My gtx 980m got problem , i dont what happened to it but my computer is going black screen with only mouse narrow. Anything is not working when it happened. I can open only with bootable usb , i am going to old date on my computer. What can be problem ?

 

I have same problem , did you solve it ?

 

I believe he stated a few posts above it was because he thought he had upgraded his BIOS to the latest version, but by mistake actually hadn't.

 

Hi all.

I've bought the rotary tool mentioned in by the OP, but I don't know which tool should I use to dremel the heatsink. These are the tools I've got:

 

Hi Bailante,
My problem is close to yours.
When I tested my gtx 980m by Firestrike i got 7400. I was using the vbios in the first page.
I have tried many vbioses and I found that Prema vbios was good. I got 8200 in Firestrike.
But it makes my GPU reach 90C.
Now I'm using the normal Vbios and the maximum GPU usage is 95% and the FPS 95+ in BF3

 

It has been a while since I last posted... so a small update:
I placed my orders (980m, thermal pad, thermal paste, 880m heatsink) back at early March, 980m arrived early April, as well as the thermal pad and paste but the heatsink never came, so I contacted the seller, seller asked me for my address ... forwarded to ebay's support and they refunded me on the spot.
Take #2 with the 880m heatsink, ordered another from another seller, just got it today, late May, took over a month an a half (six weeks and some change) to get it, and: its all massed up, the seller warped it in bubble wrapper and didn't use a box, besides still have residue of left over thermal paste (just very very slightly) ... its also bent as if a truck went over it: the two extending arms (one leading to the cpu heatsink, the other to the heatspreaders by the fan are almost touching and the one that goes to the cpu is also twisted almost 90 degrees ........ and there are no stock thermal pads (as seen in many other offerings)

on the plus side I only paid $35usd for it... shipping was free but oh boy....

So I am going to try to ehh, fix it, give it proper cleaning with 70% alcohol and twist it right to its original shape

Speaking of heatsink... did anyone ever try modding it? like.... you know how some people \ stores add small copper heatsinks on top of the heatsink's heatpipes? which doesn't do jack tbh...
what if I simply attached another heatpipe on top of the stock one? and by attach I mean weld with proper copper melting power tools (I know a guy...)

or just build a damn heat sink by myself, I know that the math behind building proper heatspreaders (the area by the fan) is super dificult as you need to factor surface area vs air flow and its a mass, but what if I just use something prebuilt? like this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Copp...mm-can-lengthen-shortened-DIY/1309397773.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Copp...gthen-shortened-their-own-DIY/1309414494.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Note...gthen-shortened-DIY-radiator/32261679867.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Purp...2-copper-heat-radiating-fins/32261301712.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/diy-...slotted-copper-heat-sink-fins/1077249667.html

and attach it via any of this heatpipes:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Heat...eral-heatpipe-copper-heat-pipe/997404822.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ipe-heat-pipe-cooling/332520_32261683019.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...adiator-heat-pipe-diy/332520_32261190367.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...adiator-heat-pipe-diy/332520_32261683491.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...adiator-heat-pipe-diy/332520_32261683278.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Flat...-heat-pipe-heat-pipe-cooling/32261174468.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Lapt...-thick-3-mm-10-mm-long-200-mm/1071094296.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-...-length-of-the-whole-network/32261760922.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/6mm-...esearch-has-cooled-LED-brass/32261651851.html
or
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Flat...-heat-pipe-heat-pipe-cooling/32261174468.html


and for the actual gpu base just use some copper sheet, like this one:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-8-mm-Thickness-Red-Copper-Sheet/32331465284.html

and just toss a 0.5mm thermal pad between the two, with the core getting thermal paste instead...


assuming all welding is done in a good manner, considering that im still keeping the same original stock fan, wouldn't going all copper from our half copper half aluminium stock cooler be a major step up?

 

I didnt change bioa version, it was working very well but , after latest driver of gtx 980m , this issued happened. I installed previous drivers (it was working before) but result is same. Again card did same problem. It can give damage to my gtx 980m ?

 

Can anyone upload the stock clevo vbios of the 980m for me, i've got my card work but its temperature is way too hot
I think is most likely because of the clevo vbios i got from premamod
As far as i observed it, when the temp hits 92*C, the core clock kind of throttles there to prevent creating any more heat, and then when it got lower to 91*C, the card continues at max clock, (i didn't overclock or anything, but the temp was kind of high to me)

 

If you are asking if updating your BIOS will damage your card, the answer is no. It will not damage your card.

 

It happens to me when I use prema Vbios.

If you want the stock Vbios you can find one of them in the first page....

Also, there is another on Premamod website which is Here ....Thanks Prema

Moreover, there is a Vbios from MSI Here ... doesn't support Overclocking (Core overclocking) but Memory works fine.

 

Both the stock and unlocked vbios from premamod get me the same heat result, 92C at high load, and MSI vbios wouldn't work for me, tried it before, no msi vbios ever works for me
Just asking if someone can upload their own stock clevo vbios for 980m 8gb
It should be 84.04.22.00.10 or 84.04.22.00.12

 

I could not install another bios. Somebody can help me ? I am doing bootable usb and copied E1762IMS.51X bios folder. When i choose my usb when computer open , but it is not beginning. Windows is opening. What is the wrong?

 

Try this one
it is 84.04.22.00.12 version
Here
Rename the file so you can use it. Like (asd1.rom)

 

Hi.

I responded to your personal message, but it seems that you are having a very different problem from me.

From what I have further read on your problem, are you sure that you updated using the correct bios? There are two bios 'forks' (options) to choose from for the GT70 laptop range. There is the IMS.7xx and the IMS.5xx bioses. You state that you installed a IMS.5xx bios, yet your bios is reported as IG6.7xx !? If you have installed the incorrect bios update for your machine, there is a risk that you could have bricked your machine.

What I would do in your case is get the original bios for your laptop, put it into the root directory of your bootable USB drive, and follow the instructions provided by MSI. In the instructions that I received for my bios update, I was instructed to update the bios via the bios options mode, which you have a screenshot of on the previous page of this thread. The option is something like UEFI Bios Update Tool. You select that, and then select the correct bios file from the USB root directory.

First thing you need to do is get your laptop up n running again....worry about getting the 980M to function later.

 

Hi everyone !

My graphic card is getting old and I was thinking about upgrading it !
I have a Msi GT60 0NC-491XFR ! the specs are :

CPU : i5-3230m(I changed it for a I7-3630qm)
GPU : GTX 670mx

My bios version seems to be :
E16F3IMS.10U 21/01/2013

SMBIOS VERSION : 2.7

I saw this card :

http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30307 (Why is the 970m much less expensive than older card like 680m by the way ?)

Will that card be compatible with my laptop ? From what i understood i have to update my bios before installing the new card, modify my heatsink(Its a first generation cooler booster) and then install moded drivers ?

Thanks

 

Thanks, my card's temps improved now, i got the maximum temps at 87C, how about your card?
Can you provide me with some figures, how is it staying idle, working at high load and its maximum temps before throttling?

 

My maximum temp is 83C but while playing normal games it hit 78C.
The temp when my Notebook idle is 38C.
I think the maximum temp before throttling is 88C but i'm not sure how to calculate it. it depends on Vbioses.

 

Thank you very much , for respond to me.

I had 70x before , my computer motherboard ms 1762 but i cant say exactly , which version of gt 70. Becoz my manufacturer is turkish company. I didnt buy directly msi brand. Anyway everything was working very well with 347.88 driver. After it i received update , it was 350.12. I install it but after it , any game was not opening. I deleted and again install 347.88. It was working good. Than i received 352.86, i installed it but problem was same. Any game is not opening , i installed again 347.88. But my compute installed 352.86 and restart my computer l. It didnt open. Black screen and mouse cursor came. Any button was not working , i could not do anything. I formatted my computer , updated bios to 51x and again i installed 347.88 i thought it will work same before but my thinking was wrong , black screen came again. Now my gtx 980m is not working. What can be problem ? How can i solve it ? I am waiting help to solve it.

 

Thanks, you've been a great help for me, especially with that clevo vbios, i really appreciated it

 

I am running Witcher 3 with stable 60 FPS (under ultra settings) with the following configurations:

-HairFX off,
- Shadows on high,
- Foliage distance high

Cheers

 

Just installed the 980m (had 680m before) on an ms-1762.

temps never pass 40c even in 3dmark 2013 and performance is horrible ~500 points ... that's right 0.5K points in firestrike standard

ehhhhh, repaste with thermal grease despite good temps? any ideas?

GeForce Expriance, gpu-z - all show 980M, msi afterburner / hwmonitor shows temp changing from 37 to 40 during workload, never bellow or above.... not sure what to make of this, perhaps drivers are to blame? (made sure everything run via dediceded gpu, not integrated, also tried running via right click > run with geforce thing)

my vbios version is 84.04.2F.00.79

my bios version is stock .71X (cross flashed from retail, boot logo screen now says that audio thing, wasnt there before, laptop shows up in bios as gt70 / ms 1762 in the line below)

again.... low fps at firestrike standard, heaven 4, heroes of the strom, even with turbo fan ON

 

My pleasure

 

Wow that's very cool
I saw someone with 3x Titan X playing it on ultra and his FPS between 75 to 110.

 

Alright, made some progress, tried installing drivers again but got an error, so did the inf nodding and it installed with success.

[ninja edit: all mentioned scores are total scores, not "graphic scores" - just to clear things up]
With bottom part of the laptop open:
Run firestike again, scored 6,600, max temp 75c with turbo fan on.

Closed the laptop's case:
Run firestrike again,
scored 6,747, max temp 69c with turbo fan on.
scored 6,580, mac temp 80, without turbo fan.
Av was disabled and all other apps closed during the runs.

Any ideas how to improve the score? 6.7k seems low for 980m

Edit:
flashed perma mod v1.1, got 6.5k, did o/c (+167 core, +170 memory) .. scored 7,100 .. not planning to keep the o/c, can anyone link me the msi 980m vbios? would love to give it a spin, btw with this oc max temp was 78c, with the turbo fan on, 9c higher than non-oc temps with fan, and only 500 points higher, not all that impressive.

Notes about the installation:
A little about the PK3 thermal grease: compering this to Arctic Silver 3 (which I have used in the past many many times (more than 100 installations)) this thing might be superior for cooling but it is so much harder to apply properly, it sticks better to a credit card / micro plastic shovel / finger than to the chip or heatsink, meaning that when you try to apply it ... it tends to pick w\e else you placed on the chip / heatsink and just "jump" to you, leaving the chip/heatsink free of thermal grease, which is surprisingly annoying and hard to work around, like, at one point you will have 90% of the surface of the thing covered (chip) and you will want to spread it a little further ... so you will attempt and find out now half the grease that you had spread is over your tool instead of your chip... gah
I guess this actually helps the grease achieve its cooling: it spreads so thin that the heat have less volume to penetrate ... but oh boy... totally not fun to work with.

The infamous 0.5mm thermal pads of high rating (forgot name of brand and unites of measurements - it has been a long day) but if you read this post's many pages you know which one, that "extreme" thermal pad thing... well, again, it might be awesome for cooling but it sucks to use so bad:
its super hard to get the front transparent plastic wrap of it
if you "play" with it too much (or just a very little) it just falls apart and turns to crumbs, as if its too dry
its almost not sticky at all, the damn thing would never stay in place, and TBH I have no idea if its actually in place now... since when you put down your heatsink you sort of have to push it to the left so that the heatspreader will be in the corner of the laptop's case... that sliding motion might as well push the thermal pad away - no idea, cant see .... so ehhh again, really hard to work with, the falling apart when touched too much, combined with the irremovable plastic it got on it... is just pure pain - but cooling is probably super, 69c degrees during burn test (with turbo fan on) is solid.

Edit 2:
Found MSI's vbios, flashed it, I now no longer require INF mod =), max temp with turbo fan is now 68c (best so far), but score is slightly lower than stock Clevo vbios (6698) .. for now I'll stick with it.

Did also just realize that I was looking at the final score, and not on the graphics score (which in this run was 9612... any chance that all of you 8k'ers are talking graphics score while all of the QQ 6K'ers are talking final score? [god i miss the old days of 3dmark 2001 SE ... only one score to look at :x]

p.s.
That nvflash tool is so handy in figuring out which file is what =)
+ Thank the heavens for SSDs otherwise all the restarts (after each vbios flash) would have taken forever =)


@Talon
For front page:

MSI 1762 (GT70 Ivy Bridge) -- 980m Tested and Working
System BIOS Version: .71x
EC Version: EC 1762EG62.401 by Svet with Patch "Right Ctrl" function to act as "Contents Menu button".
GTX 980m 8GB Clevo (Blue PCB)
Modded INF Nvidia Drivers with either of vBios:
1) 84.04.2F.00.79 (stock Clevo[6.7K@fire strike standard])
2) 84.04.22.00.12 (another clevo[6.6K@fire strike standard])
3) 84.04.22.00.F1 (Perma 1.1 OC - highest performance[7.1K@fire strike standard], highest temps)
Regular Nvidia Drivers with vbios:
84.04.22.00.0A (MSI vbios, lowest score[6.5K@fire strike standard], lowest temps)
Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center x64